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The Yankees are willing to trade Curtis Granderson

Dec 4, 2012, 8:33 AM EDT

One of the biggest trades in recent history went down at the Winter Meetings a few years ago. It involved Curtis Granderson. Could we see such a thing happen again this year? Buster Olney says it’s at least possible:

 

I suppose it would provide flexibility. What it wouldn’t do is help the 2013 Yankees, in all likelihood. With A-Rod out, Jeter coming off an injury and Nick Swisher presumably out the door, the Yankees aren’t exactly in the position to me moving offense like Granderson.

I assume any team would listen to most any offer for most any player — listening is free — but it makes little sense for the Yankees to flip Granderson at the moment, even if they seem more focused on reducing payroll than they’ve ever been.

  1. cur68 - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:40 AM

    Yeah, moving Granderson seems like a Loria type move. Not really what the Yankees are about. That “flexibility to do other things”? Some of those things include “score a lot fewer runs and prevent a lot fewer runs”. But, if it happens, then I think the AL Beast just got a little easier . . . unless its Mike Trout coming back the other way. But I think that last is equally unlikely.

    • paperlions - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:51 AM

      Granderson is kind of horrible in CF, just about anyone would be an upgrade over what he done out there defensively the last couple of years.

      • mikhelb - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:01 AM

        And also, is worse than horrible with men on base, specially in high leverage situations, the guy stinks, if it weren’t for his occasional 2-run HRs his stats would tell us how bad he is.

        Sure, people love homeruns, but those are so scarce that even hitting 40 bombs a year won’t help a team if those are hit in non-crucial moments.

        How scarce are homeruns?
        4% of the time Granderson went to bat with men on base, he hit a homerun (once every 21 appearances, or roughly once every 10.7 games), on comparison he struck out 27% of those times and got a hit 20% of the times.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:26 AM

        And also, is worse than horrible with men on base, specially in high leverage situations, the guy stinks, if it weren’t for his occasional 2-run HRs his stats would tell us how bad he is.

        For his career, he hits 10% worse (by OPS) in 2 outs with RISP and 15% worse in “high leverage” situations. That’s not “worse than horrible”.

      • djpostl - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:37 AM

        @mikhelb look at how many freakin 0-2 counts he had this season.

        While you’re at it check out the 1-2 counts.

        The guy just gave all the leverage to pitchers in almost 50% of his at-bats.

        You absolutely can NOT do that and be anywhere near as productive as you should be as a big league hitter.

        And his defense…sheesh. Rarely do stat geeks & old fashioned scouts agree so quickly but they all say the same thing about his defense (primarily due to worst breaks on the ball in the game).

        “Mediocre is being kind”

      • hammyofdoom - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:39 AM

        I dont understand all the thumbs down for this, Granderson is certainly not a good centerfielder. He is lucky in that he’s pretty fast, just seeing him play 20-30 times a year he makes up for so many terrible reads with his speed. That sounds good, but I’ve seen him break in on so many balls that ended up over his head it made me flinch a couple times

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        Part of the problem is that Girardi likes to play the outfielders shallow. It has gotten them all burned at points this season. Not sure why it’s so important to stop a bloop single at the risk of giving up a double or triple. It drives me crazy.

    • hardballtalkusername - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:58 AM

      Granderson is a pretty good player, but not great. His defense in CF is average at best, and his power numbers are greatly influenced by that stadium. His loss could wouldn’t be insurmountable IMO.

      • mikhelb - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:08 AM

        Granderson’s defensive WAR according to Baseball-Reference:

        +1.5 dWAR in 2009 (Det)
        +1.6 dWAR in 2010 (NYY)
        -0.3 dWAR in 2011 (NYY)
        -0.7 dWAR in 2012 (NYY)

        It could be due to the stadium, but I highly doubt it, and he will keep on increasing his K totals and decreasing his AVG/OBP unless he finds a way to fix his issues and increase his baBIP, which has been plunging constantly since 2006-2007 except for 2009 when it was better BUT still on the mediocre side of things… unless he goes to a stadium where he can bat better.

    • cur68 - Dec 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM

      Goodness me. What a crapstorm I have unleashed because I like Granderson. I like his offence and his defence. He’s fun to watch play ball and a decent person by all reports. Oh well: ship him, Yankees! Send him on and get someone else. You’ll regret it.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2012 at 11:59 AM

        I don’t get it either. People seem to be stuck on the “lawl K’s are bad” shtick. Yes the man strikes out, but he also has more raw power than anyone on the team in a position that generally doesn’t have a lot of power.

        I mean, the guy is one year removed from a .262/.364/.552 142 OPS+ season (6.0 oWAR from bref) and people act like he’s a AAA player.

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 5:26 PM

        That’s crazy talk! Everyone knows that offense and defense don’t have any C’s in them!!!

      • historiophiliac - Dec 4, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        I loved Grandy and was sorry when he left the D. But, it has worked out better for us. I’m sad to see he hasn’t played as well since, but you know, he went to the Dark Side.

  2. purnellmeagrejr - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    Maybe they can swap him for AUstin Jackson.

    • historiophiliac - Dec 4, 2012 at 5:57 PM

      No.

  3. irishphilly87 - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:43 AM

    PHILLIES PLEASE GO AFTER HIM, I LOVE HIM. i’d take a trade for Granderson over a trade for Justin Upton and his measly 17 home runs and i’d take him over signing Michael Bourn to a ridiculous contract. Yanks need pitching prospects and we have quite a few down in double AA and single A

    • philsgamer - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:31 AM

      Please no. All indications are that the Phils are intent to give Dominic Brown a legit shot at the starting job in right and they are intent to start with a platoon of Ruf, Mayberry and Nix in left. With so much uncertainty in the corner outfield spots, they need a stud center fielder who can make up for some shortcomings.

    • noodles73 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:34 AM

      We used to have him. His name was Hunter Pence.

  4. mikhelb - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:52 AM

    The Yankees won’t miss Granderson’s production, because while his periferical stats look good (40+ HR, 100+ RBI, 100+ R), once we take a close look we can notice that he is nothing but a 6th, 7th or 8th hitter with a lot of power, and is below average with men on base and RISP, or even mediocre at some point.

    KKKKKurtis Granderson with men on base:

    0.237 AVG / 0.316 OBP / 0.436 SLG, out of 298 opportunities with men on base, he got onboard 94 times (61 H, 30 Walks, 3 HBP), less than 1/3 of the time, and he struck out almost the same amount of times (80 Ks = 26.8%).

    He can easily be replaced, that’s for sure, specially when we take a look at his batting in high and medium leverage situations (that is, how does he do when the team needs him the most?) –> 0.220 AVG / 0.311 OBP / 0.420 SLG

    His WAR probably demonstrates it better, even with his 40+ HR, 100+ RBI and 100+ R, he is only worth 2.7, and that number is low because it takes a hit due to his bad fielding, almost non-existant throw and ineffectiveness with men on base, RISP and high leverage situations.

    • magicrat13 - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:56 AM

      agreed….HR’s and RBI’s are nice….and he is supposedly a great “clubhouse” guy, but he can be replaced and if the yankees do trade him, hopefully they create some more flexibility which they need…

    • ryanrockzzz - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:34 AM

      Yea i’m sure someone like Victorino would be wayyyy better then him over the course of a year. Or Bourne, who couldn’t hit a lick the second half.

      He’s not a great player by any means, but it’s easy to pick apart the weaknesses in any players game. I think the Yankess would be much better keeping him, rather then turning to even weaker players to fill his position.

      • hammyofdoom - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:43 AM

        Well…the problem is Granderson has more weaknesses than he has strengths at this point. Weaknesses: average, on base percentage, fielding, throwing arm, batting with runners in scoring position. Strengths: Power, speed, personality. No joke, am I missing anything?

      • djpostl - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM

        Wrong.

        You keep hm then you have to deal with a contract extension & an agent who is going to say “look at the HRs!”

        Much better off finding some GM who goes “look at the HRs!” and fleecing them best you can in a trade.

        Anyway you break down his splits the guy gets worse as game gets tighter and he goes from a .280+ hitter who nags half his HRs in innings 1-3 to a guy hitting .200 with a K/rate that doubles from innings 4-9.

        Move him while he has value and you avoid having to try to re-sign him at a higher cost than you want or just getting a draft pick for him when he leaves.

    • Jeremy T - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:42 AM

      He’s far from a perfect player, but he still has value. If the Yankees can somehow convince a trading partner that 2010 was the real Grandy, and get that kind of value back, then I’m all for it. But if they’re trading him for prospects and salary relief, then they’re going to have to either make a big free agent splash or admit that it’s a rebuilding year, neither of which seem at all likely.

  5. sfm073 - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:53 AM

    Reducing payroll and providing flexibility? George is turning over in his grave. I understand wanting to reduce payroll, but don’t do it by trading away your best player.

    • Alex K - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:58 AM

      Who said anything about trading Robinson Cano?

      • number42is1 - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:25 AM

        Cano did when he said he wants a ten year deal

      • Alex K - Dec 4, 2012 at 11:02 AM

        I was only responding to the best player part of that comment. Are there really people that don’t think Cano is the best player on the Yankees?

    • djpostl - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:47 AM

      Lol.

      Best player lol.

  6. deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 8:56 AM

    Yeah, we just can’t afford to lose a guy who gets his knees buckled by a fastball down the middle for the first two strikes and then swings wildly at a strike three that is so far outside and down that the catcher has to fall on the ground to catch it. Where would we ever find that kind of production? Oh yeah, from the rest of that over-hyped line up. He’s regressed so badly- I don’t see him getting any better. Even with the “Genius” Kevin Long showing him the ropes.

  7. cackalackyank - Dec 4, 2012 at 9:56 AM

    I am really glad to see there are others that see what I see, and feel NYY should lose Curtis “Windmill” Granderson. I was beginning to think I was crazy. (Well I am but that’s for another time). Depending on what kind of package was received, Cashman might be able to fill a couple of the now MANY holes. Maybe even get a couple items for the farm. If the deal was right he could then sign Ichiro to serve a bridge to Williams or someone else coming up in the system. It is really hard to envision finding someone much worse at hitting with RISP than Granderson.

  8. dieterlaser - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:10 AM

    Trade him, then sign Hamilton perhaps? It’d be a major upgrade, and would allow them to upgrade another area(s) with the return pieces from the trade.

    • deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:19 AM

      Yes, because a guy with a history of drug problems probably wouldn’t run into any problems with the NY night life or driving through the South Bronx to get to work everyday. No thanks.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:32 AM

        Again, they sell alcohol & drugs in any state. If Hamy wants to find it he will. It’s not a location thing.

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM

        They can, but not all states have such easy access to it, bars open 24 hrs, etc…

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM

        Plus, you are not under the same scrutiny in other states. When he’s slumping or doesn’t run out a ball in outfield, he’s not going to have 1,000 reporters asking him about it after the game if he plays somewhere like Cleveland or Tampa. That stress can’t be beneficial in trying to avoid the demons.

      • Jeremy T - Dec 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM

        Or maybe the scrutiny makes him less likely to forget himself and slip up. Stop pretending like you have a complete understanding of how this man thinks.

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 4, 2012 at 5:46 PM

        Or maybe the scrutiny makes him more likely to forget himself and slip up. Stop pretending like you have a complete understanding of how this man thinks.

        See how I did that?

      • Jeremy T - Dec 5, 2012 at 10:00 AM

        I’m not saying it wouldn’t affect him. I’m saying he knows better than you, and it’s ridiculous to presume to know what he would or wouldn’t do in those circumstances. Of course there’s risk, but people are too complex for any outcome to be as inevitable as you seem to think this one is.

    • Jeremy T - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      A few years ago, this would sound like a legitimate plan, but I’m having a hard time seeing this year’s Yankees giving out a multi-year $20m+ deal.

  9. brianbowman16 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:14 AM

    All of you that posted with the super in depth stats need to give credit to baseball-reference.com (or wherever you got the stats). Also, you should probably thank them for making you sound WAY more interesting than you ars

    • seeinred87 - Dec 4, 2012 at 12:13 PM

      APA or MLA style? And do you need a bibliography or will the in-text citations suffice?

  10. uyf1950 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    I can see the Yankees moving Granderson if not this winter before the end of the season. If the Yankees are intent on getting at or below the 2014 luxury tax threshold they can NOT re-sign both Granderson and Cano after this year. And trading Granderson either now or at the trade deadline will certainly net the Yankees more then just letting him walk at the end of the season. Because to be honest even offering him a qualifying offer at the end of 2013 is a risk. If he accepts the Yankees won’t make the threshold.

    I really don’t think it’s a matter of if the Yankees trade Granderson but when. And even with his $15MM salary he could be very appealing to a team now. Because any team that is not in danger of exceeding the Luxury Tax in 2014 could offer him a qualifying offer. If he refuses they would get that draft pick. Just my opinion.

    • djpostl - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:50 AM

      Trade him, shift Gardner to CF, re-sign Ichiro to play RF, platoon Nunez/Dickerson in LF (they each had great numbers vs LHP/RHP last year and bring youth, speed, athleticism.)

      If not comfortable with Nunez in LF (which is oddly enough his best defensive position) or you plan to try and grin and bear it with him at 3B early on make a run at Scott Hairston.

      This team will be fine offensively (in regular season at least) and can live off a deep pitching staff.

      • uyf1950 - Dec 4, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        That’s not going to happen the Yankees aren’t about to go with an outfield that combined 3 players won’t hit 20 HR’s in total. And to be honest Nunez with a glove on in any position scares the daylights out of me.
        It’s far more likely the Yankees would go with Gardner (CF), Ichiro (LF and then someone like Cody Ross (RF). I say like or even Cody Ross who would be affordable and have HR power as well. Just my opinion.

      • djpostl - Dec 4, 2012 at 12:25 PM

        Agreed. That being said, I’d love to see them try the platoon lol. I honestly think if you used them correctly you’d end up with 25+ HRs and a ton of steals out of those two.

      • ezthinking - Dec 4, 2012 at 11:14 AM

        That outfield is worse than the Astros. No way it happens.

      • djpostl - Dec 4, 2012 at 12:23 PM

        It won’t be because of that view point, but rather no GM is going to let themselves get fleeced in a trade for Granderson. They see him for what he has regressed into (and more importantly what he’ll be when he leaves the place with that short porch in right).

        As far as worse than the Astros?

        Nah.

        Ichiro hit .322 in his time in Bronx, Gardner is going to hit .280ish and swipe 50-60 bags if playing everyday and is one of the top 2 or 3 defensive outfielders in the game.

        The true question mark is obviously LF, but then again wasn’t it last season?

  11. jwbiii - Dec 4, 2012 at 11:35 AM

    Isn’t it cute when people say, “Player X sucks! We have to get rid of him! But somebody will give us a whole bunch of good stuff for him!”

  12. pastabelly - Dec 4, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    Cashman is pretty good about identifiying his own players who are on PEDs and then getting rid of them. Just saying.

    • jwbiii - Dec 4, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      If by “getting rid of” you mean “finishing their contracts,” yeah. Who has he actually gotten rid of? The Cardinals got rid of Keith Hernandez because they didn’t want the clubhouse cocaine culture they saw in Kansas City. What have the Yankees done like that?

    • theskinsman - Dec 4, 2012 at 3:45 PM

      LMAO!! Cashman wouldn’t have a team if he ‘identified and got rid of the users’. Please,pastabelly, wait til I swallow the coffee next time, it hurts when it gets snorted out the nose.Remember,steroids cause brittle bones and suspect fractures and injuries….sound familiar,yankee fans?

  13. churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 4, 2012 at 12:15 PM

    Everyone talking about his K’s and BA need to take a step back and realize that this isn’t the time period when Willie Mays, Duke Snider, Joe DiMaggio and other’s roaming CF. Since Granderson has been on the Yanks, here’s where he ranks in numerous stats:

    out of 46 qualified players
    fWAR – 6th
    wRC+ – 7th
    wOBA – 6th

    ISO – 2nd
    BB% – 8th

    Raw totals
    HR – 1st
    RBI – 3rd
    Runs – 1st

    The three who are consistently above him are McCutcheon, Kemp and Hamilton. Two of the three are signed to long term deals and the other is seeking a long term deal much higher than $15M. So if you get rid of granderson, you are going to replace him with a worse player? And this makes sense how?

    • cur68 - Dec 4, 2012 at 12:25 PM

      Yeah well, I’m for it. Anything that makes the Yankees worse HRs, RBIs & runs is alright by this Beaver Lover.

    • ezthinking - Dec 4, 2012 at 1:38 PM

      and then there’s Trout who’s tied up for the next 5 years and probably after next season for the next 10 years by the Angels.

  14. michiganhockey11 - Dec 4, 2012 at 2:41 PM

    I’d love to see Granderson back wearing the old english D. We could really use him too.

  15. weaselpuppy - Dec 4, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Cody Ross? One former Toger OF for another? heck, why not go out and get Andres Torres while you are at it….

    we’ll give you Torii Hunter in 2014 at the deadline for a prospect or two as well…

  16. weaselpuppy - Dec 4, 2012 at 2:59 PM

    Cody Ross? One former Tiger OF for another? heck, why not go out and get Andres Torres while you are at it….

    we’ll give you Torii Hunter in 2014 at the deadline for a prospect or two as well…

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