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Watch as the Rays act like they didn’t totally rip the Royals off in the Myers-Shields trade

Dec 10, 2012, 6:40 AM EST

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Via Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times, listen to Rays GM Andrew Friedman act like he didn’t just totally rip off Dayton Moore and the Royals:

“Personally I think this is the most difficult trade we’ve made to date. Both guys were drafted and developed here, they’ve been key players in this organization’s turnaround and they’re both really high-quality people. It’s a painful loss for our club, but I’m confident in our resilience and the talent that will be returning to the field next season.”

We’ll try to carry on …somehow.

Rays pitcher David Price played it more dramatic on Twitter right after the trade was announced:

 

Now, I do not think that Price is playing some “let’s make it sound fair” P.R. game like Friedman is. As Shields’ and Davis’ teammate, he is likely sad to see them go, and veteran players are always genuinely partial to their veteran teammates.

That said, Price knew that Shields was on the block for a long time and likely made his peace with that a while ago. And of course, he will be signing the praises of his new teammates a week into spring training, if not sooner. Meanwhile, he is well-aware that this frees up money for the Rays to either (a) actually give him a long term deal; or (b) more likely, serve as a slightly more plausible competitor in the market to those teams who truly are willing to give him a long term deal.

More broadly, you will be hard pressed to find actual baseball people who don’t think the Rays fleeced the Royals — snap polling certainly indicates that — and Friedman and Price likely share that sentiment privately even if manners and class dictate that they don’t say so publicly.

  1. bobdira - Dec 10, 2012 at 6:54 AM

    A lot of prospects come and go without living up to expectations. Shields and Davis are known commoditites with team friendly contracts. KC got the bird in the hand, we won’t know what Tampa Bay got for some time.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:49 AM

      I will say one positive thing about Shields. In my mind he is a very similar pitcher to Greinke and is much cheaper. The onus on the Royals is to sign him to an extension.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 10, 2012 at 9:49 AM

        I just checked the career numbers for Shields and Greinke. They are incredibly similar. Based on salaries, Shield is a much better bargain. I like the way the Royals have taken care of their main weakness. The rotation is greatly improved.

      • dcfan4life - Dec 10, 2012 at 10:27 AM

        And the farm system is greatly weakened. Based on the value everyone gave these prospects and what they got in return, awful trade. Even if the prostects end up stinking down the road, this is still a bad trade. Right now there value was better than a mid level guy like Shields and a reliever.

      • tampajoey - Dec 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM

        @dcfan4life, so Shields is a “mid level guy”? Is today your first day as a baseball fan?

  2. Pierre Cruzatte - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:01 AM

    Dear Royals:

    Never change.

    Love,
    AL Central fans everywhere

    • Paul White - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:22 AM

      “AL Central fans everywhere but Kansas City”

      Fixed it for you…

  3. biasedhomer - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:19 AM

    I find it funny when people say a deal is so one sided before either player puts on their new uniform.

    Lets look out the deal outside of Myers and Shields.
    The Royals gave up:
    Mike Montgomery, a pitcher who has really lost the appeal of a top prospect.
    Patrick Leonard, who is only in single A, he either end up boom or bust, your guess is as good as mine.
    And finally, Odorizzi, who is a downgrade from Wade Davis.

    Now the meat of the trade,
    While Myers is looking like a potential star, the Royals needed to do something to get out of the gutter. Shields finally gives them a top of the line pitcher. He is only under control for 2 more seasons, but this is a gamble. Teams that stay conservative stay on the same road, while being aggressive like this can put the Royals on the highway.

    • danrizzle - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:29 AM

      Trading Myers for Shields is the conservative play for the Royals. Shields is the much more known commodity; Myers offers far more upside.

      Also, Odorizzi is not a downgrade from Wade Davis as far as I can tell.

    • paperlions - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:32 AM

      Well, if the Royals’ goal was to get out of the gutter and plant their asses on the curb. Mission accomplished. The problem with this deal is that in 2 years all they’ll have left from this deal is 1 year of control for Davis (assuming he hasn’t been dealt) and, if they are luck, the memories of an 80 win season.

      Teams with a limited payroll, like the Royals, can not afford to ship off their cheap talent to get older and more expensive.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:42 AM

      If the royals wanted a top of the line pitcher, why’d they trade for Shields who isn’t?

  4. spudchukar - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:36 AM

    Craig, why rub salt into the wound? Some PR stunts are disturbing but taking the high road and refraining from gloating seems to be the wise and prudent choice here.

    • paperlions - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:50 AM

      ..and even if a GM does love the deal for his team professionally…it can still be hard for him personally, he’s known and cheered for these guys for a long time.

      I can’t even imagine what KC fans (are any left?) are feeling right now. If the Cardinals traded Taveras in a deal like this, I’d be speechless, disillusioned, and eventually furious.

      • jwbiii - Dec 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

        Rany Jazayerli’s take:

        Sunday, December 9, 2012
        Complete Analysis of the Myers-Shields Trade.
        This sucks.

        http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/12/complete-analysis-of-myers-shields-trade.html

      • jwbiii - Dec 10, 2012 at 5:17 PM

        C’mon, paperlions asked for a Royals’ fan’s take, and Rany on the Royals is one of the best team specific fan blogs out there. His commenters are pretty good, too. If this isn’t the pulse of what intelligent Royals fans are thinking, it’s pretty close to it.

  5. royalintx - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:56 AM

    I am not happy as a royals fan giving up both Myers and Jake.
    However, using K Law as proof that the royals did something stupid is like using Jimmy Carter quotes about Reagan’s intelligence. Law is so skewed against the Royals that his thoughts are meaningless. Any royals fan paying attention knows that.

    • paperlions - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM

      Oh yes, a “Law hates my team” reference….congrats on being one of those fans who thinks anyone critical of your team is biased. You know…..it isn’t like the Royals have done anything to prove anyone critical of them wrong, because they have sucked for a long time. He is so biased against the Royals that last year he ranked their system 5th in MLB with 5 guys in his top 100. He’s also regularly praised their drafts the last few years.

    • Paul White - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:21 AM

      You do realize the Carter was a nuclear engineer and Reagan was an actor, right?

      • aceshigh11 - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:52 AM

        No, he doesn’t.

        He’s a Republican AND from Texas.

        That’s a special kind of stupid. Facts don’t permeate willful idiocy of that magnitude.

      • lazlosother - Dec 10, 2012 at 9:15 AM

        Carter was not a nuclear engineer. This is a myth. He graduated in ’46 with an undesignated B.S. degree. At the time the Naval Acadamy did not offer nuclear engineering as a major – ships and subs ran on deisel and the Manhatten project was top secret.

        Carter started nuclear power school (a six month course of study that leads to operator training) in March, 1953. In July 1953, his father passed away and he resigned his commission to run the family peanut farm. He was discharged from active duty on 9 October, 1953. There is no record that Carter finished the six month training.

        Carter was a submarine guy and the first nuclear sub went to sea in ’56, he couldn’t have served on it.

        Carter may very well have been more intelligent than Reagan, but he was no engineer, let alone a nuclear engineer.

      • Paul White - Dec 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM

        My apologies, didn’t want to mislead. That’s correct, Carter was not a nuclear engineer. He graduated in the top 10% of his Naval Academy class, was a qualified submarine commander, accepted to the Navy’s nuclear power school, worked for Hyman Rickover in developing training materials for the new nuclear propulsion system and was officer in charge of the US contingent that helped shut down the Chalk River Nuclear Reactor when it melted down.

        But Carter WAS NOT a nuclear engineer. Ronald Reagan WAS an actor.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:28 AM

      So because Law has been critical of your team you think he’s flat lying when he said he spoke with people in the business who hate the deal? Because to discount the tweet I linked here, you have to believe that.

      Folks: there’s a difference between “I think x” and “X happened.” One is an opinion. The other is not.

  6. danielponce - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:04 AM

    lawl. the rays got more value for one pitcher than the marlins got for their entire team. nyuk nyuk nyuk.

  7. mrfloydpink - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM

    Wait a minute. I thought the Royals were the farm team for the Yankees, not the Rays…

    • indaburg - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:19 AM

      New world order.

    • abaird2012 - Dec 10, 2012 at 12:25 PM

      That ended around 1964.

      • raysfan1 - Dec 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM

        Nah, that was the Kansas City A’s back then.

  8. indaburg - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:18 AM

    Price is genuinely sad. He threatened last year that if Shields was traded prior to the trade deadline, he wanted to go with him. I’m a little sad too–Shields did a lot for the Tampa Bay community–but I will comfort myself by watching Meyers hit bombs and carry on. The Royals didn’t get TOTALLY ripped off. They just got ripped off. Shields and Davis are proven talents at the major league level. Totally ripping the Royals off would have involved sneaking in injury prone Niemann into that deal instead of Davis. Now that would have been criminal.

  9. royalintx - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:26 AM

    Law has a 25 year history of snide, childish comments toward the Royals.
    I admit, some are accurate but as a whole he has made it a mission to rip the hometown team just on principal.

    • mrfloydpink - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:48 AM

      What on Earth are you talking about? First of all, why would someone rip the Royals “on principle” (note correct spelling)? Have they done something offensive or wicked? Are they a front for the Klan or something? Is “Royals” secretly a slur on a Native American tribe? Do you even know what that phrase means?

      Second, Keith Law is about my age, so how could he POSSIBLY have a 25-year history of anti-Royals comments? Did ESPN hire him when he was 12?

    • Paul White - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:49 AM

      I disagree. Yes, he’s snide, and that puts a lot of people off, myself included. But he’s also smart, and generally he’s right. And when your team is a target of his snide-ness (snide-ity? snide-itude?) as frequently as the Royals are, it probably means they suck. And hey look, they do.

  10. source7769 - Dec 10, 2012 at 8:51 AM

    hopefully moore gets embarrassed sees what he done and fails one of these guys physicals

  11. xmatt0926x - Dec 10, 2012 at 9:19 AM

    I just think it’s a bad trade because the Royals gave up way too much. People say “but what if that prospect doesn’t pan out?”. I guess I can be looking at this in the wrong way but who cares today about if the prospect pans out 3 years from now. As of 2012 Myers is a blue chip prospect and that holds a certain trade value. If you could have used that trade value in 2012 to get more than you did, then what’s the difference how the prospect turns out down the line? The fact is that today you didn’t get as much as you could have. Shields is a good pitcher but I never understood why he keeps being called an Ace. I guess it’s all in what you feel is an ace. To me, a true #1 is an elite, shut down starter. shields seems like a # 2 or 3 to me. Yeah, maybe Myers is a .250 hitter 3 or so years from now but maybe today you could have received a better package overall. It’s not like you’re adding Shields to a great staff and you’re now poised to win 95 games. They gave up their #1 prospect and still will struggle to be a decent team.

    • holdthebeans - Dec 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM

      The Royals top prospects have been in the big leagues the last couple years. Hosmer, Moose, Cain, Perez. They are ready now to take the next step. We needed pitching not another bat in the lineup. With Santana and now Shields at the top of the rotation along with Guthrie and a very good bullpen look out. Remember Chen was our opening day starter last year. Now he’s the 5th starter where he belongs. One can sit around waiting for prospects forever. We still have the legendary Bubba Starlin wating in the wings too. Our minor league system is far from drained by this trade. We shall see how it works out but this puts KC in play next year. With Chen, Guthrie and Hochever we would be looking at another 70 win year if we’re lucky.

  12. gerryb323 - Dec 10, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    The real question is “What does Rob Neyer think?”

    And I’ll say that I listened to a debate on the trade on the way to work today (Wichita radio) and the opinions are split. A complete Royals homer of a host was over the moon about how this turns the Royals into a playoff team. Had to LOL at that one since I’d already read a bunch of national articles declaring the trade a steal for the Rays.

    On the other hand there was a very good negative caller who pointed out that even if this trade improves the team 13 games (assuming Shields wins 13 more games than the pitcher he replaces…yes, a bad assumption and boo wins as metrics, etc…) they might squeeze into the playoffs but they mortgaged the future. His main point was the Royals were more than a player away from really contending, and probably still are even now.

  13. Old Gator - Dec 10, 2012 at 9:50 AM

    Kansas City is still a better jazz town than St. Petersburg, and there’s nothing in Kansas City as ugly as the Tropicana Dump, except maybe when Kevin Youkilis comes in with a visiting team. But I’m willing to lay odds that Dayton Moore will be looking for a job within two years – and will start collecting social security within a few months of that.

  14. mymaria2012 - Dec 10, 2012 at 7:00 PM

    Reblogged this on Baseball is life…..

    • raysfan1 - Dec 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM

      *yawn

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