Skip to content

The Indians to their fans: if you you only care about winning baseball, don’t come out to see us play

Nov 28, 2012, 5:40 PM EDT

Progressive Field

That’s a paraphrase, of course. The actual quote from team President Mark Shapiro goes like this, reports Bruce Hooley of ESPN Cleveland, which I did not know existed until just now:

“If you base your decision to come to the game on whether we win or lose, don’t come. You’re missing out. You’re missing out on what baseball is all about, and I’m fine with that.”

That is Shapiro’s more full followup to what is apparently some sort of minor controversy in Cleveland following his appearance on a local TV. A fan emailed him to ask why they should renew their season tickets for 2013. Shapiro said then, that if all the guy cared about was winning “don’t come.”

I can see why such a position would be controversial — fans have come to expect the old rah-rah and we’re number one stuff from members of their team — but Shapiro is right. The Indians aren’t likely to win a lot next year. Saying so should not be controversial as long as he can demonstrate that the team wants to win and is trying. Personally I’d rather my team’s brass be realistic about the local nine as long as they aren’t resigned.

But more broadly, it’s a sentiment I have agreed with ever since I fell in love with the 1987 Braves, who stunk on ice. Baseball is awesome. Come out and see baseball if you have the time and the means. It’s a lot more fun when your team wins but, jeez, it’s still a lot of damn fun when they don’t.

Latest Posts
  1. The Blue Jays are interested in Jeff Samardzija

    Jul 3, 2015, 3:52 PM EDT

    Jeff Samardzija AP

    Both he and the White Sox have disappointed this year, but he could help a contender.

  2. The Tigers have designated Joba Chamberlain and Tom Gorzelanny for assignment

    Jul 3, 2015, 3:11 PM EDT

    Joba Chamberlain Getty Images

    Chamberlain has posted a 4.09 ERA and an ugly 1.682 WHIP in 30 appearances this year. Gorzelanny has been even worse.

  3. Travis Ishikawa designated for assignment by the Giants. Again.

    Jul 3, 2015, 2:05 PM EDT

    travis ishikawa getty Getty Images

    He’s only had six plate appearances since being recalled in late June.

  4. Yovani Gallardo extended his scoreless innings streak to 29 and a third

    Jul 3, 2015, 9:11 AM EDT

    Yovani Gallardo Getty Images

    He has a 2.56 ERA and a 72/31 K/BB ratio over 102 innings on the season.

  5. The Braves get a walkoff win against Max Scherzer

    Jul 3, 2015, 8:30 AM EDT

    Cameron Maybin Getty Images

    He wasn’t hit hard, but the Braves hit ’em where they weren’t.

  6. Settling the Scores: Thursday’s results

    Jul 3, 2015, 6:38 AM EDT

    Scott Kazmir Getty Images

    Scott Kazmir dominated the Mariners last night.

  7. Dodgers designate Brandon League for assignment

    Jul 2, 2015, 11:28 PM EDT

    LOS ANGELES, CA - APRIL 08:  Pitcher Brandon League #43 of the Los Angeles Dodgers looks on during the game against the San Diego Padres at Dodger Stadium on April 8, 2015 in Los Angeles, California.  (Photo by Lisa Blumenfeld/Getty Images) Getty Images

    League hasn’t pitched in the majors this season due to a shoulder injury.

  8. Reds GM Walt Jocketty says he’s not trading Todd Frazier

    Jul 2, 2015, 10:39 PM EDT

    PITTSBURGH, PA - JUNE 25:  Todd Frazier #21 of the Cincinnati Reds on deck in the seventh inning during the game against the Pittsburgh Pirates at PNC Park on June 25, 2015 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Justin K. Aller/Getty Images) Getty Images

    The Reds are expected to be sellers, but GM Walt Jocketty said Thursday that third baseman Todd Frazier isn’t going anywhere.

  9. Matt Boyd pulled from start after failing to record an out against the Red Sox

    Jul 2, 2015, 9:23 PM EDT

    TORONTO, CANADA - JULY 2: Matt Boyd #46 of the Toronto Blue Jays reacts after giving up a three-run home run in the first inning during MLB game action to David Ortiz #34 of the Boston Red Sox on July 2, 2015 at Rogers Centre in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Photo by Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images) Getty Images

    After pitching into the seventh inning in his major league debut against the Rangers last Saturday, Blue Jays left-hander Matt Boyd failed to record an out in his start tonight against the Red Sox.

  10. Freddie Freeman won’t return from wrist injury before All-Star break

    Jul 2, 2015, 8:26 PM EDT

    NEW YORK, NY - JUNE 14:  Freddie Freeman #5 of the Atlanta Braves in action against the New York Mets at Citi Field on June 14, 2015 in the Flushing neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York City. The Mets defeated the Braves 10-8.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images) Getty Images

    Freeman hopes to return right after the All-Star break, but he acknowledges that it’s a “best-case scenario.”

  11. Archie Bradley has no structural damage in shoulder

    Jul 2, 2015, 7:28 PM EDT

    Archie Bradley Archie Bradley

    Bradley has been out for a month with right shoulder tendinitis.

  12. Cardinals place Jon Jay on disabled list with nagging wrist injury

    Jul 2, 2015, 6:31 PM EDT

    cD05ODdlNmNhY2MwMjRlZWQzNTJhM2ViYTQ1Y2VlY2YzOCZnPTc3MGY5MjU2OTgyMDlhMTEzNjQwN2M5MDc4NTYyYTMx Getty Images

    Jay has already had one stint on the disabled list this season due to his nagging wrist injury.

  13. The Dodgers sign Trevor Cahill

    Jul 2, 2015, 5:02 PM EDT

    Trevor Cahill AP

    Cahill was designated for assignment by the Braves earlier this month after allowing 23 runs in 26 innings.

  14. Breaking: Cardinals fire their scouting director, likely due to the Astros hacking scandal

    Jul 2, 2015, 4:29 PM EDT

    ST. LOUIS, MO - JUNE 3:  Seats sit empty prior to a game between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Milwaukee Brewers at Busch Stadium on June 3, 2015 in St. Louis, Missouri.  (Photo by Michael Thomas/Getty Images) Getty Images

    The director, Chris Correa, has admitted to hacking into the Astros system.

Top 10 MLB Player Searches
  1. M. Moore (3770)
  2. J. Hamilton (3596)
  3. G. Stanton (3326)
  4. J. Ellsbury (3286)
  5. M. Cain (3215)
  1. H. Ramirez (3128)
  2. M. Sano (2938)
  3. B. Harper (2923)
  4. J. Fernandez (2829)
  5. S. Matz (2631)