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	<title>Comments on: HOF voters: choose Mike Piazza or accuse him of using steroids</title>
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		<title>By: stercuilus65</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 08:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a pure stats perspective Piazza had an OPS .966 with the Dodgers vs .915 with the Mets and an OPS+ of 160 with the Dodgers vs 136 with the Mets so no he wasn&#039;t as productive with the Mets as he was with the Dodgers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a pure stats perspective Piazza had an OPS .966 with the Dodgers vs .915 with the Mets and an OPS+ of 160 with the Dodgers vs 136 with the Mets so no he wasn&#8217;t as productive with the Mets as he was with the Dodgers.</p>
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		<title>By: hisgirlgotburrelled</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hisgirlgotburrelled]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you since you took steroids then you can spot anyone that has? 

In the 5 full seasons before &#039;98 he hit .337/.401/.583 with 167 HR&#039;s and 526 RBI.

Like I said, I don&#039;t have proof he didn&#039;t take steroids. But no one else has proof he did, and your proof is by far the worst.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you since you took steroids then you can spot anyone that has? </p>
<p>In the 5 full seasons before &#8217;98 he hit .337/.401/.583 with 167 HR&#8217;s and 526 RBI.</p>
<p>Like I said, I don&#8217;t have proof he didn&#8217;t take steroids. But no one else has proof he did, and your proof is by far the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: tontoepstein</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tontoepstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What tests???   When he was clobbering home runs, there were no tests.  What are you talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What tests???   When he was clobbering home runs, there were no tests.  What are you talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: tontoepstein</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tontoepstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously, dude, you&#039;re clueless.  He put on 20 pounds of muscle in 1998, &quot;coincidentally&quot; when he was shooting for the largest contract in baseball.

I&#039;m an old dude, I took steroids in the 70s, before Ben Johnson, before anybody even knew what a steroid was or what human growth hormone was.  This was back when Muscle and Fitness magazine was nothing like it is now.  They actually used to print recommended steroid cycles in the magazine.  Really.  

To me it&#039;s like spotting a toupee, I know it when I see it.  Piazza is as guilty as sin.  

If you want to live in the clouds, that&#039;s up to you, but you&#039;re wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, dude, you&#8217;re clueless.  He put on 20 pounds of muscle in 1998, &#8220;coincidentally&#8221; when he was shooting for the largest contract in baseball.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an old dude, I took steroids in the 70s, before Ben Johnson, before anybody even knew what a steroid was or what human growth hormone was.  This was back when Muscle and Fitness magazine was nothing like it is now.  They actually used to print recommended steroid cycles in the magazine.  Really.  </p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s like spotting a toupee, I know it when I see it.  Piazza is as guilty as sin.  </p>
<p>If you want to live in the clouds, that&#8217;s up to you, but you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: tontoepstein</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/01/hof-voters-choose-mike-piazza-or-accuse-him-of-using-steroids/comment-page-1/#comment-406189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tontoepstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you delusional, or what.  Some of these comments slay me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you delusional, or what.  Some of these comments slay me.</p>
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		<title>By: albertmn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[albertmn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, Glenn, even if he used PEDs, how would that have made him hit .308 with a .377 OBP for his career?  I would see an argument for PEDs based on the power.  But, even if he hadn&#039;t hit for power, a catcher with that BA and OBP would have lasted a long time in MLB, and would have potential to be a HOF even without a few extra HRs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Glenn, even if he used PEDs, how would that have made him hit .308 with a .377 OBP for his career?  I would see an argument for PEDs based on the power.  But, even if he hadn&#8217;t hit for power, a catcher with that BA and OBP would have lasted a long time in MLB, and would have potential to be a HOF even without a few extra HRs.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He even threw in the Craig Biggio had teammates who cheated, so he must be a cheater too non sequitur.  Nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He even threw in the Craig Biggio had teammates who cheated, so he must be a cheater too non sequitur.  Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewstenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matthewstenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you asked for baseless accusations, and Pat Caputo of the Morning Sun has obliged.  With a Craig Biggio accusation thrown in for fun:

http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20121201/SPORTS03/121209975/caputo-hall-of-fame-votes-for-ped-users-not-going-to-happen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you asked for baseless accusations, and Pat Caputo of the Morning Sun has obliged.  With a Craig Biggio accusation thrown in for fun:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20121201/SPORTS03/121209975/caputo-hall-of-fame-votes-for-ped-users-not-going-to-happen" rel="nofollow">http://www.themorningsun.com/article/20121201/SPORTS03/121209975/caputo-hall-of-fame-votes-for-ped-users-not-going-to-happen</a></p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 06:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whether or not Mike Piazza is gay is of no concern to you or any HOF voter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not Mike Piazza is gay is of no concern to you or any HOF voter.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 06:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, apparently, is, uh...subtlety. I guess he didn&#039;t get the scratch marks comment either. Ah well. If not for idiots, we&#039;d have to do our own manual labor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, apparently, is, uh&#8230;subtlety. I guess he didn&#8217;t get the scratch marks comment either. Ah well. If not for idiots, we&#8217;d have to do our own manual labor.</p>
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		<title>By: cltjump</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cltjump]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 03:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarcasm is lost on you, my friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarcasm is lost on you, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: 78mu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[78mu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 02:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the HOF voters are going to eliminate admitted or highly suspected steroid users and then eliminate guys that looked like they used steroids and players whispered about using we&#039;ll be left with skinny middle infielders that had trouble hitting their weight. 

Is it to late to vote Ray Oyler into the HOF? How about Fernando Vina? Whoops, forget Vina. I guess we&#039;ll have to look forward to Oyler and Dal Maxville to give their induction speeches.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the HOF voters are going to eliminate admitted or highly suspected steroid users and then eliminate guys that looked like they used steroids and players whispered about using we&#8217;ll be left with skinny middle infielders that had trouble hitting their weight. </p>
<p>Is it to late to vote Ray Oyler into the HOF? How about Fernando Vina? Whoops, forget Vina. I guess we&#8217;ll have to look forward to Oyler and Dal Maxville to give their induction speeches.</p>
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		<title>By: hisgirlgotburrelled</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hisgirlgotburrelled]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 02:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pretty ignorant; you have zero knowledge of what you&#039;re talking about. First of all, how many players when they&#039;re 18 are &quot;natuarl hall of famers?&quot;  Second, he was hitting monster homeruns in high school.  Maybe he wasn&#039;t great enough to get drafted out of high school, but he was very good. I am not at all saying no one has hard evidence of him taking steroids so that means he didn&#039;t.  But like some other ignorant guy who commented in the last article about Mike Piazza that Frank Thomas was skinny when he was 19, it is flat out wrong to say he didn&#039;t turn into a strong hitter until he got to the majors and started juicing. Everyone natually grows, especially when you are on a weight lifting and nutritional program like in college and the pros. Just saying someone is guilty of taking steroids solely based on being a late draft pick and muscle growth is ridiculous... For a bit of info of what he did do in high school.
http://voices.yahoo.com/mike-piazzas-high-school-baseball-number-retired-11287832.html
A co-worker was on the same team and my pitching coach in high school faced him several times. The stories I&#039;ve heard are of monster homeruns, not that they couldn&#039;t believe what he turned into.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty ignorant; you have zero knowledge of what you&#8217;re talking about. First of all, how many players when they&#8217;re 18 are &#8220;natuarl hall of famers?&#8221;  Second, he was hitting monster homeruns in high school.  Maybe he wasn&#8217;t great enough to get drafted out of high school, but he was very good. I am not at all saying no one has hard evidence of him taking steroids so that means he didn&#8217;t.  But like some other ignorant guy who commented in the last article about Mike Piazza that Frank Thomas was skinny when he was 19, it is flat out wrong to say he didn&#8217;t turn into a strong hitter until he got to the majors and started juicing. Everyone natually grows, especially when you are on a weight lifting and nutritional program like in college and the pros. Just saying someone is guilty of taking steroids solely based on being a late draft pick and muscle growth is ridiculous&#8230; For a bit of info of what he did do in high school.<br />
<a href="http://voices.yahoo.com/mike-piazzas-high-school-baseball-number-retired-11287832.html" rel="nofollow">http://voices.yahoo.com/mike-piazzas-high-school-baseball-number-retired-11287832.html</a><br />
A co-worker was on the same team and my pitching coach in high school faced him several times. The stories I&#8217;ve heard are of monster homeruns, not that they couldn&#8217;t believe what he turned into.</p>
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		<title>By: butchhuskey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[butchhuskey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 00:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no excuse for not voting Piazza and Bagwell into the hall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no excuse for not voting Piazza and Bagwell into the hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 23:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Through college, Mike Piazza pretty much showed little (relative) talent.  He was drafted late as a favor to his father, a friend of Tommy Lasorda.  Otherwise, he would not have been drafted at all.  I suppose it is possible that he was a really, really late bloomer, but that seems a lot less likely than his using PEDs.  There is a big difference between filling out or gaining a little weight and going from a non-prospect to an all-time great.

Do I really know if Mike Piazza used PEDs?  No I don&#039;t.  I just won&#039;t be surprised when it comes out.  I personally know that one Hall of Fame candidate used steroids.  He is in the same category as Piazza in that he is a suspect but was never caught.  He may get in, he may not, but I know that he was a PED user and would not be a hall of famer without them.

I really hate all of this stuff.  I have no idea how I would vote on most of the guys from this era.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Through college, Mike Piazza pretty much showed little (relative) talent.  He was drafted late as a favor to his father, a friend of Tommy Lasorda.  Otherwise, he would not have been drafted at all.  I suppose it is possible that he was a really, really late bloomer, but that seems a lot less likely than his using PEDs.  There is a big difference between filling out or gaining a little weight and going from a non-prospect to an all-time great.</p>
<p>Do I really know if Mike Piazza used PEDs?  No I don&#8217;t.  I just won&#8217;t be surprised when it comes out.  I personally know that one Hall of Fame candidate used steroids.  He is in the same category as Piazza in that he is a suspect but was never caught.  He may get in, he may not, but I know that he was a PED user and would not be a hall of famer without them.</p>
<p>I really hate all of this stuff.  I have no idea how I would vote on most of the guys from this era.</p>
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		<title>By: kappy32</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kappy32]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right, my bad. I inexcusably confused the two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, my bad. I inexcusably confused the two.</p>
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		<title>By: mazblast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mazblast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had Bagwell put up those numbers in a major media market, he&#039;d be in already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had Bagwell put up those numbers in a major media market, he&#8217;d be in already.</p>
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		<title>By: mazblast</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mazblast]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t recall anyone not in New England or Chicago saying Fisk was the greatest offensive catcher ever.  IMO that honor belongs or belonged to Johnny Bench.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall anyone not in New England or Chicago saying Fisk was the greatest offensive catcher ever.  IMO that honor belongs or belonged to Johnny Bench.</p>
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		<title>By: crazimitch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[crazimitch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 20:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you know why most of you are average in your lives? Why you complain about how the rich don&#039;t pay enough taxes and why your wives are fat or dumb or both?  These things happen to you for two reasons.  The first is because you&#039;re dumb, maybe not 80 IQ dumb, but not smart enough to avoid being run over by the smart people around you.  The second reason, which is highly correletad to the first, is because you are incapable of taking circumstantial evidence and turning it into a rational point of view.  You think you need a &#039;100% proven test&#039;  or video or else there is no &#039;proof&#039; or you need a smart person near you to tell you how to think.  
However, as i write this,I&#039;m conflicted.  I don&#039;t want you to find Jesus and actually make it diificult to take you&#039;re lunch money,  of course i know better, that won&#039;t ever happen.  You&#039;re dumb, your wife rides a scooter when you day trip to Disney, I&#039;ll be taking you lunch money forever.  Grow up, some players use Peds, some don&#039;t.  Stop worrying about who uses and worry about if your sport cares too liitle or too much about removing it from the game, then do what you can to change it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know why most of you are average in your lives? Why you complain about how the rich don&#8217;t pay enough taxes and why your wives are fat or dumb or both?  These things happen to you for two reasons.  The first is because you&#8217;re dumb, maybe not 80 IQ dumb, but not smart enough to avoid being run over by the smart people around you.  The second reason, which is highly correletad to the first, is because you are incapable of taking circumstantial evidence and turning it into a rational point of view.  You think you need a &#8217;100% proven test&#8217;  or video or else there is no &#8216;proof&#8217; or you need a smart person near you to tell you how to think.<br />
However, as i write this,I&#8217;m conflicted.  I don&#8217;t want you to find Jesus and actually make it diificult to take you&#8217;re lunch money,  of course i know better, that won&#8217;t ever happen.  You&#8217;re dumb, your wife rides a scooter when you day trip to Disney, I&#8217;ll be taking you lunch money forever.  Grow up, some players use Peds, some don&#8217;t.  Stop worrying about who uses and worry about if your sport cares too liitle or too much about removing it from the game, then do what you can to change it.</p>
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		<title>By: jl9830</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that&#039;s right.]]></description>
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		<title>By: jl9830</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jl9830]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, back acne is evidence of PED usage now? I guess 100% of teenage boys are juicing. Ever attribute that to being in a sweaty locker room all the time, rather than injecting steroids into his butt?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, back acne is evidence of PED usage now? I guess 100% of teenage boys are juicing. Ever attribute that to being in a sweaty locker room all the time, rather than injecting steroids into his butt?</p>
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		<title>By: jeffa43</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you watch Bagwell play? Every douchebag with a computer and keyboard thinks that makes him a smart sportswriter.

On D He took away the sac bunt for the first 10 years of his career.
It&#039;s those things that you almost never see today.

1st to 3rd he was one of the best. You can ask opposing coaches if you want proof.
(btw your proof of his use, its not as good as the proof of Bigfoot)

Why did he walk over 100 times a year... He was feared!
Why was he feared, because he won games with his bat, routinely.

Don&#039;t throw out bs about being a few hits short. There are intangibles that make that up and then some.

Greatest Astro ever, Biggio will say if not for Bagwell he is not what he became.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you watch Bagwell play? Every douchebag with a computer and keyboard thinks that makes him a smart sportswriter.</p>
<p>On D He took away the sac bunt for the first 10 years of his career.<br />
It&#8217;s those things that you almost never see today.</p>
<p>1st to 3rd he was one of the best. You can ask opposing coaches if you want proof.<br />
(btw your proof of his use, its not as good as the proof of Bigfoot)</p>
<p>Why did he walk over 100 times a year&#8230; He was feared!<br />
Why was he feared, because he won games with his bat, routinely.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t throw out bs about being a few hits short. There are intangibles that make that up and then some.</p>
<p>Greatest Astro ever, Biggio will say if not for Bagwell he is not what he became.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure who you are replying to, jeffa43.  Lumpyf called him a cheater.  I called lumpyf on that because he has not a shred of evidence to back that up.  You seem to think I was replying to you, and also misread what I posted, whereas I actually agree with you.  Bagwell belongs in the HoF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure who you are replying to, jeffa43.  Lumpyf called him a cheater.  I called lumpyf on that because he has not a shred of evidence to back that up.  You seem to think I was replying to you, and also misread what I posted, whereas I actually agree with you.  Bagwell belongs in the HoF.</p>
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		<title>By: genericcommenter</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I graduated from high school I was 5&#039;9, 170 lbs. When I was 20, I was 6&#039;, 200. When, I was 30..well I put on some ( mostly bad) weight.

I also had back acne.. I still have a little bit at 32. I have never used steroids.

If I look at pictures from every male I know, including those in my family that I know have never used steroids, EVERYONE&#039;S Body changed significantly from 18 to 25 and later, including facial and body thickening.

There are a few guys who are freaks of nature and never change. I also recall some classmates who had growth spurts around 13 and towered over everyone else but never grew again. Most of them are bald borderline-midgets now ( when you are a shapeless 5&#039; 13 year-old the 5&#039;8 guys with muscle-tone and beards look like giants).

I guess all these guys ( I wont even get into girls- ask a 30 year old woman to show you her high school pics. You won&#039;t believe it&#039;s the same person) who don&#039;t recognize that bodies change well into adulthood are either chicken-legged &quot;hard gainers&quot; whose bodies never grew or guys whose body parts stopped growing in Jr. high. Or most likely, they just lack any awareness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I graduated from high school I was 5&#8217;9, 170 lbs. When I was 20, I was 6&#8242;, 200. When, I was 30..well I put on some ( mostly bad) weight.</p>
<p>I also had back acne.. I still have a little bit at 32. I have never used steroids.</p>
<p>If I look at pictures from every male I know, including those in my family that I know have never used steroids, EVERYONE&#8217;S Body changed significantly from 18 to 25 and later, including facial and body thickening.</p>
<p>There are a few guys who are freaks of nature and never change. I also recall some classmates who had growth spurts around 13 and towered over everyone else but never grew again. Most of them are bald borderline-midgets now ( when you are a shapeless 5&#8242; 13 year-old the 5&#8217;8 guys with muscle-tone and beards look like giants).</p>
<p>I guess all these guys ( I wont even get into girls- ask a 30 year old woman to show you her high school pics. You won&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s the same person) who don&#8217;t recognize that bodies change well into adulthood are either chicken-legged &#8220;hard gainers&#8221; whose bodies never grew or guys whose body parts stopped growing in Jr. high. Or most likely, they just lack any awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffa43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeffa43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Bagwell was 3 points shy of 300 &amp; 50 bombs short of 500.

So your stupid arguement is, if he had 3 more hits per year, and 4 more home runs per year, then he is in?

I am sure if he used roids he would have reached that and be ok in your eyes.

You sound like a very uneducated fan, that writes like fox reports news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Bagwell was 3 points shy of 300 &amp; 50 bombs short of 500.</p>
<p>So your stupid arguement is, if he had 3 more hits per year, and 4 more home runs per year, then he is in?</p>
<p>I am sure if he used roids he would have reached that and be ok in your eyes.</p>
<p>You sound like a very uneducated fan, that writes like fox reports news.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anyone that prejudiced really needs to explain how homosexuality even affects baseball, let alone disqualifies someone from being in the HoF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone that prejudiced really needs to explain how homosexuality even affects baseball, let alone disqualifies someone from being in the HoF.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.  So many people that rail against steroids but not against the PEDs (or other methods of cheating) of their childhood heros or &quot;legends&quot; of the game seem to like the nostalgia of baseball, but not baseball itself....so stop watching baseball and go re-watch the Ken Burns documentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  So many people that rail against steroids but not against the PEDs (or other methods of cheating) of their childhood heros or &#8220;legends&#8221; of the game seem to like the nostalgia of baseball, but not baseball itself&#8230;.so stop watching baseball and go re-watch the Ken Burns documentary.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes.  I get so tired of people who immediately think anyone who has a good season, good career, or even just long career must be using steroids.  At some level they must actually hate baseball and should quit following the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  I get so tired of people who immediately think anyone who has a good season, good career, or even just long career must be using steroids.  At some level they must actually hate baseball and should quit following the game.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I wonder if some voters won’t vote for Piazza because he was rumored to be gay too?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If this is true, it&#039;s 100x more offensive than the steroid rumors.  The rest of your comment is awful as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wonder if some voters won’t vote for Piazza because he was rumored to be gay too?</p></blockquote>
<p>If this is true, it&#8217;s 100x more offensive than the steroid rumors.  The rest of your comment is awful as well.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 17:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The evidence against Piazza is the same as it is against Ryan or Ripken, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evidence against Piazza is the same as it is against Ryan or Ripken, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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