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UPDATE: Phillies acquire Michael Young from Rangers

Dec 8, 2012, 1:51 PM EDT

Michael Young

UPDATE: The deal is done, according to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. Young, the Rangers’ all-time leader in hits and games played, has been traded to the Phillies.

Nightengale hears that Young agreed to the deal after receiving $1.2 million in benefits from the Rangers and a full no-trade clause from the Phillies. The Rangers agreed to pay about $10 million of Young’s $16 million salary for 2013, so it’s a relatively low-risk gamble for Philadelphia. Still, that’s a pretty old infield.

1:20 PM: Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports that Young has “indicated a willingness” to accept a trade to the Phillies. However, the deal is not finalized because some of the financial aspects still need to be worked out.

Young is expected to get some form of compensation for waiving his full no-trade clause while MLB must approve the salary (more than $10 million, says Grant), being covered by the Rangers. But it sounds pretty close to being done. Grant hears that the Phillies will send reliever Josh Lindblom and prospect right-hander Lisalverto Bonilla to Texas.

10:28 AM: Michael Young has been taking his time to decide whether to waive his no-trade clause and accept a trade to the Phillies. But it appears that he has come to a decision.

T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com was told by industry sources that Young is expected to OK the deal and that the trade could go down as soon as today. The 36-year-old was expected to have a diminished role with the Rangers in 2013, so it makes for a pretty easy baseball decision, but Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports hears that the biggest consideration was his family.

Young batted .277/.312/.370 with eight home runs, 67 RBI and a career-low .682 OPS this past season and is expected to take over as the Phillies’ starting third baseman in 2013. The Rangers will reportedly cover at least half of Young’s remaining $16 million salary, as well as receive a reliever and prospect in return.

  1. addict2sport - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:44 AM

    could to?

    • D.J. Short - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:48 AM

      Yikes. Fixed.

    • jiminthebay - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:16 PM

      some folks on here make jesus cry.

  2. cstaz33 - Dec 8, 2012 at 10:56 AM

    Could this be the precursor to a Hamilton signing? A comfortable setting with Lee and Young, a players manager in Charlie and already having veteran leadership. He wouldnt have to step in and be the man (vocally), just a piece of the machine.

    • kingvorp - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:01 AM

      the only thing i think this is a precursor to is another lackluster season here in philly.

      • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:28 AM

        Hopefully.

      • cstaz33 - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:42 AM

        How do you figure, say we dont get Hamilton but rather another corner of’er with pop, with Revere and Young in the lineup its way better then last year. I also know that Utley, Howard and Rollins need to produce as well.

    • siftin thru nonsense - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:21 AM

      Everything I have read says the Phils arent in the hunt for Hamilton, but you never know with Amaro. I wish they wouldve looked into Ellsbury for CF. I heard the Sawx offered him for Lee.

      • mojosmagic - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:10 PM

        Not giving up Lee for a one year rental.

      • mojosmagic - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM

        Between Polanco and Wingington Santa Clause would be an upgrade.

    • coloradogolfcoupons - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:31 PM

      Philly fans: A warning (From a Ranger fan who has watched every game Young played):

      Get used to this from your announcers: “Past a diving Young”

      Young will take a half-step and dive at everything, and miss 95% of the time.. He has no range and tries to make it look like supreme effort for the fans.

      He will bounce into 25-30 Double Plays

      He will hit 300 or more weak ground balls to short and third as he pulls off the ball trying to hit for power he does not have. In all honesty, I partially blame Ron Washington for this, for batting Young 5th and 6th in the lineup. When he hit 2nd for many years, he hit to right field constantly and was good doing it. When he abandoned his right field stroke after being put in the middle of the lineup, he stunk up the park. He was statistically the WORST player in MLB last year, and if he does not return to his pure right-field approach, you guys are in for a LONG, BOO-FILLED YEAR.

      He will swing at almost anything. Look at his OBP. He does not like to walk. His OPS was in the .630 for most of the year, until he reverted to his right-field swing in September. If he quits trying to pull the ball like he did for 5 months last year, you might have a bargain. But if he continues to decline, you will boo him out of town by June.

      Good luck!

      • cktai - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        Don’t worry, last time we had a horrible fielder who was statistically the worst player in the league, he got a lot of love.

  3. c4nnon - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM

    I like the way you think cstaz33

  4. storebrandcookies - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:04 AM

    Sad to see one of the great Rangers I grew up watching leave town, but his role was diminishing and hopefully he’ll get plenty of playing time he deserves with the Phillies.

    • chadjones27 - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      The only people that hope he gets plenty of playing time in Philly are fans of the other team.

    • Chip Caray's Eyebrows - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM

      How much playing time does a guy with a .682 OPS deserve, if I may ask?

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:10 PM

        He deserves plenty on a team where we’ve had to endure a shell of polanco, wigginton, and frandsen at 3rd. And management was seriously discussing, at the end of last season, whether Utley could make a move to 3rd. I get that people don’t like Young’s defensive ability and his offensive game is clearly on the decline, but look at the free agent market. I’d take Young over Eric Chavez any day. We haven’t had a legitimate third basemen in years. Young is the best we could get, and we don’t even hafta pay half his salary so there’s plenty of flexibility to go after a power hitting corner OF’er. This guy is a career .301 hitter and batted .338 two years ago. I’m happy to have him even if he’s on the way down.

      • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:22 PM

        Last year Chavez was WAY better than Young both offensively and defensively. Yes, Chavez is an injury risk…but getting Young isn’t any better than signing Keppinger (at least Keppinger can play defense).

        If TX picks up $10M of the salary, that is still $6M for the Phillies to pick up (plus they are apparently giving up players)….twice what Chavez signed for. Unless Young really bounces back in a huge way on offense (he’s never been a good defender, so I wouldn’t hold out for magic there), this isn’t an upgrade over what they fielded at 3B last year. Last year Philly 3B had a .355 OBP and a .370 SLG (which was better than Young), plus Philly 3B played above average defense…which you won’t get from Young. The best you can realistically expect is that Young replaces what you got there last year…which is also true of Revere (even in his down year, Victorino was a better offensive player than Revere).

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

        I don’t understand why people aren’t agreeing with Paperlions. His assesment of Young is dead on. This is a bad move.

      • phillyphanatic77 - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM

        Young had his worst year as pro last season and still would have been one of the Phils leaders in RBIs and batting average. This lineup was completely inept last season, that must be understood when considering the Young acquisition. If he can manage to improve his power numbers a little and keep up similar RBI numbers then I’ll consider this a victory. It only cost us Lindblom and six million to get this guy. Thats a coup even if he’ll never lead the league in hits like he did two years ago or produce another gold glove like he did when he was a SS. Idk how you could consider this a bad move, at the worst it’s a lateral move from the terrible production and poor Fielding we had at the position last year.

      • fantasymoney - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:59 PM

        Assuming Young produces a .700 OPS this year in Philly, which will rank him at or near the bottom of the barrel again, he will still receive total yearly compensation in the amount of $17.2M. That’s awesome for Michael Young, and not so much for the Rangers that will absorb most of that cost. That 5YR/$80M extension they signed back in ’07 is not looking like such a wise investment here on the back end obviously. An even more costly example is A-Rod and whether his 5YR/$114M remaining will be a sunk cost for the Yankees. Judging by the free agent contract offers so far this winter, MLB teams on the whole appear more hesitant to throw out large dollars on 5-6 year+ commitments. Some of the smaller market teams simply don’t have that kind of money to spend. Some of the larger market teams don’t have that kind of money to spend because they are paying, in some cases dearly, for mistakes made in the past. What are Albert Pujols’ stats going to look like in say, 6 years? Albert Pujols is a hitting machine among the best I’ve ever seen, but he is human and has gotten off to slow starts the past two seasons. When will those slow starts become slow seasons, while still costing the Angels an elite price? Not such a good time to be Josh Hamilton……with more teams needing to be cost conscious, there’s less of a chance to strike the mother lode. Michael Bourn wants how much for how long? LOL Scott Boras.

  5. fighterflea - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    I think the Rangers are moving towards a Zack Greinke signing and a Justin Upton trade. At times perception becomes reality and the perception approaching reality is that Hamilton takes a back seat to the Greinke situation in the minds of the Rangers. Hard to argue otherwise. I’ve come to feel that the only way that Hamilton returns to Texas is if the Dodgers come in with a late better offer on Greinke. Here’s what I expect.

    1. Greinke signs Texas
    2. Rangers trade Andrus to the Dbacks for Upton in a deal with additional players moving in each direction.
    3. Mariners reiterate offer on Hamilton.
    4. Big market team (Yankees, Red Sox, Phils in that order of likelihood) comes out of the woodwork and signs Hamilton to a 4-year deal with a fifth year option.
    5. Mariners up offer to Swisher and sign him for 4-5 years.
    6. Either Angels or Dodgers trade for Dickey.

    Watch for it! (Remember the term “consolation prize” in connection with this off-season).

  6. rgbrew - Dec 8, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    yup another in along line of aging 3 rd basemen Bell,Felix,Palanco,and now Young, has anyone seen Rick Schu, maybe Utley at 3 rd was not that crazy

    • jwbiii - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:11 PM

      Schu is the Nats’ minor league hitting rover.

    • rajplayscoy - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:03 PM

      Is Chris James available?

    • jerze2387 - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      why do you think they hired sandberg and made him work his way through the minors? for the cal up to play 3rd!

  7. klink6224 - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Please Michael just say no! I know it would only be for a one-year stopgap but I just don’t want to see him here. The results on the field aren’t going to be that much different with him there than an inexperienced young guy, at least with the young guy there is the general feeling that a movement is coming. Bringing in the capital letter Young is just too much of the same OLD standing still stuck on the “on more run” mentality.

  8. schmedley69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:02 PM

    This is a low risk, high reward move for the Phils. They aren’t giving up much, and Texas will be paying more than half of his salary. If Young bounces back, great, if not, Galvis will probably get more playing time at 3rd or Cody Asche could even get called up. There aren’t any other great 3rd base options out there. I would rather have Youk, but it looks like the bidding for him is getting too high.

    The Phils got absolutely nothing out of Polanco and Wiggington at 3rd last year. Even with last years stats, Michael Young would be an upgrade.

    • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM

      Actually, if you look at the stats, last years Philly 3B were far better than young, with the same SLG and a much better OBP and much better defense.

      • schmedley69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:34 PM

        Guess you didn’t watch the games. You are the biggest anti-Philly guy on here, paperlions. You’re opinion means absolutely nothing to me.

      • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:12 PM

        I’m not anti-Philly, just pro information.

        Philly 3B in 2012: .335 OBP, .370 SLG, .309 wOBA, 92 wRC+, and 4.6 UZR

        MY in 2012: .312 OBP, .370 SLG, .297 wOBA, 78 wRC+, -7.7 UZR.

        Young was the worst everyday player in the majors last year. It has nothing to do with Philly or Young, and everything to do with facts. I would rip any team that gives MY a starting 3B job, because that is a horrible baseball decision.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

        You are the biggest anti-Philly guy on here, paperlions.

        Wait what? I thought you guys felt Craig was the biggest anti-Philly guy here?

      • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:02 PM

        What does this honor come with? Do I get a certificate? Name on a plaque? Free pullover fleece? Coffee mug?

      • schmedley69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM

        Most of the Phillies offense at 3rd last year came from Kevin Fransden the last few months of the season. Polanco was hurt for a good chunk of the year, and didn’t hit when he did play. Guys like Wigginton and Mike Fontenot filled in at 3rd, and they were bad in the field as well. Fransden is a career minor-leaguer who is bad in the field himself. The Phillies are taking a gamble that Young will bounce back and have a better year than he had last year. Looking at all of the other options available, it’s not a bad gamble. If they are wrong, then there isn’t much of penalty in players that they gave up or money they are paying him. Like I said, if Young flops, Galvis could fill in at 3rd in his place. I would rather take a chance on Young then go with what they had last year (Polanco, Wigginton, Fontenot, Fransden).

      • schmedley69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

        Craig is a professional troll. He gets paid to make anti-Phillies posts. paperlions does it for free. There will be no plaques or certificates for paperlions, but we can send that fat kid to come puke on him if he’d like?

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

        Fransden was NOT bad defensively at third last year.

      • xmatt0926x - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

        Paperlions, the only reason I disagree with your opinion is that those numbers are a large part due to the unexpected play of Kevin Frandsen. He’s a journeyman/career minor league player at best who came out of nowhere last season to have a great partial season for the Phillies. My guess is that the Phillies don’t feel that he can duplicate that success long term. I’m not a huge believer in Young playing defense at 3rd at this point in his career, but at the end of the day he may be the best option out of a list of very bad options available. I wouldn’t want Chavez. I don’t buy for a second that he could finish a full season.

      • spudchukar - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

        I am offended! As the consummate Phillie hater on this site I protest. In the past I have been a Michael Young apologist. However, 2012 was pretty awful. Should he put up better numbers in 2013, but he is moving to a less productive offense so that could hold down an uptick. The real issue here is defense.

        Did anyone watch him play D vs STL in 2011? As a full-time third baseman he should be worse than awful. Add the rapidly diminishing skills of Howard, the persistent knee problems of Utley and another year to Rollins, the Phillies had better acquire fly-ball hurlers exclusively.

        Add in the fact that the cheat Ruiz, will be sidelined for the first month, the trio of Ruf, Nix and Brown lumbering across the outfield, question marks regarding Halladay and Lee, and the departure of Blanton and Worley, the Phillie Phans should applaud the disastrous franchises in New York and Miami as they are the only thing between the Pheelies and a return to the often occupied cellar.

      • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

        Well done Spud…but the fleece pullover is mine!

      • schmedley69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

        Fransden was pretty bad defensively by my eyes. I was clamoring for a late-inning defensive replacement when he played.

      • jwbiii - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM

        paperlions, I think you get a date with Susan Finkelstein.
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2372168/posts

      • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:31 PM

        Saaaweeeeet!

  9. Glenn - Dec 8, 2012 at 12:30 PM

    Young has had a negative defensive WAR for the last four years and even had a negative offensive WAR last year. I don’t see what the Phillies are thinking.

  10. rpink24 - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM

    paperlions, the Phillies 3b stats are a little skewed because of how well Frandsen played in the second half of last season. young is still an upgrade and will probably improve over last season being able to play everyday. some guys don’t handle being used predominantly as a dh.

    • ncphilliesguy - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      What rpink said. I sound like Art Howe or Clint Eastwood here, but you had to watch the games to understand how bad the Phillies 3B situation was last year, and that’s with Frandsen (who I like as a utility guy) playing WAY over his head. This is for one year until Asche is ready. The numbers are a part of the story, but not the whole story. This is a great move, especially since it doesn’t look like they will have to give up anything with any upside. MY had a bad year last year, I get that. Again, I said this yesterday, 14 MONTHS AGO, the guy got MVP votes.

    • jwbiii - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

      He was pretty awful when he was a full time 3b in 2009-10. Do you think he’s better now?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:58 PM

      young is still an upgrade and will probably improve over last season being able to play everyday

      Michael Young played in 156 games last year and received 651 Plate Appearances, was that just the warm-up for the next 600PA?

  11. dkphilly1122 - Dec 8, 2012 at 1:52 PM

    Not to mention Young played all over last year but was mostly the DH……who would have “great” numbers as a DH?? If he is playing on a regular basis and not cold coming off the bench just sitting there all game waiting to bat I guarantee he puts better numbers up. I love all these useless and annoying stat numbers people throw out there. Speak English. Let the man prove himself with a change of scenery for a few months than if he sucks you can rip him. Everyone deserves a second chance, even you haters.

    • paperlions - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

      I’m not ripping Young, just the decision to waste $5M, a roster spot, and 600 ABs on him. He makes a lot of contact, so he very well may be offensively productive with a little luck, but there is no way he’s going to be anything but a disaster on defense.

      • greymares - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

        Alternatives ? It’s a 1 year thing until Cody Asche is ready

      • thesportsguru7 - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM

        Good thing they have one of the best fielding shortstops in baseball to pair with him over there.

  12. sportsguygerald - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

    I’ve been a MikeY fan since he came to Arlington. But facts are facts, the bat speed isn’t there anymore, he had to cheat on the fastball and as far as defensively, a statue has greater range. Plug him in at second and he could get by, at third, well, he will catch most of what’s hit directly at him. Still has a decent arm, but no way is he an everyday player in Texas, unless, maybe DH and he doesn’t want to do that. Good guy to have in the clubhouse, but he is what he is, just an old aging ballplayer fast approaching the finished line

  13. mungman69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM

    Yo, youse guys, Frandsen (sp?) had a very good year over there. A very good fielder and hits for average and is a good base runner. Not much power. The Phils don’t think that he can have another good year at the plate but they are wrong. When Young gets hurt the Phillies have a capable replacement.

  14. cktai - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:23 PM

    I think I might like this deal.

    I’m not a big fan of Michael Young, but if the deal really is just the Phillies picking up $6M of his contract, then this could really work out. In order to earn his contract, he needs to accumulate about 1.5 WAR. If his hitting recovers to say .325 wOBA (which besides 2012 would be his lowest mark since 2002), he will contribute enough offensively to overcome his below average defense and post a 2+ WAR.

    • cktai - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

      Oh wait I missed that the Phillies gave up Lindholm and his career 4.33 FIP, and Bonilla who had some decent succes as a reliever in the minors

  15. brianratm - Dec 8, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    This is a zero-risk move. Cody Ashe is very close to being ready for the majors; could really step in and play as an everyday player now. If Young doesn’t have a bounce back year Cody will be called up;
    dude is a player. I am so tired about people whining about spending too much money. It is not your money. There is no salary cap. I don’t care it they pay a bench player 30 million a year as long as that doesn’t stop them from making more moves

    • Glenn - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM

      Putting Michael Young on third base, even if you had to give up nothing and pay him nothing, is a risk. Look at his numbers – the worst every day player in all of baseball last year.

      • brianratm - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        The Phillies traditionally keep players in the minors too long. If you can play, you can play. Additionally, everyone knows that Double A is a better league than Triple A, which has a punch of washed up has journeyman hanging on. If you can be a top hitter or pitcher in Double A, that is saying something

      • brianratm - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

        If he sucks, he won’t play. Like I said, zero risk

      • thereisaparty - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:46 PM

        Regression to the mean works in both directions

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:17 PM

      I like Asche but to say that he is could step in and be an everyday player right now is just wrong. He hasn’t even had 300 plate appearances above A ball. Furthermore, I believe there are concerns over whether he can play third sufficiently on the defensive end.

      • brianratm - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        The Phillies traditionally keep players in the minors too long. If you can play, you can play. Additionally, everyone knows that Double A is a better league than Triple A, which has a punch of washed up has journeyman hanging on. If you can be a top hitter or pitcher in Double A, that is saying something

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM

        Yes, I say lets give everybody a trip to Philadelphia based upon 300 plate appearances in the launching pad known as Reading. Also, lets promote said prospects even though they aren’t close to being defensively ready. Furthermore, where was AAA mentioned in my post? Listen, I’m not saying he won’t turn into a good MLB player but hold off on the hype.

  16. mungman69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

    Frandsen is a great fielding third baseman. He will be the late inning defensive replacement and then the Phillies will realize that he is a better hitter than Young now. Time marches on.

  17. macjacmccoy - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM

    So the Phillies pretty much get a big upgrade at 3b for the price of letting Victorino go a half a year early when they had no chance of winning and a low level minor leaguer years away from contributing. I gotta say thats a big win for the Phillies. And dont tell me his numbers last year were comparable to what the Phillies combined for last year at the position. Yea they might have been similar but anyone that knows baseball knows that when an everyday player goes from constantly playing to being moved from position to position or sat the hitting usually goes down considerably . It happens all the time when NL players go to the AL and are asked to DH. They just cant do it . The fact that he will be the everyday 3b and have that piece of mind should help him considerably. Im not naive either I know hes getting old and probably wont ever be a + .310 hitter again but its not inconceivable for him to hit .285-.300 with .750+ ops.

  18. paint771 - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    I liked the Revere trade very much, because that’s the direction the Phils need to go in with their position players – solid ready-to-contribute young players with long term controllability and a lot of upside.

    The Young trade is pretty much the opposite of that (a Hamilton signing would be as well).

    Granted it’s not much money, but the Phils are still in a bit of a state of denial about their position player core. Like the Yankees, it’s clogged with a bunch of guys who aren’t just going to roll over their playing time and whose best years are undeniably behind them – and the Yankees are at least beginning to address that. Howard, Utley, Rollins, and Michael Young? What are you collecting a 2008 hall of fame? Anyone want to make a bet that the consolidated play of that infield is going to average better this year than last? I wouldn’t put money on that.

    And in the meantime, unless one of them completely dives off a cliff (very possible, granted), they’ll probably limp along all year and whatever younger depth Philly has is going to be cooling its heels and you start 2014 in the exact same position you started 2013, save your position core is one year older – and your pitching core, what’s keeping the whole thing afloat, is too. And you run the very real risk that those two catch up to each other and you have to scrap the whole damn thing.

    These are the guys the Phils need to be moving (while they still have some value) for more MLB-close prospects or guys like Revere. These are not guys the Phils need to be stockpiling more of.

    I live in Philly, btw, and this is not a sports market filling me with much confidence that better days are right around the corner.

    • paint771 - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:06 PM

      Actually, can you imagine the Phils and Yankees playing each other? Rollins, Howard, Utley, M. Young, Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Jeter, A. Rodriguez, Ichiro, Petite, M. Rivera, etc. etc.

      Hell, throw in Hamilton, Youkalis, and Mauer – who have all actually been discussed – and you have probably the majority of the 2000 – 2010 all decade all star teams.

      • spudchukar - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

        Unfortunately the upcoming season is 2013.

      • paint771 - Dec 9, 2012 at 3:16 AM

        Exactly.

  19. phillyphreak - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    Lol. Lollollollollollollollollollolol at RAJ.

    I don’t like this, but all I can do is hope he has a slight bounce back session offensively. That being said he’s closer to the 2012 player than the 2011 player…..

  20. dkphilly1122 - Dec 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM

    Fransden will NOT be a late inning defense replacement. ….Galvis will be. He is a stud defense man who could fill in at 3rd, 2nd and his natural spot Shortstop. Galvis has way more range and a better arm than Fransden. The only thing stopping them from using him at 3rd is his hitting which is weak. Otherwise they would have saved a ton of money and just thru him at 3rd base instead.

  21. scotttheskeptic - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM

    And for his next trick, Amaro announces that Ibanez and Abreu have been signed to man the corner outfield spots!

  22. spudchukar - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM

    How far have the Phillies fallen? The above posts arguing the merits of Galvis vs. Fransden as options to fill in with the likes of Michael Young. Ugly.

    • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:05 PM

      I actually think Galvis has some potential. I mean, his glove cannot be denied. Plus, he has shown consistent improvment as a hitter. He is hitting very well down in Venezuela as we speak. Your point is taken though. Third base has been a bit sketchy for the Phillies since Rolen left town. We’ve had the likes the aging David Bell, Pedro Feliz, Polanco over there. The difference is, those three were at a minimum capable of playing between competent and very good defense. We, and anybody who isn’t delusional or biased, knows that Young just can’t do that. He may or may not hit, but he certainly will be somewhere between disaster and bad in the field.

      • spudchukar - Dec 8, 2012 at 5:29 PM

        Wow, an honest assessment by a Phillie Phan, I guess the Mayans are correct.

      • drmonkeyarmy - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:29 PM

        Most of my comments are impartial.

      • scotttheskeptic - Dec 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM

        Spudchukar, there are a few of us (intellectually honest Phillies’ fans) in this city.

  23. Walk - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    Philly is a pretty good hitters park, i would say similiar to texas. Difference being it seems is that the phillies fans believe my will have better focus playing a smaller role as a cog in the machine much like chooch. (totally just tweaking your noses philly fans)

  24. philly803 - Dec 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Am I’m the only one waiting for Craig’s editorial on this trade, fine trolling like his is hard to find lol

  25. mungman69 - Dec 8, 2012 at 6:44 PM

    The average age of the Phils starting infield is old, the outfielders can’t hit, the catcher can’t play and the pitchers can’t carry the whole load. The Phils will be a .500 club again. Give or take.
    1st—Nationals
    2nd–Braves
    3rd–Phillies
    4th–Mets
    5th–Who cares

    • jwbiii - Dec 8, 2012 at 7:59 PM

      The catcher is pretty good. 5th will be the Zephyrs (at least that’s where most of them should be).

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