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Phillies acquire Ben Revere from Twins for Vance Worley and Trevor May

Dec 6, 2012, 12:14 PM EDT

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When the Twins traded Denard Span last week the assumption was that they did so in part because Ben Revere was ready to step in as their new center fielder and leadoff man, but now they’ve traded Revere to the Phillies.

Todd Zolecki of broke the news and Jim Salisbury of says the Twins are getting right-hander Vance Worley and pitching prospect Trevor May in return.

Minnesota has an incredible lack of quality pitching throughout the organization and one area where the Twins have good depth is the outfield, where former first-round pick Aaron Hicks could be ready to become the starting center fielder at some point in 2013. Revere is very fast and very good defensively, but he has zero power and a fairly limited overall upside, so if the Twins feel Hicks will be ready soon anyway it makes some sense.

Revere has tremendous range in center field that more than makes up for perhaps the worst arm in baseball and he’s capable of swiping 50 bases at a good clip, but he may never hit an over-the-fence homer and through age 24 he’s hit .278 with a .319 on-base percentage and .323 slugging percentage. For years he’s been compared to Juan Pierre, for better or worse.

Worley missed the final month of the season with an elbow injury that required minor surgery, but when healthy the 24-year-old right-hander has a 3.50 ERA in 278 career innings with a solid strikeout rate of 7.7 per nine frames. Long term Worley is a mid-rotation guy, but on the Twins right now he immediately becomes their best starter. Barring more trades, of course.

May is a 22-year-old former fourth-round pick who spent this year at Double-A, posting a 4.87 ERA while racking up 151 strikeouts in 149 innings. He has control issues, but May was a top-100 prospect coming into the season and has 11.1 strikeouts per nine innings for his pro career. Minnesota wanted young pitching and they definitely got it.

(Note: I also wrote a much lengthier, Twins-centric analysis of the Revere trade.)

  1. Joe - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:22 PM

    This reminds me of last year when the Red Sox traded both Marco Scutaro and Jed Lowrie, making us scratch our heads and wonder who was going to play SS. Certainly not Mike Aviles?

    So, who is the CF in Minnesota now?

    • kopy - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:48 PM

      As a Minneapolis resident who owns his own car and baseball glove, I believe I am the de facto CF until we hear otherwise.

      • Cris E - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:56 PM

        I hope you’re fast. Right now the working plan is to have Willingham and Parmalee in LF and RF. They are too slow to be the worst OF in modern history, but they haev the hands for the job.

      • kopy - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM

        Whoa, whoa, who cares how fast I am? I have grit, hustle, and heart. I also like to get after it and battle my tail off out there. I’m a pro’s pro who plays the game the right way and has a great locker room presence.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:32 PM

        Kopy wins the internet today.

    • jasonwinter - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:12 PM

      Short term: Darin Mastroianni. Put up rate stats essentially identical to Revere last year, was 21 for 24 SB, played CF primarily in the minors. Should at least be able to hold down the fort for a season or so until Hicks is ready.

      • billyboots - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM

        Yuck. I saw The Mastro strike out three or four times at a game this season. Ugh, move WTF moments in Minnesota sports.

      • stangifford - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM

        Andres Torres or Ryan Sweeney on a 1-yr deal could serve as a bridge, too.

      • WhenMattStairsIsKing - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:35 PM

        Billy – getting Worley for Revere is like getting Hamels for Span. I think the Phillies got fleeced, bigtime.

      • phillyreese215 - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:59 PM


        lol, i think your overrating worley a little bit their buddy.

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 6, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        One way to look at it is that Kendrick is now the No. 4 starter.

  2. albertmn - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM

    I understand the Twins need pitching desperately, so hopefully this will work out for both teams. But, as a Twins fan, I kind of hate to see Revere go. He is the first legit base stealing threat they have had in a long time. Won’t miss his weak arm, but they may miss his range. Plus,Ben is just a fun guy to watch play. He plays with unbridled enthusiasm. I predict he becomes a fan favorite in Philly. Best of luck, Ben!

    • buddysguys - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:37 PM

      you’ve been reading one to many Billy Mumphrey stories…..

      • albertmn - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:45 PM

        Sorry, but I have no idea who Billy Mumphrey is, so I don’t know what your reference means.

    • dcfan4life - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

      A guy with zero pop, an awful arm, and only a decent on-base percentage a fan favorite in Philly, not likely.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:06 PM

        Like Juan Pierre? Who quickly became a fan favorite in Philly?

      • cur68 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM

        Juan “The Ophence” Pierre also hit rather well (for Juan Pierre, that is) as a Phillie.

  3. Ben - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

    I guess the question is whether that K rate is sustainable. It’s certainly not supported by his swinging-strike percent and fastball velocity.

    • Ben - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:32 PM

      If I ran the xK formulate correctly, Worley’s expected strikeout rate is more like 12.6% instead of the 18-20% it’s been in the past.

      • schrutebeetfarms - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM

        That’s fine, the Twins organization makes their guys pitch to contact anyway.

  4. crispybasil - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Michael Bourn hates this trade.

  5. illadelphiasphinest - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:35 PM

    Hate to see May go in this deal.
    Phils still need to sign Josh Hamilton imo.

  6. ryanrockzzz - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:40 PM

    Good deal for the both teams. The Phillies needed both defense and base stealing ability from a CF. Revere can provide both, and gives the Phillies a younger player that can hopefully stay at the top of the lineup.

    The Twins get two starters who in my opinion both still have a ton of potential, and could very well get the best of this deal by far. May came into last year as a top prospect with the Phillies, and I know many writers, fans, and club people always raved about him.

    The “Vanimal” is a quality pitcher here in Philly. He gutted it out for the Phillies last year, and could win 10-12 games a year on any team if healthy.

    Good deal.

    • phillyphreak - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:44 PM

      I’d much prefer Worley to Revere. He’s a really good CF but he’s nothing special at all at the plate. As for the top of the lineup:

      Rollins OBP (2010-2012): 0.325
      Revere OBP (2010-2012): 0.319

      • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM

        Agreed. To me, this is huge return for Revere…who looks to be all glove-no hit. Worley should be a mid-rotation horse, and May has upside…if he can find the plate.

      • dennisund - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM

        This is close to Rollins’ career average. This is Revere at age 23-24 while filling in for injured players. His minor league rates are far better.

      • natstowngreg - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM

        Per, the Major League OBPs for 2010-2012 were .325, .321, .319.

      • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM

        Revere’s OBP may go up a little, but he has a skill set that plays up much bigger in the minors. His OBP in the minors was due in large part to high BABIPs that were probably related to his speed and bad defense….defense worse than anything you’ll see in the majors. His MLB OBP probably dropped simply because he was facing better defenders. He doesn’t walk at all, and he doesn’t hit the ball out of the park, so he’ll be entirely a BABIP-driven offensive player who you have to hope gets a lot of infield singles.

  7. kevbarnett - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:42 PM

    Phillies desperately needed a defensive player in CF and they got it. If you have Darin Ruf and Domonic Brown playing the corners they must have a “Kelly Leak” type guy who will run everything down. They also just got their starting CF and leadoff man for the future.

  8. illcomm - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    we got Alex Meyer too. not a bad trade. I give Amaro credit on this one. nats give Meyer for span and we get him.

    • natstowngreg - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM

      Guess that’s why I’m scratching my head a little over this trade. Not from the Twins’ side — looks like they did well. The Nats gave up a high-quality prospect for Span; the Phillies gave up a Major League starter and a good (though control-challenged) prospect for a lower-quality player. Something is not adding up here.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM

        IMO, Vance Worley is J.A. Happ all over again, but add in a volatile personality. He has faced barely any player 3 times, let alone 4 or 5 when teams figure a pitcher out. Add in the injures, plus never played a full year as a starter, and he is a MAJOR question mark moving forward. I think you are over rating him

        Not to mention – if the Phillies needed to count on Vance Worley, they are toast. Little downside for the Phillies, we’ll see how this new kid works out

      • natstowngreg - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM

        I’m looking at the entire trade, not just Worley.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM

        Okay, so then two question marks for a guy with a good glove, weak arm, decent average and good speed.

        I am not jumpoing up and down about this deal, but again – if the Phillies are pitching from those two guys, they are toast. They gave where they had excess, and picked up where they were sorely lacking. And picking up a young player gives them a lot of flexibility if they need to make a mid season move – which they do a lot of

    • illadelphiasphinest - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:15 PM

      Where are you reading the Phils get Meyer?

      • thebadguyswon - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM

        He hasn’t put down the crack pipe yet. Meyer is not part of the deal.

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:38 PM

      • Utley's Hair - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM

        Damn tab button… He misread the info on

  9. chc4 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:52 PM

    All of Bourn’s likely suitors are acquiring other guys to play CF. I’m sure Boras has a plan (he always does) but this is getting interesting.

    • Utley's Hair - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM

      Ask Madson about Scotty’s plans.

      • natstowngreg - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM

        And Edwin Jackson, who got a one-year deal, then fired Boras.

        No doubt, these are pieces of an incredibly clever and far-reaching plan for baseball (if not world) domination. A plan so clever and intricate, we mere mortals can comprehend it. After all, it is beyond the realm of possibility that Boras could fail. Isn’t it?

  10. lroc20 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:57 PM

    Revere stinks. Amaro is no gillick

    • stabonerichard - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:39 PM

      Revere does not stink. And those simply saying he’s fast are selling him short… dude does f*cking somersaults on the base paths.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:48 PM

        Well it WAS against Jeff Francoeur…

  11. hisgirlgotburrelled - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    They must think the 2012 is what Worley really is because this is an awful lot to give up for Ben Revere. Zero offense, OBP of .333, one of the worst arms in the outfield. No one cares about stolen bases when you’ve only got 19 extra base hits. No one’s range in the field is THAT good? Mayberry is a decent enough fielding CF that I’d rather have his bat in the lineup. And at least with Brown I know he has a strong arm and some power.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM

      I agree, they clearly think Worley isn’t the real deal. They thought that about Gavin Floyd and were wrong. They thought that about J.A. Happ, and were correct in spades.

      I think everyone is hoping up and down crazed thinking Revere will be a starter – but I am not not so sure he will be. I don’t think giving up Worley was a bad move. But time will tell

  12. andyreidisthegoat - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Juan pierre > Ben revere

  13. jrs45 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    May who?

  14. xmatt0926x - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:06 PM

    I’m a Phillies fan and I don’t like it. I’m not sold on Worley and who knows what Trevor May will be but even if they never become anything special it means nothing because the Phillies still have not done anything for their offense. Revere adds nothing. Seems like a desperation move by Amaro, again. I’ve said it before on this site. Amaro is an awful GM and his era will be universally looked down upon in 10 to 15 years.

  15. illcomm - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:17 PM


    • thebadguyswon - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:36 PM

      Read the article again. It mentions Meyer only in that Minnesota has already added him this winter. Your reading comprehension skills need some work.

  16. rickhigginshtbro - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:18 PM

    so, we gave up the vanimal for a younger juan pierre? really rube? unless your convinced uncle charlie babbling to this kid will up his obp, pretty sure philly gets screwed here.

  17. ad0330 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    All Philly fans will be amazed at how fast this kid is. Waaay better range than span

    • Ben - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:25 PM

      They’ll also be amazed by his noodle of an arm, which could feasibly turn doubles into inside-the-park homers.

  18. illcomm - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    either I’m tripping or some editor removed it from the article on mlbtraderumors. I first saw it there n now its gone.

    • stabonerichard - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM

      Trippin balls, mang.

  19. mungman69 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM

    Phillies STILL don’t have any outfielders.

  20. ad0330 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    Horrible horrible arm. I think twins fans Arey be bummed because they think Ben is the next coming of Kirby…they r wrong

    • albertmn - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:53 PM

      No one thinks he is the next Kirby. But, that doesn’t mean you can’t like the kid. Nobody is the next Kirby. If you hated every outfielder that wasn’t the next Kirby, you would have a lot of hate.

  21. phillytj - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:59 PM

    Definitely a good trade for the Phils. This guy’s numbers mirror Bourn’s, except Revere is five years younger and much much cheaper. The SP market is decent this year – they can always sign a few solid journeymen to fill the 4th and 5th spots. What they really need now is a power bat. With Revere manning CF and Mayberry/Brown platooning in one of the corners, there’s plenty of room for a Hamilton or Swisher in that OF and especially the lineup!

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:15 PM

      Revere is not at all like Bourne. Revere’s walk rate is far worse and his career high ISO is 0.49…..Bourne’s career low was 0.71. Bourne hits with about twice as much power and walks a lot more.

      • Joe - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:17 PM

        They didn’t get Revere to hit home runs. They got him to cover a lot of ground in CF and add some speed on the base paths. He hit for a decent average last year and his OBP wasn’t horrible. Whatever increase in production you would have gotten from Bourn is far outweighed by the ridiculous amount of money it would have taken to get him.

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM

        I was just pointing out that Revere’s skill set does not mirror that of Bourne as you claimed it did. Yes, he is a better value from a salary perspective, but he still wasn’t free. Worley has pitched well except when he had bone spurs in his elbow. KK is now their #4 starter. And Revere is going to be a BABIP hitter, when he gets a little lucky (2012) his OBP will be fine, when he doesn’t (like in 2011) his OBP will be bad…his production vary a lot from year to year because he doesn’t walk or have any power whatsoever.

      • Joe - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:03 AM

        I didn’t make the claim that Revere’s numbers mirror Bourn’s, although I have seen numbers comparisons (Revere’s to Bourn’s at the same stage of Bourn’s career), and they’re not that far off. I think they’ll be okay with Revere’s offense (or lack thereof) if they get another legit bat (and if Howard and Utley are healthy and relatively productive, and if Brown and/or Ruf can produce, etc.), and I’m assuming that’s the plan since they filled CF on the cheap. If they do nothing else to improve the offense, then yeah, I agree, Revere’s not going to do much to help that situation.

        As for Worley, much as liked him in 2011, I think he’s replaceable.

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2012 at 11:11 AM

        No, you didn’t….the comment I originally responded to did say that word for word, so…again, my comment was only to disabuse that commenter of the notion that Revere = cheaper Bourn, which he does not.

  22. phillies816 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:09 PM

    Great. We just gave up Worley and maybe our best prospect for a young Juan Pierre. Two GOOD young arms and the Phillies outfield STILL SUCKS. Do the GMs get drug tested? I really hope I am wrong but I think the Phillies just got taken.

  23. irishphilly87 - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM

    As a Phillies fan i’m beginning to question Reuben Amaro Jr… he just traded our #4 starter and a top 3 prospect in the organization for Ben Revere????? The guy in 3 years in the Bigs never hit a home run….no pop whatsoever… I’d have rather signed Shane Victorino if i knew we’d get Ben aka Paul Revere. Do they realize that this might be the last year for this window of players Chase and Doc and Lee? Go out and make a splash…this is not a splash at all. Amaro needs absolutely no skill to do what he’s done… he traded top prospects for Lee, traded top prospects for Doc, samething with Oswalt, same thing with Pence…. we could all be a GM and see our list of top prospects and trade them for proven players like that. But hes shown no signs of constructing a roster… the bullpen was otrocious last year, the bench was horrendous…. our outfield as it stands today is below average. in the last 3 years we went from Werth Victorino Pence to now Mayberry Jr, Dom Brown and Ben Revere….um wtf….

    • Joe - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM

      I liked Worley, but he shouldn’t be that hard to replace, and it sounds like May is still a pretty big question mark. Whoever they got to play CF, he wouldn’t have been a home run hitter (except Hamilton, who’s not really a CF anyway). What they did get, it sounds like, is a guy with great range and a great glove, with decent avg and OBP, and excellent speed. And he’s young and cheap, which leaves them with money to make more moves.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:57 PM

        Exactly – reality check fellow Phillies fans. Worley was a HUGE question mark! I like the guy, but he has never picthed a full season, just had surgery, has not faced batters multiple times, and has a high strung personality. Why is everyone acting as through this is 2007 Cole Hamels they just traded? He could well be the real deal, but so far, he has been a question mark.

        Don’t forget Bruce Ruffin and Tyler Green were sure fire things as well

    • philswfc08 - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM

      don’t know much about Revere, but he seems to have some upside at only 24yrs old. plus buy not blowing a ton of money to fill the CF spot, they could potentially add a decent FA still for a corner OF spot.

      also FYI – they never once trotted out a Werth, Victorino, Pence OF. and although JMJ, Revere and Dom Brown looks pretty pathetic right now, there is still time and how would you feel to be on the hook for another 5yrs/90M w/ Werth at 33? or Pence who fields like a High School player.

      this isn’t a supporting vote for RAJ either…he has not impressed and i think they might be able to contend the next year or two IF they can get lucky and remain somewhat healthy, but it could be a long period of losing on the way b/c of RAJ.

  24. snowbirdgothic - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Going into the meetings, RAJ said the Phillies had three holes to fill – 3B, CF and RF – and enough money to fill one of them. Assuming the Young deal goes through, then two of those holes have been “filled” – your mileage may vary on how well – for roughly $6M, presumably leaving enough money to grab Hamilton or make a trade for a Choo to play RF. This, of course, assumes that RAJ is happy with a Kendrick/Cloyd back end to the rotation, which is not necessarily a safe assumption.

  25. joeyashwi - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:20 PM

    Aaron Hicks has good speed and more power than Revere. He would have been playing CF at some point next year anyway. Might as well get something for Revere. I don’t know much about the pitchers we got in the deal but almost anybody is better than what we currently have in the system.

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