Comments on: Robinson Cano will not take hometown discount to stay with Yankees

By: bozosforall

bozosforall — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 03:50:22 +0000

In the Yankees’ case, the hometown team always has overpaid. Dont expect the greedy players to return the favor.

By: doclolly

doclolly — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:18:48 +0000

The dodgers will give him 10 years at whatever he wants because they found a way to print money at dodger stadium

By: louhudson23

louhudson23 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:50:44 +0000

Reality is that a hometown discount means a player left something on the table and got it done,rather than seeking the last dollar offered by whoever offered it. No one accepts a less than viable offer and no team gets a way with robbing anyone.Pujols refused an extremely nice offer to stay in his adopted town with his World Champion teammates,but was insulted and went where he really had little desire to go. He refused to take a hometown discount,and went for top dollar,which while nthing to sniff at,really makes no difference in his life other than he plays in Anaheim now. A great deal if you really want to play for the Angels. If not,a few more million makes little difference……he could have had a another ring,tens of millions o dollars and played in front of his family and and with his friends,instead he counts the bucks….Cano intends to do the same….so no hometown discount….

By: gjswanson

gjswanson — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:22:39 +0000

You’re right that the article as it’s currently written doesn’t reference that first contract. The original version, however, made reference to “Alex Rodriguez’s 252 million dollar ten-year deal.”

I think D.J. realized that he meant to reference the second decade-long agreement and edited his post. But I agree that if we’re talking about Rodriguez’s 2007 deal, that’s probably not a comp Cano’s agent will want to make.

By: jimmygrahamchrisivory

jimmygrahamchrisivory — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:37:51 +0000

but willing *

By: jimmygrahamchrisivory

jimmygrahamchrisivory — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:36:56 +0000

They want their own stars that began their careers there to take hometown discounts are willing to give every body part possible to lure an outside FA.

By: jakebusey69

jakebusey69 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 07:09:58 +0000

Why is the onus always on the player to take a “hometown discount,” rather than on the “hometown team” to “overpay?”

No, seriously.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:47:50 +0000

Come on now. It's so cheap and easy to live in New York that if you can't accept a hometown discount there, where can you accept one?

By: cackalackyank

cackalackyank — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 03:59:02 +0000

Robbie, dream big, dream big. I think Prince Albert may have finished the mega deal for anyone over 30…I of course could be wrong, but not by the amount that he/Boras is thinking vs. what GMs will be giving from now on.

By: lgwelsh1

lgwelsh1 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 02:27:56 +0000

He is 31 years old and no way is he going to get a 10 year deal. The Yankees should offer him 4 years 100 million. That is more than fair.

By: kvanhorn87

kvanhorn87 — Sun, 09 Dec 2012 00:44:10 +0000

Utley’s contract ends the same year Cano’s does. Coincidence? Never underestimate the Ninja

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:52:06 +0000

21/33 HR would have left 21/30 ballparks, with only 4/33 only leaving 1 park*. He’s a line drive hitter who’s getting some loft in his swing. He doesn’t have an uppercut like Teixeira does.

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2012_4925&type=hitter

By: thurmanmantle

thurmanmantle — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:27:03 +0000

I wouldn’t give cano anything. He freezes up during the playoff every single year, even in 2009. But he’s good at hitting home runs in regular season……… as long as there is no pressure.

By: theaxmancometh

theaxmancometh — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:21:09 +0000

With Cano being a left handed hitter with the short porch in right at Yankee stadium, am I only the only not impressed with him not even hitting 30+ homers til last season? Seems like he should be in the 40s every year. He doesn’t steal bases & seems lackadaisical at times. No question he’s a very good player but I don’t see how he sniffs $200m.

By: 18thstreet

18thstreet — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 23:02:42 +0000

Robinson Cano was born in San Pedro de Macoris. He has been paid in exchange for his talents as a baseball player. One can argue he’s been underpaid for the value he’s provided to Hank Steinbrenner.

The idea of a hometown discount — him taking less of Steinbrenner’s inherited money is simply preposterous. I think I know who invented the concept “hometown discount.” It wasn’t Marvin Miller.

By: 18thstreet

18thstreet — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:57:13 +0000

I mostly agree with this comment, but I feel like it happens after every signing — that no one is willing to admit finishing second to the big-spender. So I’m skeptical that no one was willing to offer A-Rod somewhere near $274M.

Besides, it’s the agent’s job to bluff the “winner” into paying every last extra dollar.

By: djpostl

djpostl — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:38:28 +0000

Exactly.

I know his position lends him more value than normal but let’s get real.

For that kind of a deal you better A. never slack off (like he’s prone to do) and B. best be beastmode in October.

By: djpostl

djpostl — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:36:37 +0000

Nobody is referencing Arod’s first deal though.

His 2d ten year deal is right around the same age as when Cano will be getting his new deal, so it is the only one that matters for a reference point.

By: sidelineshot

sidelineshot — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:21:59 +0000

Even after you went 0 for eternity in the playoffs ?????

By: uyf1950

uyf1950 — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:34:26 +0000

The salaries this year aren’t the concern. Of course Cano and Granderson are less expensive then Hamilton and Cabrera would be in 2013. But 2014 I doubt that would be the case. Cano’s looking for about $25MM per for some ridiculous amount of years and Granderson will probably get about $18MM per starting in 2014.
Also, we’re not exactly sure what the per year cost for Hamilton is going to be. Right now the market seems to be in the $20 to $25MM range. But who knows. As for Cabrera is under contract for the 2014 season at $10MM that’s probably going to be about $8MM less in more then that for what Granderson is going to go for.
Besides and this is just my opinion obviously I’m not sure at all that a Hamilton/Cabrera combination would make the Yankees noticeably worse then a Cano/Granderson combination.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:23:56 +0000

You’re not kidding.

By: protius

protius — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:22:48 +0000

You wrote: “If the second best hitter in the AL is “slacking off” I wonder how he would do if he hustled?” Obviously, he’d be the best hitter in the American League. Your straw man argument, re: Cano as “the greatest player in the history of the world,” is also pointless.

Offensively, Cano has, at the most, two, maybe three years left in him until he becomes mundane. Therefore, why should the Yankees, or anyone else for that matter, over pay him.

Cashman should find the best deal possible for him right now, and get a good front line everyday player, and some good young AAA talent.

By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged

churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:19:57 +0000

Except Hamilton will cost as much as Cano and Granderson do now, and Cano + Granderson > Hamilton + Cabrera so you’ll make the team worse at a higher rate.

By: ireportyoudecide

ireportyoudecide — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:18:23 +0000

I still remember when he signed that new contract, was somebody really willing to pay him $274 million? I think not.

By: uyf1950

uyf1950 — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:10:38 +0000

Apparently you’ve missed several of the games this past year where he has taken what I will call a lackadaisical approach to running out ground balls, etc… Sometimes this “funk” of his last a lot longer then you would say is a lack of focus. That’s just my opinion from what I’ve witnessed.

By: genericcommenter

genericcommenter — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 21:03:47 +0000

If the second best hitter in the AL is “slacking off” I wonder how he would do if he hustled? Is he supposed to be the greatest player in the history of the world, but failing to reach that potential?

I agree about the length of contract, though I would apply that to anyone. There’s not a player in the world over 30 deserving of more than a 6-7 year contract.

By: 13arod

13arod — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:42:26 +0000

if he goes to the marlins he will get traded after a couple of weeks

By: rob0527

rob0527 — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:37:06 +0000

Would be a big loss when he leaves. The Yankees are never going to give him the 10 years he wants, if u want to know why just look at A-Rod. They will offer 6-7 years at the max.
He has said for the past few years that he will not take home town discount, he is only out for himself. At times very lazy and appears like he doesn’t care and isn’t trying.
We will miss you, but you can be replaced.

By: gjswanson

gjswanson — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:33:13 +0000

Actually, the contract Alex Rodriguez first signed with the Rangers was a pretty successful one. By fangraphs’ WAR calculations, Rodriguez was worth +71.5 wins between 2001 and 2010. According to BBref, he was worth 68.9 WAR.

At a price of 252 million, that works out to about 3.5 million dollars per win, which was a bargain by the end of his contract. To be honest, I’m not sure what wins were worth in free agency in the early part of the decade.

What killed the Yankees was their decision to hand Rodriguez essentially a new 275 million dollar contract in 2007. The initial contract was a good move, in hindsight, that locked up the best player of his generation for his ten peak seasons.

Of course, Rodriguez was 25 during the first year of his contract, while Cano would be 31 at the start of his. I’m not arguing that Cano should get that kind of money, but that you’re incorrect to suggest that Rodriguez wasn’t worth his first ten-year contract.

By: uyf1950

uyf1950 — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 20:31:37 +0000

Trade Cano and Granderson now for a pot load of prospects and players. Then sign Josh Hamilton and trade Cleveland for Asdrubal Cabrera. The Yankees would make out like pigs in slop.