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According to survey, “87 percent of Marlins fans feel ‘furious and betrayed’ by the team ownership”

Nov 25, 2012, 1:15 PM EDT

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The Miami Herald took a survey last week of 400 different Marlins season-ticket holders in the hope of getting a feel for how the fanbase is viewing the organization’s latest blatant firesale and that firesale’s primary architect, owner Jeffrey Loria.

You could probably guess without peeking what the results of that survey were going to look like, but they’re troubling to read through nonetheless:

• 87 percent of Marlins fans feel “furious and betrayed’’ by the team ownership.

• 83 percent of Marlins fans have an “unfavorable’’ opinion of Loria.

• 85 percent of Marlins fans feel the trade will benefit the Toronto Blue Jays more than the Marlins.

• 95 percent think the trade was a “firesale,’’ while only 4 percent think the trade intended to make the team better.

• 89 percent feel Loria has a moral obligation to field a good team because the new $515 million stadium was built largely with public funds.

Check out the full article for charts and written reactions from some of the fans that were polled.

“He got us to build him a stadium with taxpayer money,” wrote one season-ticket holder. “He lied to us and is not living up to his promises and he should sell the Marlins. He traded the players worth watching.’’

The Marlins drew only 2.2 million fans this summer, and it’s a safe bet they’ll back near 1.5 million in 2013.

  1. westcoastredbird - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Hey Loria while you’re in swapping mood how about a trade with the Cardinals. Giancarlo Stanton for Lance Lynn, Matt Adams, John Jay, and Seth Blair.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:15 PM

      Good to see Yankee fans don’t have a monopoly on idiotic trades that even the Madden computer wouldn’t allow…

    • gibbyfan - Nov 25, 2012 at 5:45 PM

      I think the cards would pull the trigger on that one —

    • shynessismyelguapo - Nov 25, 2012 at 7:26 PM

      Plausible and logical trade…It was very helpful that you shared this.

      I think I have a better and more plausible suggestion:

      How about Ripper Collins, Whitey Kurowski and Dick Hughes for Stanton?

  2. indaburg - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    The 13% who didn’t feel furious and betrayed reported feeling “nauseous and catatonic.”

    • Old Gator - Nov 25, 2012 at 5:11 PM

      There’s an excellent article in Random Pixels, a local muckraking blog, about all the chicanery that went into the hoodwinking of Macondo and its dimwitted elected officials during the runup to the construction of Macondo Banana Massacre Field:

      • 4d3fect - Nov 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM

        Thanks for the heads up OG

      • 4d3fect - Nov 25, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        and dear Og, that’s nauseating to look at.

      • indaburg - Nov 26, 2012 at 2:17 PM

        Good article. I finally got to finish it today. There are so many shady layers of dirt behind that whole fiasco.

  3. raysfan1 - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    Until 1998, 2.2M would normally have had a team in the top half of MLB in attendance. In1970 (chosen simply because that’s when I started watching baseball) only 1 team drew more than 2.2M fans (the Mets). Interesting how times and expectations change.

    • indaburg - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:51 PM

      That is interesting. Back in the 70’s when baseball was unquestionably the number one sport in the US, baseball didn’t draw as much as today. Kinda goes against that whole “baseball is dying” narrative we hear from the football and basketball folks.

      • kkolchak - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM

        MLB boosted attendance by building new stadiums with countless attractions (read: distractions) to bring in people who really aren’t baseball fans. I’d much rather be in a half-empty stadium of real fans versus a sold out, corporate named stadium full of obnoxious twits arriving in the 4th inning, yapping on their cell phones, and not paying attention to what is happening on the field.

      • indaburg - Nov 25, 2012 at 5:14 PM

        “I’d much rather be in a half-empty stadium of real fans versus a sold-out corporate named stadium full of obnoxious twits arriving in the 4th inning…”

        So that’s why Tropicana Field is only half-full (I’m an optimist). We’re the real fans, the ones who will travel to a far off ghetto section of St. Pete just to watch baseball in an oversized warehouse. No distractions or amenities. Just baseball.

      • paperlions - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        The NL also followed the AL in counting tickets sold as attendance rather than people that pas through the turnstiles. The Marlins probably had only about 1.5 M in actual attendance last year….that would be a little over 18.5K/game….they had plenty of games the last half of the season that looked like there might have been 10K in attendance….if that.

    • anxovies - Nov 26, 2012 at 4:01 PM

      indaburg: Your guys have a great organization from the minors up to the top. It’s too bad the area has never warmed up to them, I really don’t understand it. After years of mediocre Bucs teams you would think they would turn to a winner. Keep up your support.

  4. chill1184 - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:50 PM

    The world smallest violin is playing right now

  5. dondada10 - Nov 25, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Interesting article. I also read somewhere that Loria doesn’t give a single fuck what Marlins fans think.

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 25, 2012 at 6:31 PM

      Yeah really. That smug bastard couldn’t care less. The next picture where he doesn’t look like a condescending dick will be the first.

    • cackalackyank - Nov 25, 2012 at 7:15 PM

      Yes, I heard Jeff’s cardiologist is terrified that his heart will break over these stats. Oh wait…my mistake. Why would a guy without a heart have a cardiologist?

  6. simon94022 - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:07 PM

    @indaburg, the NFL passed baseball in overall popularity and far surpassed it in TV ratings in the late 1960s. That’s what is so stupid about the “baseball is dying” nonsense. Some of us are old enough to remember that this has been a steady theme of hack sportswriters for half a century now.

    Yes, baseball has declined relative to the NFL, which went from nothing to Goliath during the 1960s. But baseball has also grown steadily since then — not just MLB but also minor league and college level. It is a far healthier sport today than any time during the 50s and 60s.

    • indaburg - Nov 25, 2012 at 8:19 PM

      Thank you, simon. Very educational. I honestly didn’t know the NFL was that popular in the 60s and that sportswriters have been feeding us this drivel for 50 years.

  7. cur68 - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:16 PM

    They should poll Expo fans and ask them what THEY think of Loria. Then print the results, with swear words in both languages.

  8. tfbuckfutter - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:22 PM

    They surveyed 400 season ticket holders?

    Wow, it is very rare for 100% of a potential pool to respond to a survey.

    • paperlions - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM

      No, they polled 400 people in south Florida that were baseball fans, 90% of which self-identified as Marlins fans, some respondents were season ticket holders and results to some questions were couched as % of season ticket holders (rather than respondents).

  9. drewsylvania - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    Serious question: How many Marlins fans are there?

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM

      Probably 400,000 or so.

    • cackalackyank - Nov 25, 2012 at 7:17 PM

      A lot less than there were at the start of the 2012 season?

  10. kkolchak - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    “83 percent of Marlins fans have an “unfavorable’’ opinion of Loria.”

    The other 17% were about to answer the question but were distracted by a shiny glint of light.

  11. loge23 - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:33 PM

    As wretched an owner as Loria is, it’s doubtful that anyone in his organization cares less about the Marlin fans – however many they really are. Loria is a wiseguy without the street cred. Knowing he was dealing with one of the most corrupt city governments in the country, he fleeced them for all he could. He doesn’t give a tinkers cuss for the stadium, the team, the sport, or the city. He’s about the bucks and on that account he’s doing fine.
    As for the fans, I mean really? The entire SE-FL is full of fans of other teams – mostly NE ones. The entire Florida MLB effort is a farce. Look at the Rays. This is winning organization and they still can’t draw unless the Red Sox or Yanks are in town. Even Dolphin games have a hard time selling out.
    Maybe the 400 or so season-ticket victims asked care, but not many others do.

    • djpostl - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:19 PM

      “Look at the Rays. This is winning organization and they still can’t draw unless the Red Sox or Yanks are in town.”

      Sadly, this isn’t even always true. Couple years back I was in town on business when the Yankees were playing a nationally televised game versus Rays in September.

      Two weeks & change left in season, a game separated them in the standings, Price versus CC.

      17K fans bothered to show up.

    • Old Gator - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:22 PM

      Although lacking any objective yardstick or pool of statistics by which to measure extent of corruption, I won’t argue with your assessment of our fair burgh.

      However, I will take you to task for not understanding two things: (1) that it was the county commission of Macondo even more than the city government that was responsible for plundering the tourist tax which was used to build most of Macondo Banana Massacre Field, and (2) that you focus on the corruption of the city and county governments without once mentioning their incompetence. I submit that the jury remains out on which of these qualifications was most responsible for the popularly undesired existence of our beautiful but benighted facility.

      • umrguy42 - Nov 25, 2012 at 10:24 PM

        OG, how’s that saying go? “Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity”?

  12. alexb64 - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    The other 17% were angry to learn that baseball players got paid money instead of with “Bit O’ Honey” candy pieces like “back in their day”.

  13. deltachi8 - Nov 25, 2012 at 2:47 PM

    So that 83% enjoyed losing 92 games last year?

    • tuberippin - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:58 PM

      More than they will enjoy watching a team of league-minimum prospects lose 105-110 games this season…

  14. birdsofprey305 - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Although what ownership did was i understand the move. Whats not being said is that miami’s hispanic company said the games were to far to travel to dolphins stadium. So management catered to the hispanic community and built a stadium near little havana. what happens ? fans still don’t attend games.

    • Old Gator - Nov 25, 2012 at 3:31 PM

      By moving the stadium to downtown Macondo, Scrooge blew off pretty much the team’s entire constituency in northern Broward and all of Palm Beach counties. This was a considerably larger constituency than the Hispanic population of southern Macondo per se.

      But it’s beside the point: the idea that folks in Kendall, Pinecrest, Coral Reef and Homestead, for example, didn’t go to the ballgames because of distance was always a myth anyway – one that the ownership did nothing to discourage, for obvious reasons: it helped them sell the idea of a downtown stadium. Fact is, with the turnpike running right through the heart of south Macondo and depositing fans right at the doorstep of Joeprodolsharklife Stadium, you could get there faster from south county than from many places in mid-county, especially the congested west side.

      Forget the distance myth about Joeprodolsharklife Stadiu. It was a perfectly comfortable and accessible place to see a game. Fans from all over the south Florida conurbation have been apathetic about the Feesh in equal measure, and this has much more to do with the quality of the teams Scrooge and the Chihuahua have been putting on the field, and with the palpable contempt with which they have treated fans.

      • kalinedrive - Nov 27, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        I agree that the football stadium is much more conveniently located, but it was a horrible place to watch a baseball game. The enormity of the bowl just makes it feel like a football stadium no matter how the field is configured. The seats aren’t angled properly because baseball isn’t played in a rectangle. Of course, the availability of good infield box seats which are aligned along the basepaths mitigates the sight line shortcomings of the seats further away from home plate, but you still can’t escape the looming upper decks all around you and the complete lack of baseball atmosphere. I plan to make my first trip to the new ballpark at the end of next season when the Tigers come to town. I’m sure there will be plenty of good seats available then, also.

  15. yankeepunk3000 - Nov 25, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    400 ticketholders? its nice that every fan in Miami became a ticket holder….good job guys

  16. edelmanfanclub - Nov 25, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    87% felt betrayed. 13% expected it

  17. sbmcintosh36 - Nov 25, 2012 at 4:54 PM

    While i agree Loria is a douche of epic proportions the so called Marlins fans have no one to blame but themselves yes they built a beautiful stadium unfortunately no one came to see it so what did they expect to happen???
    Maybe if they spent more time at the games than calling Lebatard they’d realize that the 92 loss steaming pile of crap on the field needed to be blown up

  18. richyballgame - Nov 25, 2012 at 6:08 PM

    Honestly,the deal simply isn’t good for baseball in general. It’s a staunch reminder of how badly some fans distrust the franchises they love to watch play. In all honesty, Bud should force Loria to re-structure the season ticket holder’s deals,or allow a back-out clause for them.

  19. sportsnut101 - Nov 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM

    Why are u marlin fans mad the team sucked last yr with overpriced players

    So they got nice young talent back n will still be active in free agency

    • thebadguyswon - Nov 25, 2012 at 7:08 PM

      English is your friend.

  20. canadabaseball - Nov 27, 2012 at 1:09 AM

    He’s know fu@ked over 2 cites Montreal and Miami
    Just get out of the league and in both cases the city he has moved to had lower attendance there first seasons in there new location.
    Bud I beg you to get this guy out let him buy a nba team if he wants just stay out of the MLB!

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