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	<title>Comments on: Veteran&#8217;s committee elects Hank O&#8217;Day, Jacob Ruppert, and Deacon White into Hall of Fame</title>
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		<title>By: simon94022</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, O&#039;Day is the man whose bold but technically correct decision to call Fred Merkle out enabled the Cubs to win the 1908 NL pennant.  

Which led to their second, and so far final, world championship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, O&#8217;Day is the man whose bold but technically correct decision to call Fred Merkle out enabled the Cubs to win the 1908 NL pennant.  </p>
<p>Which led to their second, and so far final, world championship.</p>
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		<title>By: natsattack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[natsattack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[O&#039;Day was the Merkle game ump, he probably got some consideration just for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;Day was the Merkle game ump, he probably got some consideration just for that.</p>
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		<title>By: shynessismyelguapo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shynessismyelguapo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God, why do people do this?

&quot;but of all players who played at least 1000 games and logged over half of them at third base, he’s just 23rd in career WAR at 44.2, behind the likes of Toby Harrah and Heinie Groh and Bob Elliott, and well behind guys like Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell and Ken Boyer. If he was actually a catcher most of the time he’d rank better, 12th all-time, but he’d still be behind Gene Tenace and Ted Simmons and not much better than Wally Schang.&quot;

You are clearly comparing his WAR based on players on a 162 game schedule. You add in further that he ranked 10th in pre-1900 players (which is pretty impressive by the way) and say it was a &quot;funky choice&quot;.   You spend a majority of you post making a direct 1 to 1 WAR comparision with people like Buddy Bell Toby Harrah, etc.

Just...come on people.  We&#039;re all wrong sometimes.  It&#039;s okay.  It&#039;s just extraordinarily irritating when someone feels the need to change their argument and claim they didn&#039;t say something they clearly said just to avoid being wrong.  Come on man, that&#039;s what politicians do.  If you can&#039;t display some level of intellectual honesty on an basically anonymous comments section of a sports blog, then where can you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, why do people do this?</p>
<p>&#8220;but of all players who played at least 1000 games and logged over half of them at third base, he’s just 23rd in career WAR at 44.2, behind the likes of Toby Harrah and Heinie Groh and Bob Elliott, and well behind guys like Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell and Ken Boyer. If he was actually a catcher most of the time he’d rank better, 12th all-time, but he’d still be behind Gene Tenace and Ted Simmons and not much better than Wally Schang.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are clearly comparing his WAR based on players on a 162 game schedule. You add in further that he ranked 10th in pre-1900 players (which is pretty impressive by the way) and say it was a &#8220;funky choice&#8221;.   You spend a majority of you post making a direct 1 to 1 WAR comparision with people like Buddy Bell Toby Harrah, etc.</p>
<p>Just&#8230;come on people.  We&#8217;re all wrong sometimes.  It&#8217;s okay.  It&#8217;s just extraordinarily irritating when someone feels the need to change their argument and claim they didn&#8217;t say something they clearly said just to avoid being wrong.  Come on man, that&#8217;s what politicians do.  If you can&#8217;t display some level of intellectual honesty on an basically anonymous comments section of a sports blog, then where can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul White</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope, I didn&#039;t misconstrue it. I even specifically noted where his stands against his peers in the 1800&#039;s. Like I said earlier, he was 10th, which is impressive. The problem is he has peers who ranked higher that were passed over, like Jack Glasscock, who I mentioned. And I find that odd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I didn&#8217;t misconstrue it. I even specifically noted where his stands against his peers in the 1800&#8242;s. Like I said earlier, he was 10th, which is impressive. The problem is he has peers who ranked higher that were passed over, like Jack Glasscock, who I mentioned. And I find that odd.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 18:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be more economical to give * to good ones.

For example, during Ruppert&#039;s entire 25 year tenure of ownership he was part of a cadre that colluded to keep player&#039;s salaries down via the reserve clause and that conspired to ban black ball players from playing in MLB via a &quot;gentleman&#039;s agreement&quot;.

The most egregious steroid user was a saint compared to such men.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be more economical to give * to good ones.</p>
<p>For example, during Ruppert&#8217;s entire 25 year tenure of ownership he was part of a cadre that colluded to keep player&#8217;s salaries down via the reserve clause and that conspired to ban black ball players from playing in MLB via a &#8220;gentleman&#8217;s agreement&#8221;.</p>
<p>The most egregious steroid user was a saint compared to such men.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, I&#039;m kinda surprised this off-season hasn&#039;t already seen a &quot;Best Mustache in MLB&quot; debate on here.  My FB baseball group is already on that.  It&#039;s early in the off-season yet, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I&#8217;m kinda surprised this off-season hasn&#8217;t already seen a &#8220;Best Mustache in MLB&#8221; debate on here.  My FB baseball group is already on that.  It&#8217;s early in the off-season yet, though.</p>
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		<title>By: historiophiliac</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[historiophiliac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, they could totally give the shitty ones an asterisk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, they could totally give the shitty ones an asterisk.</p>
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		<title>By: mkd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mkd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Five years after it retires.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five years after it retires.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meh, I feel like far too many owners/commissioners are in the HOF already....many of which were actually BAD for the game of baseball and for MLB.  There have been precious few owners that were better than the average owner in the way that HOF players are better than average players to make them noteworthy in baseball history.  Contributions of long-time owners can be recognized just fine in the history/museum portion of the building without doing something silly like inducting them into the HOF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, I feel like far too many owners/commissioners are in the HOF already&#8230;.many of which were actually BAD for the game of baseball and for MLB.  There have been precious few owners that were better than the average owner in the way that HOF players are better than average players to make them noteworthy in baseball history.  Contributions of long-time owners can be recognized just fine in the history/museum portion of the building without doing something silly like inducting them into the HOF.</p>
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		<title>By: shynessismyelguapo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shynessismyelguapo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Paul, I think you kind of misconstrued WAR for Deacon White. 

The problem with WAR for 1800&#039;s players is that they didn&#039;t play 144, 154 or 162 games a season.  In fact, Deacon White lead the league in games played in 1873 with 60.   Therefore, a 2.9 WAR in 60 games is actually hella-impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul, I think you kind of misconstrued WAR for Deacon White. </p>
<p>The problem with WAR for 1800&#8242;s players is that they didn&#8217;t play 144, 154 or 162 games a season.  In fact, Deacon White lead the league in games played in 1873 with 60.   Therefore, a 2.9 WAR in 60 games is actually hella-impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: Detroit Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Detroit Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I also thought Dahlen was the cream of this crop among the players.

White was inducted 122 years after he retired.  That&#039;s probably a record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I also thought Dahlen was the cream of this crop among the players.</p>
<p>White was inducted 122 years after he retired.  That&#8217;s probably a record.</p>
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		<title>By: sportsdrenched</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sportsdrenched]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 17:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When is Old Hoss Radbourn&#039;s Twitter account eligible for the HOF?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is Old Hoss Radbourn&#8217;s Twitter account eligible for the HOF?</p>
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		<title>By: pmcenroe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pmcenroe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems even more strange considering Dahlen didn&#039;t make it in]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems even more strange considering Dahlen didn&#8217;t make it in</p>
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		<title>By: Paul White</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard of O&#039;Day, but can&#039;t claim to be an authority on the quality of umpires in the pre-integration era, so I&#039;ll defer to the committee. And Ruppert, of course, deserved to be elected if you believe owners belong in the Hall.

But White sort of baffles me. He was mostly a third baseman, but of all players who played at least 1000 games and logged over half of them at third base, he&#039;s just 23rd in career WAR at 44.2, behind the likes of Toby Harrah and Heinie Groh and Bob Elliott, and well behind guys like Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell and Ken Boyer. If he was actually a catcher most of the time he&#039;d rank better, 12th all-time, but he&#039;d still be behind Gene Tenace and Ted Simmons and not much better than Wally Schang. But that doesn&#039;t matter because he wasn&#039;t primarily a catcher. If you narrow it down to just guys who played before 1900 he&#039;d rank 10th, which is certainly fine, but then why didn&#039;t the committee elect Pebbly Jack Glasscock, who had 59.2 WAR, 4th in that era, in addition to a both a glorious mustache and a kick-ass name?

Just seems like a funky choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard of O&#8217;Day, but can&#8217;t claim to be an authority on the quality of umpires in the pre-integration era, so I&#8217;ll defer to the committee. And Ruppert, of course, deserved to be elected if you believe owners belong in the Hall.</p>
<p>But White sort of baffles me. He was mostly a third baseman, but of all players who played at least 1000 games and logged over half of them at third base, he&#8217;s just 23rd in career WAR at 44.2, behind the likes of Toby Harrah and Heinie Groh and Bob Elliott, and well behind guys like Graig Nettles, Buddy Bell and Ken Boyer. If he was actually a catcher most of the time he&#8217;d rank better, 12th all-time, but he&#8217;d still be behind Gene Tenace and Ted Simmons and not much better than Wally Schang. But that doesn&#8217;t matter because he wasn&#8217;t primarily a catcher. If you narrow it down to just guys who played before 1900 he&#8217;d rank 10th, which is certainly fine, but then why didn&#8217;t the committee elect Pebbly Jack Glasscock, who had 59.2 WAR, 4th in that era, in addition to a both a glorious mustache and a kick-ass name?</p>
<p>Just seems like a funky choice.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruppert was a no-brainer, only question is why it took 73 years after selling the team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruppert was a no-brainer, only question is why it took 73 years after selling the team.</p>
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		<title>By: mybrunoblog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mybrunoblog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fancy myself a pretty knowledgeable guy concerning baseball history and don&#039;t ever recall hearing about Deacon White or Hank O&#039;Day. Ruppert&#039;s story is pretty well known especially to Yankee  fans. These guys died so long ago I wonder if they even have any living descendents to accept their HOF plaques.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fancy myself a pretty knowledgeable guy concerning baseball history and don&#8217;t ever recall hearing about Deacon White or Hank O&#8217;Day. Ruppert&#8217;s story is pretty well known especially to Yankee  fans. These guys died so long ago I wonder if they even have any living descendents to accept their HOF plaques.</p>
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