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	<title>Comments on: Michael Bourn-to-Phillies possibility heating up</title>
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		<title>By: recoveringcubsfan</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/michael-bourn-to-phillies-possibility-heating-up/comment-page-1/#comment-408650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[recoveringcubsfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 12:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha ha.  This is the best comment so far from the Phils&#039;s side.  Look: Ruben Amaro (and we must not forget the &quot;Jr.&quot;) is a splashy GM.  He also gives out contracts that, in length and value, are set at whatever limit they need to be to get the player to sign.  I don&#039;t see any evidence that RAJ cares much that he&#039;s paying guys a fortune at the tail-ends of those contracts, despite the fact that they&#039;ll be 35, 36, or 37-years-old by then.  And Phillies fans seem to like RAJ&#039;s business style, and they&#039;ve largely defended it on these boards.  So, it&#039;s a match made in heaven.

Everyone else, maybe, thinks this is a little bit nuts.  The Phillies&#039;s success came about through some big free agency moves, but it also was driven by some legit, home-grown talent coming into its prime.  Now that Utley and Howard are past it, and Rollins is no youngster, it is less certain that they&#039;ll have a great comeback by tossing loads of cash at guys over 30 on the free agent market.  But then, I watch the Nationals so other than the entertainment value of Phils fans telling everyone how brilliant it is, history be damned, to overpay for 30-year-olds who make a living with their legs, I don&#039;t really care.

In the abstract, I do find it a study in contrasts, to balance what the Nats are doing (cheap prospects and a bunch of veterans on 1-year deals) with the Phillies&#039;s more certain, but more pricy, approach.  I think youth will win more games for the Nationals over the next 5 years, but whether they&#039;ll ever rival the Phillies teams (and their giant payrolls) of the last few years is an open question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha.  This is the best comment so far from the Phils&#8217;s side.  Look: Ruben Amaro (and we must not forget the &#8220;Jr.&#8221;) is a splashy GM.  He also gives out contracts that, in length and value, are set at whatever limit they need to be to get the player to sign.  I don&#8217;t see any evidence that RAJ cares much that he&#8217;s paying guys a fortune at the tail-ends of those contracts, despite the fact that they&#8217;ll be 35, 36, or 37-years-old by then.  And Phillies fans seem to like RAJ&#8217;s business style, and they&#8217;ve largely defended it on these boards.  So, it&#8217;s a match made in heaven.</p>
<p>Everyone else, maybe, thinks this is a little bit nuts.  The Phillies&#8217;s success came about through some big free agency moves, but it also was driven by some legit, home-grown talent coming into its prime.  Now that Utley and Howard are past it, and Rollins is no youngster, it is less certain that they&#8217;ll have a great comeback by tossing loads of cash at guys over 30 on the free agent market.  But then, I watch the Nationals so other than the entertainment value of Phils fans telling everyone how brilliant it is, history be damned, to overpay for 30-year-olds who make a living with their legs, I don&#8217;t really care.</p>
<p>In the abstract, I do find it a study in contrasts, to balance what the Nats are doing (cheap prospects and a bunch of veterans on 1-year deals) with the Phillies&#8217;s more certain, but more pricy, approach.  I think youth will win more games for the Nationals over the next 5 years, but whether they&#8217;ll ever rival the Phillies teams (and their giant payrolls) of the last few years is an open question.</p>
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		<title>By: paynejon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paynejon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair thought, although Bourn is still available and suitors are falling by the way side.  The market is dictating that the Bourn and Boras&#039;s asking price for is more than most clubs think is viable.  Boras is positioning Bourn to be this year&#039;s Ryan Madson.  Poor guy...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair thought, although Bourn is still available and suitors are falling by the way side.  The market is dictating that the Bourn and Boras&#8217;s asking price for is more than most clubs think is viable.  Boras is positioning Bourn to be this year&#8217;s Ryan Madson.  Poor guy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: chadjones27</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chadjones27]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So they are going to overpay for a lesser version of Jimmie Rollins. I like the stolen bases and his defense though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they are going to overpay for a lesser version of Jimmie Rollins. I like the stolen bases and his defense though.</p>
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		<title>By: mojosmagic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mojosmagic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Swisher but who plays CF?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Swisher but who plays CF?</p>
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		<title>By: mojosmagic</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/michael-bourn-to-phillies-possibility-heating-up/comment-page-1/#comment-408544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mojosmagic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Victarino got 13M a year so Bourne would have to be worth 20% more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victarino got 13M a year so Bourne would have to be worth 20% more.</p>
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		<title>By: phillytj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillytj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bourn&#039;s a nice player, but how do you give that much money to a speed guy entering his 30&#039;s?.  When he slows down, he loses all value.  I&#039;d rather see the Phils go after a guy like Swisher, who can protect Howard in the middle of the lineup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bourn&#8217;s a nice player, but how do you give that much money to a speed guy entering his 30&#8242;s?.  When he slows down, he loses all value.  I&#8217;d rather see the Phils go after a guy like Swisher, who can protect Howard in the middle of the lineup.</p>
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		<title>By: stlsportsfan84</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stlsportsfan84]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they are going to give him similiar money to Upton (we will have to see on this of course) than signing Upton would&#039;ve made a lot more sense.  That team needs to invest in some younger guys and he&#039;s made for that park.

Still having Bourn is much better than not having him.  It&#039;s not my money and their window is definitely more closed than open. Go for it while you can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are going to give him similiar money to Upton (we will have to see on this of course) than signing Upton would&#8217;ve made a lot more sense.  That team needs to invest in some younger guys and he&#8217;s made for that park.</p>
<p>Still having Bourn is much better than not having him.  It&#8217;s not my money and their window is definitely more closed than open. Go for it while you can.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyfanmatt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyfanmatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I will guarantee this Bourne is not signing with the Phillies or anyone for that matter for only 12 mil a year so we can all forget the pipe dream. He and Boras will want more then what BJ Upton got. So look for Bourne to get at least 16 mil a year IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I will guarantee this Bourne is not signing with the Phillies or anyone for that matter for only 12 mil a year so we can all forget the pipe dream. He and Boras will want more then what BJ Upton got. So look for Bourne to get at least 16 mil a year IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: xmatt0926x</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xmatt0926x]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 01:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And of course no other teams this offseason are giving too much money for too many years, right? If you&#039;ve noticed, it&#039;s kind of what happens with the better free agents. But don&#039;t let that stop your foolish statement based on nothing but your dislike for the Phillies. I&#039;m a Phillies fan and don&#039;t necessarily want them to make this move, but too much money for too long could describe 95% of the moves so far. It&#039;s the price of doing business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course no other teams this offseason are giving too much money for too many years, right? If you&#8217;ve noticed, it&#8217;s kind of what happens with the better free agents. But don&#8217;t let that stop your foolish statement based on nothing but your dislike for the Phillies. I&#8217;m a Phillies fan and don&#8217;t necessarily want them to make this move, but too much money for too long could describe 95% of the moves so far. It&#8217;s the price of doing business.</p>
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		<title>By: 1943mrmojorisin1971</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1943mrmojorisin1971]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s going to be Carl Crawford 2.0, better give him $140 mil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s going to be Carl Crawford 2.0, better give him $140 mil.</p>
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		<title>By: paynejon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paynejon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure Fowler is a worthy pursuit.  Home/road splits are a concern.  

If you think about it, Phillies are paying Rollins $33 mill for 3 years (with a fourth year that vests easily).  Right now, Jimmy is 34 with 2 (3 w/ the option) years left on the deal.  Bourn is going to be 30, which pretty much makes this deal comparable (if less than $12 per is the rate for which he&#039;s signed).  While they play different positions, Jimmy has more pop, while Bourn gets on base a bit more.  They aren&#039;t worlds apart.  Right around $12 mill makes sense.  Not sure if it is the best use of money, but I like the idea of Rollins and Bourn putting pressure on pitchers on the base paths.  Leads to mistakes, which could be taken advantage of by Utley and Howard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure Fowler is a worthy pursuit.  Home/road splits are a concern.  </p>
<p>If you think about it, Phillies are paying Rollins $33 mill for 3 years (with a fourth year that vests easily).  Right now, Jimmy is 34 with 2 (3 w/ the option) years left on the deal.  Bourn is going to be 30, which pretty much makes this deal comparable (if less than $12 per is the rate for which he&#8217;s signed).  While they play different positions, Jimmy has more pop, while Bourn gets on base a bit more.  They aren&#8217;t worlds apart.  Right around $12 mill makes sense.  Not sure if it is the best use of money, but I like the idea of Rollins and Bourn putting pressure on pitchers on the base paths.  Leads to mistakes, which could be taken advantage of by Utley and Howard.</p>
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		<title>By: phillyphreak</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillyphreak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fowler&#039;s got some super crazy home road splits. Coors helps him offensively a lot....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fowler&#8217;s got some super crazy home road splits. Coors helps him offensively a lot&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ncphilliesguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ncphilliesguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ame123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ame123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can live with 5 for $60Mil.  Wouldn&#039;t go past that.  I think Phillies are getting Bourjos for Worley though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can live with 5 for $60Mil.  Wouldn&#8217;t go past that.  I think Phillies are getting Bourjos for Worley though.</p>
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		<title>By: greymares</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greymares]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it&#039;s not mt money but this guy is going to get much more than he&#039;s worth as a PHILLIE FAN i would rather trade for Fowler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s not mt money but this guy is going to get much more than he&#8217;s worth as a PHILLIE FAN i would rather trade for Fowler.</p>
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		<title>By: chc4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chc4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phils will give too much money and too many years to a 30+ yr old player. He&#039;s a perfect fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phils will give too much money and too many years to a 30+ yr old player. He&#8217;s a perfect fit.</p>
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