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There’s a “vibe” that Michael Young will accept a trade to Philly

Dec 7, 2012, 12:43 PM EDT

I like “vibes” better than tire-kicking:

 

Seriously, though: given that Young was never all that pleased with having to switch positions and be a super-utility guy, you have to think that the opportunity to be the starting third baseman is one he can’t pass up. Is there another team that is both (a) likely to want to trade for Young; and (b) give him a set job like this?

  1. Shafer's Dealer - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Obviously he hasn’t laid eyes on Philadelphia’s many beautiful women or he would have signed by now…

    • captainwisdom8888 - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM

      We need a player like Michael young. Polanco is gone and we couldn’t get any small ball going last year. He is old, but after him 3rd base is a wasteland in free agency

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:09 PM

        Yeah, except the part where Michael Young can’t play third base. You could at least count on Polanco playing solidly in the field. It is going to be just as bad, if not worse, than watching Wigginton over there. Better off going with a Fransden/Galvis combo.

      • Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

        They are probably better off yes. if MY does go to Philly I expect a lot of late inning defensive replacement with Galvis.

      • phillyphreak - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:00 PM

        And the part where small ball doesn’t work.

      • Joe - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:39 PM

        Nothing could be worse than watching Wigginton over there. I’d take one of the ball girls, or Cholly, over Wigginton.

  2. drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:50 PM

    This sucks. I will be forced into a situation where I have to root for Michael Young. Shit man, he can’t field. He simply can’t. He is going to have to hit .370 to compensate for his complete lack of power and whoes in the field. This has to be a gold mine for Craig. Never before has his trolling been so stream lined. If only Jack Morris came out of retirement to be the 5th starter.

    • ryanrockzzz - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:16 PM

      See those points, but really there aren’t better alternatives. Frandsen is a career minor leaguer….so there’s a reason he hasn’t been able to start or really even platoon for any other team. Galvis has defesne, but he has worse power then Young. Considering the options, I wouldn’t mind throwing Young, Galvis, and Frandsen in there during the spring and see who comes out on top. Also Young can play multiple positions, so with all the injuries that you know will happen on this club, wouldn’t be bad to have someone who can move around the field a bit.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:20 PM

        No, he can’t play multiple positions. He can’t play a single position. That is the crux of the issue. Fransden/Galvis is the better alternative. Young is such a horrid defender that he will have to post an OPS of .800 just to break even. This is a disaster waiting to happen. Take the 8 million or so it will cost for Young and spend it elsewhere to upgrade the club. This IS NOT an upgrade over what they currently have….at all.

      • schlom - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:25 PM

        No other alternatives? Why not just sign Youkilis?

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:29 PM

        Gotta love Philly Phans.

        First, they are all over the Revere deal because “they need a glove in CF” and they are totally willing to ignore his complete lack of offensive value/potential.

        Second, they are completely willing to ignore the fact that MY can not play defense. He’s horrible at 3B, horrible at 1B, and worse everywhere else….and, he can’t hit any more either.

        Off-season optimism, it’s whats for dinner.

    • Jeremy T - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

      Then we’d all be treated to another 20 years of Jack Morris HOF debates

    • miketreedy - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:01 PM

      Young hit into 26 double plays last year which was second most in the league. He was a momentum killer all year for the Rangers. You better put someone with speed batting in front of him.

      • dino1730 - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:28 PM

        Yes, and in 2005 he won a batting title. See I can take facts from the past and skew them in favor of my argument too. Bottom line is your getting a veteran right handed bat they desperately need. Is he gonna put up Pat Burrell power numbers? No, but the guy is a professional hitter who will not see the 8th and 9th innings when Phils have the lead. Stop belly aching about all the negative aspects of players and focus on the upside once in a while. What fun is it being a fan of a team when all you do is b*tch about them?

      • phillyphreak - Dec 7, 2012 at 9:51 PM

        2005 was 7 years ago man……

  3. somekat - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

    Unless there is a corner outfielder with some pop on the heels of this, it won’t make much difference

  4. kkolchak - Dec 7, 2012 at 12:59 PM

    Is there such a thins as an “intangible vibe?”

  5. angrycorgi - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:00 PM

    Buh-bye, MY. It was fun having you on the team. All good things must eventually to come to an end, much like your defensive ability has. ;)

  6. amaninwhite - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:01 PM

    It’s fascinating how many things related to Young are described in abstract form: his clubhouse presence, his baseball intangibles, the vibe surrounding this trade. I get the feeling that after he retires, Michael Young may go down as one of the most popular players ever who may or may not have even existed.

  7. kvanhorn87 - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:02 PM

    Any ideas on his relationship with Josh Hamilton? Could this lead to bigger things?

  8. angrycorgi - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:03 PM

    I know that MY dealt with a lot of shuffling in his time in TX, but its not like he was a good li’l trooper about it. He complained almost every time they moved him. He went along, but it ain’t like he had a fall-back option.

  9. Francisco (FC) - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:15 PM

    There’s a “vibe” that Michael Young will accept a trade to Philly

    Will 2011 Michael Young accept a trade? I’m not particularly interested in the 2012 model.

  10. leerosenthall - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:17 PM

    Young’s a great all around ballplayer, but is he really as bad in the field as everyone is implying? With the money the Phils have invested in their starting pitching, good defense on the hot corner is key.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM

      Michael Young was a good all around player. Not anymore…and he is probably worse in the field than people are implying.

    • jwbiii - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM

      Some would disagree.
      http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,a

  11. vanmorrissey - Dec 7, 2012 at 1:36 PM

    Avg Philly IF age = 35 (or so), Avg Salary = $20 million (close). Ye Gods. Talk about the Yankees aging. Avg games started = …anyone’s guess.

    • Joe - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:46 PM

      It sounds like, if it happens, it’ll be a one year stop gap. They’re not signing Young to a 15 year, quarter of a billion dollar salary.

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:48 PM

      $15.5 million average salary, so if being over by 30% is “close” then you win.

      We did this exercise the other day when the writer proclaimed it to be the most expensive infields in history: it’s still more than $20 million less than the Yankees.

      • vanmorrissey - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:04 PM

        Please, give me a break. If you want ‘details’ then lets say its one of the most OVERPAID infields like the Yankees. Get off your high horse it was meant as a lighthearted statement. Get a life.

    • somekat - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:33 PM

      I was under the impression Texas would be eating a large chunk of his salary

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Dec 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

      Yeah, why talk about baseball and real things when you can just talk out your ass all the time.

  12. lewp - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM

    Man, if the Phillies sign Michael Young, how much salary is that in the infield?????

    By the way, I figure Michael Young is gone…t’s too hot to play baseball here in Texas right Craig?

  13. kvanhorn87 - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:25 PM

    @mike, a guy with speed? Like Revere maybe?

  14. ncphilliesguy - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:30 PM

    Here we go again, the Phillies are too old, they pay too much for players. Well, they just traded for a 24 yo CF and everyone on here said he’s not as good as Bourn. Well, duh. The Phils have a good young 3B (Asche) a year or two away. Oh, Young can’t play anymore? In 2011 (I realize that season ended 14 months ago), he hit .320 and was an MVP candidate (maybe not totally deserving, but still). He is 36, not 42. His defense will be league average, and now with Revere, no one will be stronger up the middle once Chooch is back. Come on, to imply this would be a bad deal for the Phils is just ridiculous, This is smart, if they pay 8 million or less.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2012 at 2:34 PM

      In what world is Michael Young a league average defensive third baseman?

      • somekat - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:34 PM

        The one where you had to watch the Phillies 3rd baseman this past year.

      • Alex K - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        In ncphilliesguy’s special one.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:24 PM

        I did watch Phillies third baseman last season. Fransden is the definition of a league average defensive third baseman. I don’t understand the notion that Michael Young can field. Where is this coming from?

  15. ncphilliesguy - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:19 PM

    This world. By any stat measure or just eyeball test, Young is better than a good number of fielders judged average or above average. Hanley Ramirez, for example.

    • paperlions - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      Hahahahahahahahahhahahaha *breath* hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

      Man, you’re killing me. Young has never, ever been a good fielding player. Never in his career has he even been an average 2B, SS, 3B, or 1B. Ever.

      Ask yourself, why did the Rangers keep moving him around and keep signing or trading for players to take his spot in the field? Because he has always been a below average fielder, that’s why.

      • Alex K - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        Ding ding ding!

      • ncphilliesguy - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:47 PM

        Paperlions loves to quote stats, until the stats don’t support his position. Then, he reverts to the sentiment that he must be a bad third baseman, because the Rangers signed Beltre. Maybe he will be below average if you define average as replacement level. But there are a ton of guys playing third below replacement level fielders. He was never an average SS, I’ll give you that. He’s certainly not Beltre at third either, but he’s certainly NOT WORSE than Wigginton or Frandsen.

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

        Don’t you know by now that I really am not in the habit of forming opinions or making statements without being familiar with the data first? You wanted it, so here ya go. Here is Young’s DRS (defensive runs saved) and UZR/150 (ultimate zone rating scaled to 150 games) for every year and position he played for more than 100 innings. Note: negative values are below average:

        Year Position Innings DRS UZR/150
        2011 1B 302 -5 -12.5
        2012 1B 363 -2 -3.6
        Total 1B 665 -7 -6.8
        2002 2B 1258.2 5.5
        2003 2B 1389.1 -5 -3.7
        2011 2B 120.1 -3 -35.4
        2012 2B 124 -3 -20.4
        Total 2B 3810.2 -11 -1.6
        2009 3B 1165.2 -15 -9.6
        2010 3B 1370.1 -11 -5.8
        2011 3B 342 -3 -7.3
        2012 3B 215 -6 -30.3
        Total 3B 3101 -35 -9.2
        2004 SS 1386.2 -27 -17.7
        2005 SS 1356 -32 -21.4
        2006 SS 1356.1 -6 0.4
        2007 SS 1291.1 -10 -10.3
        2008 SS 1289 -4 -4.2
        Total SS 6762.1 -81 -10.1

      • jwbiii - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM

        UZR has him better than Wigginton and worse than Frandsen, but the sample sizes are small.

      • paperlions - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:58 PM

        Of course, internal options are not the only options for Philly. There are far better players available that can be had without giving up prospects and whose salary will probably be in the range of what they’ll be paying Young.

  16. yahmule - Dec 7, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    WAR of -2.4 last year. The Phillies don’t have enough washed up old men in that lineup already?

  17. kvanhorn87 - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:02 PM

    Revere is 22, lets take a chance. Even if he doesn’t get better, he offers speed which this “old” team lacks. What is wrong here? Super cheap with some potential? Not everyone has to be Mike Trout or 32 and stuck in the minors. He is in the middle somewhere. Lets see. Surely better than 75 mill for upton or Bourne. As far as Michael Young, he is a one year fill in player. Why does everything have to be an extreme? We needed a third basemen, a right handed bat, a good defensive center fielder and speed. They filled the roles for 8.25 million. Job done. Not great options but something. And they still have money to pick up some pieces.

  18. timpaz - Dec 7, 2012 at 4:44 PM

    Think this is a big mistake for Phillies, he’s past his prime and a whiner in the dugout.

  19. Jonny 5 - Dec 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM

    It’s for one season people. If his leg falls off mid season, so what? He’s playing for his career and his next FA contract this season. Not only is it a good move, but it’s a great move. Even if it was to satisfy some curiosity about his intangibles and see if they all kick in when he’s fighting for his career, it will be worth it. He will be a plus to the Phillies offensive game, and any plus to that is welcome IMO. 3rd has been a weakness offensively for this team for some time now, I welcome almost any change there.

  20. thesmedman - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:03 PM

    Big Polanco fan here. And I live in the DFW area now and saw q few Rangers games. Signing Young is a bad idea. But then again, there aren’t that many good options for the Phillies at third base. There’s Rolen, for the sentimental value, but he doesn’t seem to have fire in the belly, and he left Philadelphia on negative terms. Youkilis is probably too expensive. Would have loved David Wright but with the Mets having just done a deal with him that does not look like it can happen (even if they wanted to trade in the division).

    Seems to me that the Phillies should just resign Polanco and live for another day. Maybe use Revere to get someone good and then play for Curtis Granderson for cf…

  21. sarcasticks - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:09 PM

    I think Craig’s wife has had to learn to like “vibes” as well…

  22. raulduke11 - Dec 7, 2012 at 7:30 PM

    Rauolkmmkj

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