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Report: Justin Upton talks ongoing, this time without the Indians

Dec 6, 2012, 3:06 PM EDT

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3:20 p.m. EST update: Rosenthal is quoting an official involved in the talks as saying they’re “not dead,” but that things are no further along than they were going into the winter meetings.

3:00 p.m. EST update: Speaking with reporters about a half hour ago, Rangers GM Jon Daniels aid he was packed and ready to leave the winter meetings without completing a deal.

1:38 p.m. EST update: While other teams have packed up and left, Rosenthal says the Rangers, Diamondbacks and Rays are still at the winter meetings working on a Justin Upton trade.

///’s Ken Rosenthal is chiming back in on the Justin Upton trade talks, this time saying that two scenarios are in play, neither of which involve the Indians.

The Indians had been key in yesterday’s rumors, with Asdrubal Cabrera going to Arizona as the shortstop the Diamondbacks were thought to require in an Upton trade to Texas.

Rosenthal reports that both current scenarios involve the Rangers, Diamondbacks and Rays. One is a three-team deal and the other is a four-team deal that would include the Mariners.

While it’s speculation, Rosenthal thinks one way the deal could line up for the Rangers is for a Rays starter to go to Arizona, with Rangers third baseman Mike Olt and other prospects landing in Tampa Bay.

James Shields or Jeremy Hellickson could be the Rays starter in that plan.

Such an addition to the Arizona rotation could perhaps allow the Diamondbacks to swing a Cabrera deal with Cleveland afterwards.

As for the Mariners, they’re still believed to want Derek Holland from Texas. ESPN Radio’s Jim Bowden points out that the Mariners may be involved in order to aid the Rangers in getting Upton and thus help their chances of signing Josh Hamilton.

  1. angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:01 PM

    Send Andrus…he’ll be a royal PITA to sign once he’s a FA. The baseball antichrist is his agent.

  2. angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM

    I really do not want to lose the dutch oven in this trade. He has so much potential and flashes it occasionally in some tough situations.

    • lmoneyfresh - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM

      I couldn’t disagree more. He was an absolute trainwreck last season. I think the rangers need to cut bait on the guy and if someone wants him, let him go.

      • Tick - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM

        I agree with lmoneyfresh and I can’t understand why the Mariners want to, most likely, give up a prospect that has more of an upside than Holland. Better to just throw more money at Hamilton if you really want to go all in this badly.

  3. dorbs345 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    I don’t believe it, the Mariners had been said to be in talks with Arizona to get Upton. Now they are going to help Texas get him? I don’t think so. The M’s have plenty of pieces to make a two team trade and get him, and they certainly don’t need a weatherman (Holland).

  4. markofapro - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:05 PM

    So if Holland is gone, who takes his place? Because with him gone, 3rd and 5th spot in rotation is vacant.

    • angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:42 PM

      Good question. Ogando is too valuable, IMO, as a releiver to place him in a SP role. In that case they’re be left with Harrison, Darvish, Greinke (if that even works out, otherwise someone else thru FA), and ??? Those last two slots has got to be Perez (scary thought) and Ogando with the dutch oven gone. The FO has already said they are focused first on pitching, but if that is so, then how can they sell Perez as the #5 guy and Ogando ripped from being a reliever as fill-ins for holes??

      • lmoneyfresh - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:51 PM

        The Rangers have already said that Ogando is moving into the rotation.

      • angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:34 PM

        The Rangers have also claimed that Perez is going to be in the rotation too. Clubs “say” a lot of things. I’m hoping they think this through. Perez would be a bumpy ride at first, but having the safety net of Ogando in the bullpen to cover 2-3 innings as he has done before would make it more bearable. The rangers have lost 2 good relievers this off-season and that makes not having Ogando available in relief a huge loss.

  5. markofapro - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:07 PM

    Good point, angry. Boras’ players do not stay. (Unless it’s Weaver)

    • ezthinking - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:22 PM

      and Carlos Gonzales.

  6. mrobinson14 - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM

    Oh I am very angry….

  7. angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 12:51 PM

    I’d be a lot happier if by some miracle the Rangers just suck it up and accept that they are going to get hosed one more season on Young’s contract (move him if you want, but you’ll still be covering probably ~9-10M of it). After this season, $16M comes free and signing Josh + Greinke wouldn’t seem so awful, as long as Greinke isn’t going too high. I think the #s right now being thrown around on Greinke in the rumors are HIGHER than his actual value. It scares me that the FO appears to have tunnel vision on Greinke and are letting the market this year set an absurd price on a very good, but not 1-of-a-kind arm.

  8. wlubake - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:13 PM

    As for the Rangers’ rotation if Holland leaves, you have Yu Darvish, Free Agent (Greinke?), Harrison, Ogando and Perez. Colby Lewis is expected back around the All-Star break. In relief, you have Sheppers, Ross, Grimm and Nathan.

    Keep in mind that there could be other moves coming. If Young is shipped out, relief help would likely come in return. Guys like Cruz and Gentry could be on the move for the right pitching return. We know Kinsler is moving positions to make room for Profar, likely to the outfield, and Leonys Martin’s role should increase, shifting guys out.

    I’m sure the Rangers can find a decent back-end starter by trade. The big “if” is that you can only trade Holland if you get Greinke.

    • fordman84 - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:25 PM

      Don’t forget in relief we also have Feliz eventually and Soria now.

  9. markofapro - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:45 PM

    Perez, as we saw in 2012, needs another season in the minors. He has to develop. Don’t include him in rotation. Full that spot in with McCarthy or even Jackson.

    • angrycorgi - Dec 6, 2012 at 2:38 PM

      I’d be very happy grabbing Brandon McCarthy, but I have not heard much action from anybody on him lately.

  10. shawnuel - Dec 6, 2012 at 1:57 PM

    Speculation in Seattle is that Holland may be more of a piece of a subsequent trade, possibly packaged with Brandon Mauer/Erasmo Ramirez and James Paxton to KC for Wil Myers.

  11. denverdude7 - Dec 6, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Just once I’d like to see Cleveland spend some money and sign some top level free agents. Even if they fail, at least they made an attempt. They keep trying the mid 90’s script hoping to catch lightning in a bottle again. Good luck with that.

    Here’s to hoping we don’t see another 35 year drought between playoff appearances, but it’s not looking too good.

    Go Tribe !!!!!!!!!!

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