Comments on: The Hall of Fame case for Tim Raines http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Thu, 20 Jun 2013 05:21:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: shynessismyelguapo http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-411602 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 18:15:41 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-411602 ” First his career wasn’t long”

He played for 23 years and raked up over 10,000 plate appearances. What on earth are you talking about?

]]> By: ebraiter http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-409717 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 00:07:55 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-409717 I wish Raines got in. But there was also another couple of issues. First his career wasn’t long. Second, he did have a drug problem. Oh he did play second base – but not that good.
He was also popular with the fans and help out off the field as well. Can’t say that for a good chunk of players currently in the HOF.

]]> By: Matthew Pouliot http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408554 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:50:00 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408554 Just to get another Tiger in there, you could stick Darrell Evans at third base. 21 years of a 119 OPS+. 47th all-time in homers, 83rd in RBI, 83rd in runs created, 98th in total bases, 12th in walks.

]]> By: shynessismyelguapo http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408548 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:34:06 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408548 All-Time HOF snub team (off the top of my head, forgive any obvious omissions)

C: Ted Simmons
1B: Jeff Bagwell
2B: Lou Whitaker (with apologies to Bobby Grich)
SS: Alan Trammell
3B: Sal Bando? Graig Nettles? Stan Hack? Ken Boyer?
LF: Tim Raines
CF: Jim Wynn
RF: Dwight Evans

SP: Kevin Brown
SP: Luis Tiant
SP: David Cone
SP: Tommy John

Of course, they all shouldn’t go. But they all do have one thing in common:
They are much more deserving than Jack Morris.

]]> By: raysfan1 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408533 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:52:57 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408533 I see that you and Matthew got things cleared up. We’re good now too from my end.

For the record, I totally agree both Bagwell and Biggio belong in the HoF. So does Rock.

]]> By: Matthew Pouliot http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408286 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:30:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408286 Thanks, Jeff. I think I failed in how I presented the Biggio column. It’s clear the point I was trying to make was easily misinterpreted.

]]> By: derklempner http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408273 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:16:18 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408273 The problem with Matthew’s case of Raines’ great five-year run (disregarding the other HoFers you mentioned) is that he recently posted an article on Sammy Sosa where he stated that although Sosa had one fantastical five-year run where he was basically the most productive power hitter in the game, the rest of his career was pedestrian (like Raines and those other HoFers you mention) and therefore not Hall-worthy.

]]> By: kevinbnyc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408182 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:14:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408182 …that probably 60% of players from his era also belong to.

]]> By: jeffa43 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408180 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:10:36 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408180 Mr. Pouliot… I then stand corrected, and I apologize for my misunderstood comments. Astro fans not only have to watch garbage, but often here that their hero was a fraud.

Bagwell always talked about his respect for the game and never wanting to taint that.

Over sensituve Stros fan. Sincerely apologizing. Guess I need to do a better job of reading.

My bad.

]]> By: weaselpuppy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408151 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:33:51 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408151 B-ref WAR has Raines at 66.2, good for 97th all-time. It has Gwynn at 65.3 wins, 102nd place all-time.

B-Ref WAR Also has Lou Whitaker at 71.4 (more than Jeter btw) and Alan Trammell at 67.1 (the EXACT same as Barry Larkin)…….

]]> By: Matthew Pouliot http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408139 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:19:50 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408139 Last week in my Piazza piece I wrote that Bagwell had let the HOF writers off the hook, giving them an excuse not to vote for him without bringing up steroids because he didn’t hit .300 or 500 home runs. Of course, before I wrote that, I wrote “his body of work leaves him qualified for Cooperstown based on the standards for first basemen.”

And a day later in my Sosa piece I placed Bagwell and Biggio prominently on my (non-existent) ballot.

I had forgotten about that Bagwell piece mrfloydpink linked to, but that goes right to the point of what I was writing in the Piazza piece. Guys like Rogers saying his resume isn’t quite strong enough because he didn’t hit the milestones.

]]> By: jeffa43 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408136 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:14:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408136 In this day of speculation, there is no need for unnecessary innuendos tying Biggio to Roids.

The article Pouliot wrote says in the first sentence says, saying no to Bagwell is easy, but not so with Piazza.

]]> By: Gamera the Brave http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408135 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:12:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408135 Wait, we’re scumbags?!?

Cool now I can perpetrate – wait for it – scumbaggery!
Been waiting to find a use for that word for YEARS!
Thanks, Harry!

]]> By: jeffa43 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408130 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:09:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408130 @ cur86

I don’t even know who Mathews is.. Much less a troll…. I comment on Stros stuff every blue moon..

Just a Astro fan who sticks up for Bags and Biggio.

Astros suck so bad, there is not much to comment on.

]]> By: jeffa43 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408125 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:05:01 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408125 Last week homie! Easy to say no to Bags… But put Piazza in.

Two days later Pouliot followed that as to say Biggio should face the same criticism of Bagwell in regards to roids.

Look it up!

]]> By: richwizl http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408098 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:19:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408098 He was great; if he played for a high-profile team his selection would be an open and shut case.

]]> By: gret9 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408088 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:05:47 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408088 Tim Raines was better that more than half the position players that are in the HOF ALREADY. How can his election lower the bar?

]]> By: dasher521 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408082 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:56:20 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408082 Lowering the bar.

]]> By: digbysellers http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408078 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:46:11 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408078 everyone stop yelling. you’re ruining my birthday.

]]> By: raysfan1 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408067 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:26:43 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408067 @jeffa43–
Try improving your reading skills. Matthew SUPPORTED Bagwells’s candidacy, both in the Bagwell post and the Biggio post. This has been pointed out repeatedly. That you just don’t seem to understand when people are agreeing with you is getting old.

]]> By: jarathen http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408062 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:14:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408062 Except Mike Trout hits homers while patrolling center field… from the stands.

]]> By: cur68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408041 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:47:16 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408041 MrPink, never mind this guy. He’s Mathew’s personal troll. Just ignore his crap.

]]> By: stex52 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408037 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:29:19 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408037 Raines was a fun player to watch. I don’t put a lot of stock in the HOF, one way or another. But it wouldn’t hurt my feelings to see him there. And if he went in with Craig Biggio, all the better.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408019 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:05:33 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408019 so,, your point is? No reason for Raines not to be in, at all.

]]> By: gogigantos http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-408017 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:02:08 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-408017 This got under my skin with Gossage the other day, are “they” all so sure there isn’t a roid case already in The Hall? Isn’t Henderson a likely candidate for that guy? It was several years ago I read about somebody, Bill James?, doing a bit of research on who it might be based on the word of someone saying that there was at least one already in. I don’t care and seriously love me some Ricky. I think they should all be in, Bonds first. Flame away sports fans, but that was the best hitter, one of the best athletes, I ever saw with my own eyes over any period of time.

Raines’ time is past due, the dude was a beast in any age. Do check the site, Raines30.com, if you have any doubt.

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-407994 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:23:09 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-407994 Paul Molitor says hello

]]> By: 6stn http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-407993 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:20:14 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-407993 Yastrzemski had a run of five (1967-1971) great years out of twenty-three. Kaline’s best days were behind him after the age of thirty-two. Both of those guys put up impressive career numbers and had no problem getting into the Hall. Apart from being on world championship teams late in his career, maybe Raines’ early-career substance abuse issues have hurt his chances. Gwynn, Kaline and Yastrzemski also played for only one franchise in their careers, which makes it easier to figure out which cap to put in their plaque. Henderson, of course, played for a different team every week in every city in professional baseball over the last fifteen years of his career, making it easier for every voter to watch him play. Raines deserves the Hall. So does Ted Simmons, who played in the shadow of Johnny Bench from 1970-1980.

]]> By: magicrat13 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-407989 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:10:30 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-407989 “What everyone seems to miss with Raines is when he stole a base he usually was safe”

thank you captain obvious…

]]> By: thehumanfly http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-407987 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 13:07:22 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-407987 Hall of Cocaine

]]> By: dirtyharry1971 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/05/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-tim-raines/comment-page-1/#comment-407976 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:18:09 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=269479#comment-407976 What everyone seems to miss with Raines is when he stole a base he usually was safe. Compare his stole base sucess rate vs Henderson and you will see he was better when it came to sucess. He probably wont get elected this year either but that is not his fault, its just more proof that baseball writers should NOT be doing the voting cause they dont know any better. Case closed scumbags

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