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	<title>Comments on: Marvin Miller: 1917-2012</title>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/marvin-miller-1917-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-404727</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simon&#039;s comment above stated &quot;film stars,&quot; and to that is what I was responding; so no, I do not mean those that you mention.  

As for those you mention, yes, I would basically equate independent league/single A players to those 98% of SAG members you mention, who dream of one day being a star.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon&#8217;s comment above stated &#8220;film stars,&#8221; and to that is what I was responding; so no, I do not mean those that you mention.  </p>
<p>As for those you mention, yes, I would basically equate independent league/single A players to those 98% of SAG members you mention, who dream of one day being a star.</p>
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		<title>By: badintent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[badintent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You mean the 98 % of the Screen Actors Guild  that make less than 25 K a year ?? Or the 10,000 Lounge Lizard crooners that play for tips ? Of the MLB AA players that make $30 K a year ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean the 98 % of the Screen Actors Guild  that make less than 25 K a year ?? Or the 10,000 Lounge Lizard crooners that play for tips ? Of the MLB AA players that make $30 K a year ?</p>
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		<title>By: protius</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[protius]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t Marvin Miller involved with some shady New York politician in a scandal over a few thousand cases of untaxed scotch during the mid-1950&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Marvin Miller involved with some shady New York politician in a scandal over a few thousand cases of untaxed scotch during the mid-1950&#8242;s?</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/marvin-miller-1917-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-403961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 2012 WS had horrible ratings because it was an awful series.  It was a four game sweep, and only one was at all competitive.  Only Giants fans could love that clunker.

Are you blaming Marvin Miller because the Tigers bats suddenly went cold, and Tigers pitchers couldn&#039;t get outs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2012 WS had horrible ratings because it was an awful series.  It was a four game sweep, and only one was at all competitive.  Only Giants fans could love that clunker.</p>
<p>Are you blaming Marvin Miller because the Tigers bats suddenly went cold, and Tigers pitchers couldn&#8217;t get outs?</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paid like doctors and lawyers?  The MLB minimum wage in 1966 was $6000, about the equivalent of $43000 in today&#039;s dollars.  That&#039;s less than the US median income--then and now.  $6000 was about what auto mechanics made on average in the 1960&#039;s.  Average income for a surgeon in 1960 was about $50000 by the way.  

Also, why shouldn&#039;t entertainers like baseball players make the same amount of money as other entertainers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paid like doctors and lawyers?  The MLB minimum wage in 1966 was $6000, about the equivalent of $43000 in today&#8217;s dollars.  That&#8217;s less than the US median income&#8211;then and now.  $6000 was about what auto mechanics made on average in the 1960&#8242;s.  Average income for a surgeon in 1960 was about $50000 by the way.  </p>
<p>Also, why shouldn&#8217;t entertainers like baseball players make the same amount of money as other entertainers?</p>
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		<title>By: ww2chas</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/marvin-miller-1917-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-403913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ww2chas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Mr. Miller, you have to take a loan out to go to a baseball game!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Mr. Miller, you have to take a loan out to go to a baseball game!</p>
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		<title>By: franklb</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/marvin-miller-1917-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-403871</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 23:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The one thing I think the owners are missing, and I haven&#039;t seen anyone comment on, is the tremendously increased value of major league franchises since Marvin Miller came on the scene.  Think about what The Boss paid for the Yankees in 1973 ($10 million, or $8.8 million if you don&#039;t count the parking lots), and think about what the franchise is worth now ($1.85 billion, according to Forbes).  Go ahead and whine about player salaries if you&#039;re an owner, but there is a non-trivial correlation between payroll size and franchise value.

As a fan, I am not amused at what I have to pay to get in to some ballparks.  I have the option to vote with my feet, and just stay away.  If I choose not to do that, then I shouldn&#039;t be whining, either.  If the prices are too high, then don&#039;t go to the games, and don&#039;t buy the merchandise (the licensing value in that stuff is even more shocking than the ticket prices, by the way).  Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the show.

One other point.  The only thing dumber than an owner writing a Tom Hicks sized check to A-Rod is an A-Rod declining to cash the check.  None of us would turn down big money if it were offered to us, especially when our career could end tomorrow.

RIP, Mr. Miller.  And thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I think the owners are missing, and I haven&#8217;t seen anyone comment on, is the tremendously increased value of major league franchises since Marvin Miller came on the scene.  Think about what The Boss paid for the Yankees in 1973 ($10 million, or $8.8 million if you don&#8217;t count the parking lots), and think about what the franchise is worth now ($1.85 billion, according to Forbes).  Go ahead and whine about player salaries if you&#8217;re an owner, but there is a non-trivial correlation between payroll size and franchise value.</p>
<p>As a fan, I am not amused at what I have to pay to get in to some ballparks.  I have the option to vote with my feet, and just stay away.  If I choose not to do that, then I shouldn&#8217;t be whining, either.  If the prices are too high, then don&#8217;t go to the games, and don&#8217;t buy the merchandise (the licensing value in that stuff is even more shocking than the ticket prices, by the way).  Otherwise, sit back and enjoy the show.</p>
<p>One other point.  The only thing dumber than an owner writing a Tom Hicks sized check to A-Rod is an A-Rod declining to cash the check.  None of us would turn down big money if it were offered to us, especially when our career could end tomorrow.</p>
<p>RIP, Mr. Miller.  And thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: chaz016y75u43</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 22:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[missed my point, both Rose and Jackson goods things that should put them in the hall and bad things that should prevent them from going.  My opinion is that Miller did some very good things and things that ended up being not so good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>missed my point, both Rose and Jackson goods things that should put them in the hall and bad things that should prevent them from going.  My opinion is that Miller did some very good things and things that ended up being not so good.</p>
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		<title>By: shynessismyelguapo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shynessismyelguapo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing like being a crybaby while disparaging &quot;overpaid crybaby millionaire players&quot;.

Also, Pete Rose and Joe Jackson bet on baseball, Marvin Miller never did.  Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson were players, Marvin Miller wasn&#039;t.  In summary, there are at least two *major* differences preventing any comparison between Pete Rose/Joe Jackson and Marvin Miller.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing like being a crybaby while disparaging &#8220;overpaid crybaby millionaire players&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, Pete Rose and Joe Jackson bet on baseball, Marvin Miller never did.  Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson were players, Marvin Miller wasn&#8217;t.  In summary, there are at least two *major* differences preventing any comparison between Pete Rose/Joe Jackson and Marvin Miller.</p>
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		<title>By: scotttheskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scotttheskeptic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Historiophiliac, sorry the question was intended for Simon.  Hopefully this makes the point a little more clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historiophiliac, sorry the question was intended for Simon.  Hopefully this makes the point a little more clear.</p>
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		<title>By: chaz016y75u43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chaz016y75u43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Miller did have a big influence on the game of baseball and getting rid of the reserve clause was a good thing but because of what he did and due to the popularity of this game (and other major league sports) where huge the amounts of money being made from television, cable, licensing of brands in addition to overinflated prices to actually attend games ended up producing a bunch of overpaid crybaby millionaire players and going to games out the price range of a lot of modestly incomed baseball (and other sports)fans.  So I think it went from one extreme, before free agency, to the other and now is a game for the elite (players and game attendees).  Miller&#039;s legacy both is good and not so good.  Hall of fame?  Is it for those who have an influence or only a good influence. In Miller&#039;s case I think it&#039;s mixed. So if he is admitted so also should Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson etc. be admitted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Miller did have a big influence on the game of baseball and getting rid of the reserve clause was a good thing but because of what he did and due to the popularity of this game (and other major league sports) where huge the amounts of money being made from television, cable, licensing of brands in addition to overinflated prices to actually attend games ended up producing a bunch of overpaid crybaby millionaire players and going to games out the price range of a lot of modestly incomed baseball (and other sports)fans.  So I think it went from one extreme, before free agency, to the other and now is a game for the elite (players and game attendees).  Miller&#8217;s legacy both is good and not so good.  Hall of fame?  Is it for those who have an influence or only a good influence. In Miller&#8217;s case I think it&#8217;s mixed. So if he is admitted so also should Pete Rose, Shoeless Joe Jackson etc. be admitted.</p>
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		<title>By: jdvalk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdvalk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Florida76, please enlighten us as to what compromise the contraction-threatening ownership was ever offering that who&#039;ve produced this utopia that was there for the taking Dave for Miller.  Also, who can blame Miller if he didn&#039;t buy into the idea if endlessly subsidizing the McClatchys and David Glasses of the world when they were pocketing revenue sharing money for their bottom line for years rather than re-investing in the on-field product.  I&#039;ll take Miller&#039;s approach over that of two-bit relocating owner turned capricious autocrat Bud Selig any day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida76, please enlighten us as to what compromise the contraction-threatening ownership was ever offering that who&#8217;ve produced this utopia that was there for the taking Dave for Miller.  Also, who can blame Miller if he didn&#8217;t buy into the idea if endlessly subsidizing the McClatchys and David Glasses of the world when they were pocketing revenue sharing money for their bottom line for years rather than re-investing in the on-field product.  I&#8217;ll take Miller&#8217;s approach over that of two-bit relocating owner turned capricious autocrat Bud Selig any day.</p>
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		<title>By: jdvalk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdvalk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marvin Miller was the difference maker who managed to dent the unlimited power of the ownership cabal, which we&#039;ve seen through every subsequent pro labor dispute is no mean feat.  RIP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marvin Miller was the difference maker who managed to dent the unlimited power of the ownership cabal, which we&#8217;ve seen through every subsequent pro labor dispute is no mean feat.  RIP.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s true of a lot of museums and historical societies.  Hall of Fame inductions bring easy money though -- boosters love them and they make for eye-catching events.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true of a lot of museums and historical societies.  Hall of Fame inductions bring easy money though &#8212; boosters love them and they make for eye-catching events.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, is this a trick question, because I know the answer and am not sure what your point is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, is this a trick question, because I know the answer and am not sure what your point is.</p>
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		<title>By: scotttheskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scotttheskeptic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you cite any time in American history there were fewer doctors, fewer lawyers, or fewer doctors and lawyers than there were Major League Baseball players?  Talent is a commodity that is worth an equivalent compensation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you cite any time in American history there were fewer doctors, fewer lawyers, or fewer doctors and lawyers than there were Major League Baseball players?  Talent is a commodity that is worth an equivalent compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: scotttheskeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scotttheskeptic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aren&#039;t recipients of the Frick Award recognized with a ceremony in Cooperstown, and inclusion on a plaque in the Hall of Fame?  Agreed that they are not elected to the &quot;Hall of Fame&quot;, they are recognized at that level, and commemorated within the building.  There is an implied inclusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t recipients of the Frick Award recognized with a ceremony in Cooperstown, and inclusion on a plaque in the Hall of Fame?  Agreed that they are not elected to the &#8220;Hall of Fame&#8221;, they are recognized at that level, and commemorated within the building.  There is an implied inclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand this.  It seems like you are suggesting that ballplayers were valueless slugs (with no education and skills) who were lucky and should&#039;ve been happy for what they got.

My grandfather didn&#039;t come from a middle class family that could put him through college.  They didn&#039;t pass out student loans back then like they do today.  He was poor and about all he had going for him was his good throwing arm.  He was fortunate to have the opportunity to play ball and he took it -- but he didn&#039;t just play 7 months a year.  He played in leagues far from home and away from his family for a good part of the year.  He also didn&#039;t have relievers to fall back on.  He threw the whole game -- however long that was -- and even filled in at other positions if the team needed it.  Baseball was his big chance, and when it didn&#039;t work out, he raised 10 kids on a barber&#039;s salary.  Maybe he wasn&#039;t trapped in a burning factory or something, but for guys like him, playing ball was a chance to get out of poverty.  Some of them couldn&#039;t fall back on middle class careers if baseball didn&#039;t work out.  As with today, if they didn&#039;t earn the big bucks in their playing years, they lived (and raised families) on much lower incomes later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand this.  It seems like you are suggesting that ballplayers were valueless slugs (with no education and skills) who were lucky and should&#8217;ve been happy for what they got.</p>
<p>My grandfather didn&#8217;t come from a middle class family that could put him through college.  They didn&#8217;t pass out student loans back then like they do today.  He was poor and about all he had going for him was his good throwing arm.  He was fortunate to have the opportunity to play ball and he took it &#8212; but he didn&#8217;t just play 7 months a year.  He played in leagues far from home and away from his family for a good part of the year.  He also didn&#8217;t have relievers to fall back on.  He threw the whole game &#8212; however long that was &#8212; and even filled in at other positions if the team needed it.  Baseball was his big chance, and when it didn&#8217;t work out, he raised 10 kids on a barber&#8217;s salary.  Maybe he wasn&#8217;t trapped in a burning factory or something, but for guys like him, playing ball was a chance to get out of poverty.  Some of them couldn&#8217;t fall back on middle class careers if baseball didn&#8217;t work out.  As with today, if they didn&#8217;t earn the big bucks in their playing years, they lived (and raised families) on much lower incomes later.</p>
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		<title>By: badintent</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[badintent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said. The owners had a &quot;old boys club&quot; and Miller hated their their &quot;club&quot; snobbery. And lets never confuse Fehr or Hunter with the brilliance  of Miller. My Yankees go Cat Fish and the rest is WS history .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. The owners had a &#8220;old boys club&#8221; and Miller hated their their &#8220;club&#8221; snobbery. And lets never confuse Fehr or Hunter with the brilliance  of Miller. My Yankees go Cat Fish and the rest is WS history .</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Armour</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Armour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Hall of Fame is a wonderful museum and library, neither of which writers ever write about, both of which do a great job of teaching the history of this game.  The list of inductees is all many people care about, but as history it is just a lazy man&#039;s shortcut.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hall of Fame is a wonderful museum and library, neither of which writers ever write about, both of which do a great job of teaching the history of this game.  The list of inductees is all many people care about, but as history it is just a lazy man&#8217;s shortcut.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe Buck gave him a novelty plaque.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Buck gave him a novelty plaque.</p>
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		<title>By: shynessismyelguapo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shynessismyelguapo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;1968, which raised the game’s minimum salary from $6,000 to $10,000&quot;

Couple of interesting points:
1. At $6,000, a player making the league minimum earned *less* than the average US income of $8,200

2. According to an inflation calculator I googled for and will just blindly assume is correct, that means the league minimum before Marvin Miller go it bumped up was the equivalent of $38,000 today.  

Wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1968, which raised the game’s minimum salary from $6,000 to $10,000&#8243;</p>
<p>Couple of interesting points:<br />
1. At $6,000, a player making the league minimum earned *less* than the average US income of $8,200</p>
<p>2. According to an inflation calculator I googled for and will just blindly assume is correct, that means the league minimum before Marvin Miller go it bumped up was the equivalent of $38,000 today.  </p>
<p>Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: simon94022</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[simon94022]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mark Armour -- great point, and I totally agree.  The Hall of Fame is a fun but quirky museum.  It isn&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be the last word on history.  IMHO HOF debates are the most boring topic of baseball discussion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Armour &#8212; great point, and I totally agree.  The Hall of Fame is a fun but quirky museum.  It isn&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t be the last word on history.  IMHO HOF debates are the most boring topic of baseball discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: erikc67</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[erikc67]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone who has followed the history of baseball&#039;s labor battles will take exception to your interpretation. The &quot;compromise with the owners&quot; is as funny as it is ridiculous. The owners had zero interest in compromise; their only goal was to ensure the reserve clause would survive. And competitive integrity? The first full decade of free agency (1980s) featured how many different World Series winners? Ten.

And where&#039;s the correlation between Miller&#039;s contributions and the 2012 TV ratings? Absurd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who has followed the history of baseball&#8217;s labor battles will take exception to your interpretation. The &#8220;compromise with the owners&#8221; is as funny as it is ridiculous. The owners had zero interest in compromise; their only goal was to ensure the reserve clause would survive. And competitive integrity? The first full decade of free agency (1980s) featured how many different World Series winners? Ten.</p>
<p>And where&#8217;s the correlation between Miller&#8217;s contributions and the 2012 TV ratings? Absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: gosport474</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/marvin-miller-1917-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-403614</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gosport474]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks.
But tell that to McCarver.   : )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.<br />
But tell that to McCarver.   : )</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Armour</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Armour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish to the heavens we could talk and write and learn about baseball history without using the Hall of Fame as some sort of prism.  History is not a list.  Miller&#039;s place in baseball history is secure, and it was extraordinary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to the heavens we could talk and write and learn about baseball history without using the Hall of Fame as some sort of prism.  History is not a list.  Miller&#8217;s place in baseball history is secure, and it was extraordinary.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/27/marvin-miller-1917-2012/comment-page-1/#comment-403586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[McCarver was not elected to the HOF and is not a HOFer.  He was given the Ford Frick Award for broadcasters, which doesn&#039;t make him a HOFer...no matter how much broadcasters like to refer to themselves that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCarver was not elected to the HOF and is not a HOFer.  He was given the Ford Frick Award for broadcasters, which doesn&#8217;t make him a HOFer&#8230;no matter how much broadcasters like to refer to themselves that way.</p>
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		<title>By: dasher521</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dasher521]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s sort of like &quot;TIME&quot; magazine&#039;s person of the year, the person who has most influenced the year&#039;s events.  It may not be a &quot;good guy&quot;.  Like him or not Miller had tremendous impact on the game/business of baseball.  Like Leo Durocher, Miller would not be inducted in his life time.  I think Pete Rose falls in that same category.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sort of like &#8220;TIME&#8221; magazine&#8217;s person of the year, the person who has most influenced the year&#8217;s events.  It may not be a &#8220;good guy&#8221;.  Like him or not Miller had tremendous impact on the game/business of baseball.  Like Leo Durocher, Miller would not be inducted in his life time.  I think Pete Rose falls in that same category.</p>
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		<title>By: simon94022</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[simon94022]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Free agency has been a net positive for baseball, which is economically booming today to an extent no one could have imagined during the game&#039;s great decline from the early 1950s through the mid-1970s.

But the social justice aspect of Milker&#039;s work has always been overblown.  Even in the reserve rule era, major league players were very well paid.  But they were paid at levels comparable to doctors and lawyers rather than film stars.

These were young guys without education or skills working for 7 months a year playing ball, and earning middle class and upper middle class incomes.  I am glad they achieved free agency, pensions, etc. -- but this was never the story of southern sharecroppers or New York City garment workers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free agency has been a net positive for baseball, which is economically booming today to an extent no one could have imagined during the game&#8217;s great decline from the early 1950s through the mid-1970s.</p>
<p>But the social justice aspect of Milker&#8217;s work has always been overblown.  Even in the reserve rule era, major league players were very well paid.  But they were paid at levels comparable to doctors and lawyers rather than film stars.</p>
<p>These were young guys without education or skills working for 7 months a year playing ball, and earning middle class and upper middle class incomes.  I am glad they achieved free agency, pensions, etc. &#8212; but this was never the story of southern sharecroppers or New York City garment workers.</p>
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		<title>By: pmcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pmcenroe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Miller’s quest for victory overlooked what was better for the players, owners, and fans in the long run.&quot;

Uh what? Baseball is more profitable and popular(in terms of total fans) than it has ever been at any point in its history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Miller’s quest for victory overlooked what was better for the players, owners, and fans in the long run.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh what? Baseball is more profitable and popular(in terms of total fans) than it has ever been at any point in its history.</p>
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