in my opinion, you are spouting nothing more than opinions….

if this is so boring, why do you continue to respond?…..must feel the need to get the last word in to prove you are right…

tell you what….go ahead and reply to this one (i know you will) and i’ll leave it alone….allowing you to “win”….

good luck with that….

i don’t agree with your view on whom is insulting whom…(pretty sure I’ve insulted you and you’ve insulted me. Please dont act like this isn’t the case)

i don’t agree with you on who hijacked this thread…(Who is even saying this??)

i don’t post/debate in a way that meets your “guidelines”…(What guidelines? Asking follow up questions as to how you formed your opinion? Yeah right really strange request on my part, my bad)

in your OPINION all of the above equates to me being stupid and not knowing anything about baseball…..ok got it….(No. You not being able to get simple baseball facts right and being unable to explain your thoughts, prove that you dont know anything about baseball. I’ve asked you to prove otherwise and you refuse so what other conclusion is there? I can’t show up on a blog about thermonuclear dynamics, say something baseless about physics then expect people to think I know what I’m talking about. Its called credibility and as far as baseball knowledge goes and from what you’ve shown in this discussion you have none.)

yet you want me to continue this infantile discussion…(No I don’t, not unless you can actually talk about baseball, you know since this is a baseball blog and all. You’ve probably written close to 4,000 words already and maybe 100 have been about baseball and FRANKly this is getting boring.)

i don’t agree with your view on whom is insulting whom…

i don’t agree with you on who hijacked this thread…

i don’t post/debate in a way that meets your “guidelines”…

in your OPINION all of the above equates to me being stupid and not knowing anything about baseball…..ok got it….

yet you want me to continue this infantile discussion…

are YOU serious?

have a nice day lol

Second your lack of proof IS fact you know little about baseball. To break it down simply, if you can’t pass a math test then you aren’t good at math. You don’t have to be ashamed, but please stop pretending.

Third how are my facts wrong? I got them from the HOF website that I linked to. Unless you are saying that the HOF’s own website got its own facts wrong.

Fourth there is a HUGE difference between players and individuals. But ok let’s say you made a simple mistake and revisit your original thesis.

“personally, there are about 300 players in the baseball hall of fame…..i would say that is probably overstated by 100 or so players who were very good but not hall of fame material in my view”.

Ok so if you were lumping players, umps, executives, etc. altogether, lets pick one and then you can explain whether or not they are HOF material (since apparently you are qualified enough to judge that roughly 100 of them are underserving).

Let’s go with Cum Posey. Feel free to use your opinion however please note you must show some actual semblance of logic and or reasoning for giving that opinion.

yet your FACTS were not correct either…but i must have missed where you admitted that…lol

you sir were the one who has taken this off topic by getting personal…if you cannot see that, i cannot help you…

i stated an opinion to start this thread…you do not agree….you are entitled to that opinion….just as i am mine…but because you do not agree with my opinion, i know nothing about baseball….careful, you can hurt yourself with such a leap…

you are willing to help educate me?….wow…how nice and condescending of you….thanks for the offer, but i think i will pass, no matter how tempting it may be…you think you know more about baseball than me, but that sir is nothing more than your opinion, which you cannot prove….

have a nice day…..lol

But here is the kicker I have shown your posts to be stupid WITH facts. Like remember when you got the # of HOFers wrong and then I linked to the actual website proving it (that literally just happened). And again I would love to prove you wrong about anything else but you keep avoiding it. Please try to bring the topic back to baseball, anything you want, go for it. But I know you will keep avoiding it bc you know you cannot win

pot meet kettle…

game….set…match

Anyways I guess you concede the Piazza argument since after like 30 posts you still haven’t been able to offer even the slightest rebuttal. There is no bullying here, if you say something stupid then it’s going to get called out period (and please lets try not to act like you aren’t tossing around insults). Where have I been getting off topic? Every single post I have been trying to get you to go back on topic and you keep drifting further and further. So yes from your handful of posts I guess I have learned all I need to know about you, in that you know very little about baseball. But by all means try to prove me wrong, step up to the plate and say something meaningful, anything, just please try and use some actual facts and/or logic this time.

from a handful of posts you seem to know all you need to know about me…..again, that says more about you than it does about me…

and please, don’t talk about this getting off topic…you were the one who is trying to make thier personal…

now i am sure your internet bullying is simply an attempt to get me to move on….and honestly, i could care less about these posts and boards (see, i don’t need comments from strangers to make my life complete) and barely come around here….but since you made this so much fun, i think i might just stick around a bit…maybe i can learn something from the super informed posters like yourself…

from a handful of posts you seem to know all you need to know about me…..again, that says more about you than it does about me…

and please, don’t talk about this getting off topic…you were the one who is trying to make thier personal…

now i am sure your internet bullying is simply an attempt to get me to move on….and honestly, i could care less about these posts and boards (see, i don’t need comments from strangers to make my life complete) and barely come around here….but since you made this so much fun, i think i might just stick around a bit…maybe i can learn something from the super informed posters like yourself…

So there are 207 former MLB players, 242 if you count Negro Leaguers(don’t even try to act like you have even the slightest clue as to how to judge the quality of these players), so I’m still not sure how or where you are getting your numbers from. I mean at least this time you tried to get some real information (which I appreciate) but man another swing and a miss.

I will admit to being wrong as soon as you can point to an actual fact of me being wrong.

I call them as I see them and I would have absolutely no issue arguing this with you in person. You are flat out wrong and have nowhere near the knowledge of baseball I or anyone else on this post has and the fact that you are trying to get further and further from your original comment about Piazza proves exactly that.

i will admit i erroneously stated players when i should have said individuals….

doubt i will see you admit to ever being wrong…

your posts say more about you than anything….talk about embarrassing…

looking forward to your next snide insult….something i know you would only do from behind a keyboard…

have a nice day!

personally, there are about 300 players in the baseball hall of fame…..i would say that is probably overstated by 100 or so players who were very good but not hall of fame material in my view….but again, it is only my view which i will not back up with statistics and the like…but not sure that is the rule here….only seems to be the case when the “big dogs” around here deem it so…..haha

not sure i was looking to get people to accept my view….i am pathetic, but not that pathetic that i need strangers on a site to be on my side….lol

You said “piazza?….very good hitter but defense was suspect at best….would not consider him “historic” by any means…none of them would i consider all-time greats (aka elite)…”

Your justification? “all around, i think there is reason for hesitation”

Seriously though, justifiable reason he’s not HOF worthy? “not sure where a person ranks at their position should have any connection to the hall of fame….in my opinion, the hall of fame is for the all time greats….if a player happens to be the xth best at his position, does not automatically make the hall of fame worthy….it might, but does not guarantee it…”

So let’s summarize- how good a person was at their respective position (both bat and glove) should have no bearing on whether or not they are HOF worthy. But you say the ‘all-time greats’ belong in there. How do they get in you ask? One could argue it’s by…oh I don’t know…being one of the best at their position? See that? That’s called LOGIC. Hey, I’ll use one of your fancy definition posts too!

log·ic
/ˈläjik/
Noun: 1.Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity

Based on the definition, I’d say you have no logic to support your opinion whatsoever, making it extremely difficult for anybody to get on board. If you brought something to the table like “Piazza’s D was consistently in the bottom half of the league every year for catchers” or “his bat ranks below X, Y and Z who aren’t in the hall” (which is not the case, but making a point) then it would be easier for people to understand your view. But trying to get by on an argument that holds no ground? Good luck on this site.

As to cur68, since he’s now a mindreader, I hope he can read mine right now, as to what I’m thinking he is.

thanks…but i’ll decide what i want to do and where i want to post…thanks for the “advice” though….

hahaha…what a riot

another keyboard tough guy who is not worth my time…

HAVE A GREAT DAY!

If there’s anything resembling justice, the same thing will happen in the case of professional cheaters Bonds and Clemens.

No HOF induction for people who willingly and cavalierly disgrace their profession — EVER.

They’re cheaters, they’re liars and they lied under oath. Move on to a new hobby.