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Phillies getting closer to acquiring Michael Young

Dec 6, 2012, 2:12 AM EST

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If this comes together, the Phillies will possess one of the most expensive infields of all-time.

Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports that the Rangers and Phillies are in “advanced talks” about a deal that would send Michael Young and cash to the Phillies for a reliever and a prospect.

The Rangers would cover more than half of the $16 million that Young is due next year in the final season of his five-year, $80 million contract. The 36-year-old Young, who has a full no-trade clause, hit .277/.312/.370 with eight homers and 67 RBI in 611 at-bats last season. He was far better in 2011, batting .338/.380/.474 with 11 homers and 106 RBI in 631 at-bats.

In return, the Rangers would likely get “a young major league reliever,” according to Grant. The guess here is that it would be Justin De Fratus, but Josh Lindblom, Michael Schwimer and Jake Diekman would also qualify. It’s hard to imagine that big right-hander Phillippe Aumont would be involved.

Young would take over as the Phillies’ third baseman, replacing free agent Placido Polanco. The infield of Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins and Young would make a combined $62 million next year.

  1. Ben - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:24 AM

    I’m pretty sure whenever we talk about payroll from here on out in needs to be a new unit of measure, the Feesh, which is valued at about 30 million. So the 2012 Phillies’ infield is 2.06 Feesh.

    • angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:54 AM

      In that case, it would be closer to 2.07 Feesh, no? (2.0666666_)

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:25 AM

      After their most recent trade, isn’t Miami’s projected payroll down to $22M?

      That would be 2.82 F.

      • stex52 - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:00 AM

        Everybody loses the Astros in all of this. Unless they make a big free agent splash soon, they may be around 0.9 Feesh as a team.

      • Ben - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:30 AM

        You’re right, but I think the talk is they’re going to have to get up over 1 Feesh to keep MLB and the MLBPA happy.

    • miketreedy - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM

      Based on how popular they are in Miami these days there may be more players in the Phillies infield than in attendance at the Marlins games.

  2. tuberippin - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:25 AM

    oh god no.

  3. yankeepunk3000 - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:21 AM

    I want the yanks to take a shot at him its only for one year this guy is one of my favs. and he will do a lot better then anything we can put out there probally even A-rod after he comes back…which if we get young then sit a-rod and rest him for next year…come on Yankees!!!! do it!!!

  4. smcgaels1997 - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:26 AM

    Hard to imagine 2-3 years ago this team was feared…now they are just old and expensive

    • irishphilly87 - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:34 AM

      102 wins the year before last year. 97 wins year before that best record in the majors both years. The phillies had a horrible bullpen last year that cost them almost 30 games. Even with this old team u speak of if half those games were wins 81+15 is around 96 wins. We need bullpen arms n a leadoff hitter and ill gurantee u we make rhe playoffs this year you duesche.

      • recoveringcubsfan - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:52 AM

        Do you play historical fantasy baseball, “duesche”? Because that’s the only place I can think of that it would matter how many wins Phillies teams in the past had. The entire league has moved on (and gotten better) while the Phillies have stood pat and aged. You can’t fault them – they have good players, after all, if a tad expensive. But facts are facts, and the Phillies are losing ground in the NL East simply by virtue of the fact that Atlanta and Washington are getting younger, cheaper, and better, and Philadelphia is … the opposite. If they have one more season of total health, they should challenge for the division title. But it’s hard to see how they will be a winning team more often than not in the next decade considering how old their regulars are, how much they’re on the hook to pay them, and how middle of the pack their farm system is. There are much more fearsome teams throughout the NL that are going to be good next year and look to be on the rise for a few more years by virtue of prospects, smart free agency moves, and youth from their MLB regulars. The Phillies had a magical run, but the natural order of things is for them to now decline as others rise. They’ll be back, certainly, but Phillies fans don’t seem to ever want to let anybody else be the top team in the NL and that attitude speaks more to willful ignorance of aging curves, the contracts they’ve already doled out, and the talent pool spread across the NL than anything else.

      • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:29 AM

        If the Phillies system was twice as deep as it is now, it still wouldn’t be middle of the pack.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:56 AM

      Yes, and ancient team that averaged 91.5 wins the last two seasons.

      You better hope for more injuries

  5. dizoakiusmaximus - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:27 AM

    Just from having him on my fantasy team this past year, I say “no”. This guy is awful.

  6. deep64blue - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:38 AM

    Dave Montgomery – please act now and sack Ruben Amaro Jr, seriously this front office is an absolute joke.

  7. kardshark1 - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:03 AM

    It’s hard to believe that this conversation probably took place by people getting paid lots of money to make baseball related decisions.

    Philly FO Exec #1: “You know who we should try to trade for; Michael Young.”

    Philly FO Exec #2: “Yeah right… As if he’d be available.”

    Philly FO Exec #1: “He’s a gamer, he’s gritty, he’s a grinder and plays the game the way it was meant to be played.”

    Philly FO Exec #2: “You forgot he’s a professional hitter, which means he can bat 2nd.”

    Philly FO Exec #1: “Get Nolan Ryan and Daniels on the horn, we need this guy pronto!!!”

    17 Year-Old Intern: “But I read someplace that Young is not very good at stuff involving a baseball.”

    Philly FO Exec #1: “You’ll never make it in this business, kid.”

    FADE OUT:

  8. mungman69 - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:45 AM

    Don’t make this trade.

  9. coryfor3 - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:49 AM

    That’s a lot of guys on the downside of their careers. That’s a great infield if this were 5 years ago. Phillies have never seen a bad investment they aren’t willing to make.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:59 AM

      Right, which is why they signed B.J Upton, Shane Victorino and Josh Hamilton

      • scotttheskeptic - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:13 AM

        Dude, don’t be defensive. This team is old, and getting older by each deal from the front office. The offensive decline is now going into its 4th year, and the defense is declining as expected given the age of the players.

        If this is “win now” mode, than Amaro sucks. And clearly this is “not look ahead, get younger” mode. Really, other than Lee x 2 and overpaying for Papelbon, has Amaro done anything that made you go, “Wow!”? And have those three moves really improved the Phillies, or hampered them?

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:19 AM

        Dude, don’t back down from your own words ;)

        You make troll comments, you are going to get troll responses

        The Phillies have made many great investments, and they have passed on many bad ones. These are facts. Yes, they have no crystal ball, and yes, some high prices players have gotten hurt. So what? Happens to every team.

      • scotttheskeptic - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        I am not a troll. I am a Phillies fan, and season-ticket holder. Your collective comments were defensive in nature, and seemed to overlook the fact that Amaro hasn’t exactly shined. He panicked when he re-signed Rollins; he has failed to address the diminishing offensive production (does anyone else remember the May 2010 series at Citi Field where the Phils were shut out, for the series?). I genuinely believe that he has no plan, and on the current path the Phillies will careen into another decade (or 2) of abject irrelevance. I do not wish to relive the days when only 16,000 came out to watch a Schilling-Maddux match-up.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        My comment intial was a short and direct retort, noting that the Phillies have passed on many “bad investments”. My follow up comment expanded on that.

        Lastly, read a little closer what I wrote – I did not say you are a troll, I have no clue about your posts overall. I said that “never passing a bad investment” was a troll comment (also inaccurate), and even said that my reply back was a troll comment as well.

        Personally, I do not believe the 37-50 start last year was indictive of anything other then a bad confluence of things converging. They have young talent, and they have an ownership group willing to go get new talent

      • scotttheskeptic - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:27 PM

        I didn’t make the “bad investment” comment. We can agree to disagree, and we do. I do not see ownership sustaining a $170 million payroll without selling out CBP regularly. We are at the point where the fans who came aboard in late ’08 are about to get off.

        The start last year was the result of decisions made by a delusional/out-of-touch front office. They should have been aware of Utley’s status, and the prognosis/expectations of Howard were way too optimistic.

        See ya at the Home Opener!

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:53 PM

        You mean WS Game 1!

  10. ryanrockzzz - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:08 AM

    This trade would only be good for the sheer fact there are really no better options. But man, what an old IF they will be throwing out there. They better hope that a stud CF is on the horizon, or this team is just going to be leading the league in DL trips.

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:35 AM

      Except that there are better options. Youk would be a better option, probably more expensive in years, but not AAV. Chavez would have been better and cheaper. Keppinger would have been better and cheaper. MY really is horrible at baseball now.

  11. deepstblu - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:33 AM

    So they fill the hole at third with a guy the fans have at least heard of and who’s only signed for one year. This gives them time to see if Cody Asche develops and lets them send Galvis to AAA to work on his hitting. I don’t think they really want to trade DeFratus, but I could see giving up Lindblom or Schwimer in a deal like this.

    • Francisco (FC) - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:53 AM

      Any solution has to be a stop gap since they have two possible alternatives a year or two away.

  12. darthicarus - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:34 AM

    Just going to say it now, if this deal goes down he’s gotta be the front-runner for 2013 NL MVP.

    • jrbdmb - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:20 PM

      Maybe, if this was 2007. Instead this is 2012 going on 2013 and MY is a shell of his former self.

      Remember this is the same FO who thought they could bring back Thome and actually play him at 1st base. How did that work out?

  13. phillies816 - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:41 AM

    Much like the GM of the Phillies I think Young has very little to offer at this point. If Ruben Amaro makes this deal then he is truly the nitwit everyone feared he was. This team is old and in need of some youth and Amaro is going for someone older or just as old as the rest of the team. That ballpark is turning into a nursing home

    • jwbiii - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:19 PM

      SitzBath Park.

  14. philsphilsphils - Dec 6, 2012 at 7:42 AM

    “If this comes together, the Phillies will possess one of the most expensive infields of all-time.”

    The 2013 yanks IF has them beat by 20mm.

    • chadjones27 - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:52 AM

      We’re only calculating starters. Not old, cripled players on the DL.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:01 AM

        Uhhhh….is that a shot at the Yankees or sticking up for them?

      • chadjones27 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:26 PM

        Yes

  15. dkphilly1122 - Dec 6, 2012 at 8:36 AM

    The Phillies have some decent prospects a few years away……mostly pitching which is the basis to build a team around and trade chips for other positions. RAJ HAS to make a big splash in the fact they can’t remain status quo especially after the Nats and Braves got better already. The Phillies got the money to get better this year and the years ahead as well with a ton of money dropping off after this year from Utley and Halladay plus others. They see that Philly has passionate fans and sell games out, so they have no choice but to have good teams regardless of the cost for years to come IF they wanna continue to make money back. Than again every team is starting to spend and get better, so it’s a steep hill they gotta climb and maintain.

  16. buffbaker1216 - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:09 AM

    You guys are funny. Utley, Doc, and Chooch are free agents after this year. Lee will have 2 years left and Rollins 1 with an option after this year. The phillies will have plenty of money moving forward and have plenty of youth a year or two away including a ton of young pitching. If they trade for young he is a stop gap for 1 year and then his money will be gone. They will be competitive and continue to rebuild. Baseball always works in cycles. They nationals will eventually get old with larger contracts. It’s the nature of the beast when you have good talent.

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:41 AM

      Who are they going to spend that money on? If RAJ has shown anything, it is that he will way overpay for FAs, in both dollars and years….the FA market is not where Phillie fans should want RAJ shopping. Their MiLB system is still very thin on position prospects. They don’t have anyone that projects as an impact bat.

  17. jase44 - Dec 6, 2012 at 9:43 AM

    Most expensive?? Has there ever been an infield that was a combined 141 yrs old?

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:10 AM

      Probably. Ted Williams was 42 when he retired, I would not be suprised if the other 3 everaged 33 around the horn.

      Not following who 141 years old is supposed to refer to in this case, though

      • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM

        Games Ted Williams played in the infield: 0

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:52 PM

        Well, there is no reason to get rational about it ;)

        You have the facts, I have my faulty memory. Who knows what is right in this crazy world!

    • noodles73 - Dec 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM

      @jase44 Yeah, my softball team!!! LOL!!! great point!

  18. greymares - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:12 AM

    so the Phillies get a 1 year 3rd baseman for 8 mil.(thats Joe Blanton money) what’s the downside ? although i do hope the reliever is Scwimmer.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM

      Totally agree, on all of the points

      • dasher521 - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:38 AM

        I would trade Schwimmer for Michael Young’s bat.

    • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:45 AM

      The downside? Well, MY can’t play the field at all. He is horrible at 3B.

      He also can’t hit anymore. Even in the Arlington Launching pad he had no power.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:03 PM

        Try to inject more hyperbole next time.

        The question is, would he be an improvement over the Kevin Frandsen/Freddy Galvis platoon situation. I think the answer to that is yes. Could the Phillies get a better deal elsewhere? Perhaps, but who?

      • paperlions - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:05 PM

        MY was the WORST everyday player in baseball last year. Getting a year old won’t help that. He had never been a good fielder. Most of his power is gone, and he doesn’t have patience at the plate.

        I appreciate the off-season optimism factor, but this guy is not the answer to a 3B problem. Compare his 2012 to Galvis (who has a great glove) and decide who you think would be the better option.

  19. deathmonkey41 - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Well, if he hangs out with Chooch, his power numbers will go up and he’ll be able to pay attention better.

  20. modellforprez - Dec 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    yee take that shankees

  21. deathmonkey41 - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:52 AM

    Does it matter that Young could only occupy 1/16th of the space that Plácido Polanco’s head occupied? I mean, what happens if Polanco’s head was occupying the space where a vortex to another dimension was trying to open up and now with that space free, the vortex erupts and sucks the entire left side of the Phillies infield into that vortex. And then we have to listen to Chris Wheeler’s non-sensical take on vortexes and how certain hitters like the ball middle-in, even if a vortex is currently wiping out the left side of the infield.

  22. shynessismyelguapo - Dec 6, 2012 at 11:57 AM

    Other than the fact that he can’t hit or play defense or steal bases, this is a good move. I mean, I’m sure he’s very pleasant to be around. And that’s the only thing that really matters.

    • jwbiii - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:24 PM

      Actually, from what I’ve read, he’s pretty cranky. Whining about playing time, position shifts, occasionally requesting a trade, that sort of thing.

  23. xmatt0926x - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM

    Ruben Amaro is just a bad GM, plain and simple. A guy in Ben revere who’s OBP is as bad as Rollins without the power and a washed up Michael Young at 3rd. I don’t see any improvement so far this offseason. In fact all I’ve seen is the pitching staff get worse. I guess we have to wait and see what other moves he hopefully has up his sleeve but so far, so NOT good. I don’t care how many thumbs down I get. Ruben just stinks.

  24. deathmonkey41 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:23 PM

    Funny how things change. A few years back when Amaro signed Cliff Lee to that monster contract to take him away from the Yankees, you would have thought he could turn water into wine and raise his best friend from the dead.

    • chadjones27 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM

      He can’t?

      • deathmonkey41 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:41 PM

        I’m sure if he could, Craig would have reported on it in a snarky manner.

  25. mojosmagic - Dec 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    And they would also have one of the cheapest OF in baseball with Brown, Ruff, and Revere. What’s the point? Young has only one year on his deal and the Rangers are paying half. Better they should sign Victarino for 40M or a lazy Upton with his 290 OBA for 75M? The Phils won 6 division titles in a row and a World Series so cut them a break. Half the the team was on the disabled list last year including Howard, Utley, Polanco, and Doc and they still managed 81 wins. I wouldn’t bury them just yet.

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