Comments on: Chad Murphy argues for his dad, Dale Murphy, to get into the Hall of Fame http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Thu, 23 May 2013 16:43:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: louhudson23 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410519 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:00:29 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410519 @Randy…FOS much?.

]]> By: louhudson23 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410518 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:00:21 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410518 @Randy…FOS much..

]]> By: FinFan68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410415 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:22:53 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410415 Dale Murphy deserves to be in the HoF. He was always a class act and was one of the best players throughout the ’80s. This is exactly the kind of player that should be enshrined. If he played on better teams and had a couple rings there would hardly be a debate.

]]> By: lostsok http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410343 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:06:17 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410343 If “class” were the deciding factor, he’s a no-brainer. Personally, he’d have my vote.

]]> By: ndrick731 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410305 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:30:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410305 Maybe if Murphy was willing to use ped’s his stats and longevity would be a lot more impressive. As far as modern made up unprovable stats they shouldn’t even be a consideration. I have seen too many guys who these stats say are going to make their team champions that are garbage when it counts. Example A-Rod.

]]> By: bigtrav425 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410263 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:05:33 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410263 How Dale is not in the HoF and Jim Rice is is a travesty in itself…he deserves to be in,in my opinion and would of voted for him his first go around.i think sincitybonobo had a pretty good case for him

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410191 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 02:13:55 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410191 Cool. Just checkin’.

]]> By: Detroit Michael http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410180 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 01:55:15 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410180 I was firmly on the Trout side of the MVP debate and it wasn’t close frankly.

]]> By: kinggw http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410168 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 01:44:58 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410168 I think both of you are way off. Im pretty sure Murphy’s dig at the sabremetrics crowd is tongue in cheek. Everyone refers to sabremetricians as nerds. Being that Murphy is a PhD student I think the last thing he would be doing is calling someone a nerd as a derogatory term. I believe he was trying to be funny. Throughout his letter there are repeated attempts at humor.There is always someone who doesn’t get it and tries to turn it into something more than it is.

Randy, since you obviously are still smarting from Nov. 6, maybe you can commiserate with Mr. Burns. Hopefully this clip will make you feel a little better.

]]> By: jwbiii http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410151 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 01:26:32 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410151 You know that Fulton County Stadium was known as The Launching Pad, right? The most homer friendly park in the NL until Colorado joined the NL.

]]> By: jwbiii http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410146 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 01:18:47 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410146 Comcast lobbies rather hard for conservative measures. I don’t know what their stance on Mormonism is.

]]> By: Tim's Neighbor http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410134 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 00:27:38 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410134 Oh, bravo. Nailed it.

]]> By: Tim's Neighbor http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410131 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 00:26:21 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410131 “He’s taken a page right out of the political play book, divisiveness.”

There you go. I fixed that for you.

You’re crazy if you think both sides don’t play that game. But, solid point. It is divisive and insulting.

]]> By: chc4 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410128 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 00:21:13 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410128 He’s a mormon and a Republican so he has no place at NBC.

]]> By: sincitybonobo http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410125 Sun, 09 Dec 2012 00:00:28 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410125 Watching Murphy’s HOF vote total has been among the most frustrating things I’ve ever seen. He has received fewer votes than Concepcion and Larry Walker in some years.

When Murph retired, he was not considered as “borderline” candidate. With very little lineup protection, he excelled for a decade. His prime years were spent in ballparks that were much more pitcher friendly and prior to an offensive explosion fueled by juiced players, smaller ballparks, and four additional teams. His numbers must be put in context. A 30/30 season in the 1980s was much more rare than it is today. Five straight Gold Gloves from an outfielder with his offensive prowess is also incredible.

His decline was steep. But, for just long enough, he was a dominant force in The Show. Character, as stipulated by the HOF, can work against a player. If ever a candidate should get a bump for character, it is Murphy.

The quotes from his contemporary players regarding his candidacy are also quite telling.

]]> By: blacksables http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410119 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:40:07 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410119 And the only category he lead the league in was RBI’s. Which means he was a very good all around player. I never said he wasn’t. He was one of my favorite players.

My point was, you can pick any set of numbers and make them mean anything you want.

Picking a bunch of numbers and saying a good exceeded arbitary levels and claiming its a matter of greatness is silly. It doesn’t prove anything.

And that was for one season. One season does not make a career.

]]> By: auggie1955 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410115 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:27:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410115 Dale Murphy more than exemplified the character, integrity, and sportsmanship that need to be considered in HOF voting. He was a real class act. His numbers did tail off after being traded to the Phillies, but hey playing before Philly fans can do that to you. Murphy belongs in the HOF.

]]> By: jimbo75025 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410098 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:48:38 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410098 The weird thing here is, as I was reading through this, it struck me how much bad stuff we have seen from athletes (especially football) in the last week-murder/suicides, intoxicated manslaughter, etc.

What was the worst thing anything can say about Dale Murphy-he was only good for a decade? He played on some horrible teams?

Sadly, I do not see him getting in-at least elected in. Possibly he will be given the go-ahead by the verterans at some point as I know many respect Murph.

One thing is for sure, if I took my kids to Cooperstown, I would really rather tell them about Dale Murohy than Barry Bonds along the trip.

]]> By: honourbound68 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410070 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:31:35 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410070 Nod. Being a a Dodger fan, I hated seeing DM at the plate with the game on the line. I don’t think he’s a first ballot HOF but he deserves to be in there.

]]> By: psunick http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410064 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:28:20 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410064 One thing’s for sure: this dude is a heck of a writer! NBC should find him a spot.

]]> By: Walk http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410063 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:28:01 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410063 Best i can figure integrity, character, and sportsmanship only matter if you are trying to keep someone out of the hall not getting them in. Despite the intention of the wording of the clause which had been intended to get a border line player admitted, it did not happen then, i dont think it will happen now. I would love to see murph get in, but if it happens it is going to be a veteran committee vote and not the election by the writers. Best wishes to the murphy family, dale getting elected would be a great honor for both the murphy family and baseball players who played the game the right way despite any temptation that may have come along.

]]> By: exibitsman http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410022 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:04:28 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410022 I remember his first year he was a
catcher. they moved him to center field. after another player was injured. he made some great catches in center field . I think he should be in the HOF

]]> By: ezthinking http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410014 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:39:52 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410014 Anyone begging to get in shouldn’t be in; especially when you have your son fluff your case so you can make a few extra bucks at autograph sessions.

]]> By: Carl Hancock http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410012 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:38:31 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410012 To whoever said the letter lambasts and insults the voters and calls them nerds, that’s not true. The vast majority of stat nerds with blogs, etc. aren’t members of the BBWA and therefore don’t have anything to do with the voting.

]]> By: sawxalicious http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-410007 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:30:01 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-410007 In the 80′s and (early) 90′s when I was collecting baseball cards, Dale Murphy was a household name and a superstar. It is the Hall of “Fame”, so that criteria should apply. He wasn’t just good for a few years, he had a decade of superior play as a very well rounded talent. As far as I can tell, he was a model citizen, right up there with Gehrig and Ripken. I am going to agree with Murphy’s son, that when you look at the big picture, the totality of circumstances, Dale Murphy is deserving of the Hall of Fame. Granted, he is not in the upper echelon of “First Ballot” HOFr’s, but I think there is a place in Cooperstown for him…he is part of the story of baseball. For all the bad behavior, suspected doping, and other shenanigans we saw in the 80′s, Murphy provides us with an opportunity to see the positive in that decade. I know some people think it’s asinine to use a particular decade to look at someone’s achievements (1980-1989 vs. 1974-1984), but I think that’s how a lot of us baseball fans remember the eras in baseball. Just my humble opinion. (For the record, Murphy was never my favorite player, nor did I have occasion to root for the teams he played on. I am writing this a fan of baseball in general.)

]]> By: randygnyc http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-409980 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:03:25 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-409980 WTF – “nerds”? That’s some kind of nerve. He’s taken a page right out of the democrat play book, divisiveness.

]]> By: jwbiii http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-409970 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:43:41 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-409970 I don’t *think* either one gets in.
But I don’t think much.

]]> By: jwbiii http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-409968 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:42:07 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-409968 Dale Murphy’s case is similar to Andruw Jones’: Excellent defensive CFs (Jones was better) who had Hall of Fame quality peaks in their 20s (Murphy got the hardware) and faded badly in their 30s. I don’t either one gets in.

]]> By: schmedley69 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-409965 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:38:09 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-409965 Good points. The HOF is very subjective. There is no cut and dry criteria for who gets in and who doesn’t. It’s all opinion. You can’t go by certain milestone numbers (like 500 HR) anymore because of the steroid users. You have to judge players against their peers from their own era. Murphy was right up there with Mike Schmidt and Eddie Murray in most statistical categories from the 80′s, but he didn’t put up the overall career numbers that those guys did.

Murphy is definitely borderline, but I would vote him in, because to me, as a kid growing up in the 80′s, he was a superstar. When I opened a pack of baseball cards and saw a Dale Murphy card, I was excited. I can’t say the same about some other guys who got into the HOF, like Don Sutton or Bert Blyleven, although they were both very good players in their own right. They just didn’t have the star power in my eyes.

Dale Murphy is a HOFer in my book, even if he never makes it to Cooperstown.

]]> By: mrchainbluelightning http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/08/chad-murphy-argues-for-his-dad-dale-murphy-to-get-into-the-hall-of-fame/comment-page-1/#comment-409964 Sat, 08 Dec 2012 18:31:33 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=271063#comment-409964 Cool story Chad…..

Still not getting it….
Donnie Baseball isn’t getting in, and neither is your Pops.

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