Comments on: Watch as the Rays act like they didn’t totally rip the Royals off in the Myers-Shields trade

By: raysfan1

raysfan1 — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 03:51:32 +0000

*yawn

By: raysfan1

raysfan1 — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 03:48:03 +0000

Nah, that was the Kansas City A’s back then.

By: mymaria2012

mymaria2012 — Tue, 11 Dec 2012 00:00:58 +0000

Reblogged this on Baseball is life.....

By: jwbiii

jwbiii — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:17:27 +0000

C’mon, paperlions asked for a Royals’ fan’s take, and Rany on the Royals is one of the best team specific fan blogs out there. His commenters are pretty good, too. If this isn’t the pulse of what intelligent Royals fans are thinking, it’s pretty close to it.

By: holdthebeans

holdthebeans — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:52:11 +0000

The Royals top prospects have been in the big leagues the last couple years. Hosmer, Moose, Cain, Perez. They are ready now to take the next step. We needed pitching not another bat in the lineup. With Santana and now Shields at the top of the rotation along with Guthrie and a very good bullpen look out. Remember Chen was our opening day starter last year. Now he’s the 5th starter where he belongs. One can sit around waiting for prospects forever. We still have the legendary Bubba Starlin wating in the wings too. Our minor league system is far from drained by this trade. We shall see how it works out but this puts KC in play next year. With Chen, Guthrie and Hochever we would be looking at another 70 win year if we’re lucky.

By: tampajoey

tampajoey — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:39:09 +0000

@dcfan4life, so Shields is a “mid level guy”? Is today your first day as a baseball fan?

By: abaird2012

abaird2012 — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:25:39 +0000

That ended around 1964.

By: jwbiii

jwbiii — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:16:27 +0000

Rany Jazayerli’s take:

Sunday, December 9, 2012
Complete Analysis of the Myers-Shields Trade.
This sucks.

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/12/complete-analysis-of-myers-shields-trade.html

By: dcfan4life

dcfan4life — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:27:33 +0000

And the farm system is greatly weakened. Based on the value everyone gave these prospects and what they got in return, awful trade. Even if the prostects end up stinking down the road, this is still a bad trade. Right now there value was better than a mid level guy like Shields and a reliever.

By: Paul White

Paul White — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:12:48 +0000

My apologies, didn’t want to mislead. That’s correct, Carter was not a nuclear engineer. He graduated in the top 10% of his Naval Academy class, was a qualified submarine commander, accepted to the Navy’s nuclear power school, worked for Hyman Rickover in developing training materials for the new nuclear propulsion system and was officer in charge of the US contingent that helped shut down the Chalk River Nuclear Reactor when it melted down.

But Carter WAS NOT a nuclear engineer. Ronald Reagan WAS an actor.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:50:46 +0000

Kansas City is still a better jazz town than St. Petersburg, and there’s nothing in Kansas City as ugly as the Tropicana Dump, except maybe when Kevin Youkilis comes in with a visiting team. But I’m willing to lay odds that Dayton Moore will be looking for a job within two years – and will start collecting social security within a few months of that.

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:49:06 +0000

I just checked the career numbers for Shields and Greinke. They are incredibly similar. Based on salaries, Shield is a much better bargain. I like the way the Royals have taken care of their main weakness. The rotation is greatly improved.

By: gerryb323

gerryb323 — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:48:03 +0000

The real question is “What does Rob Neyer think?”

And I’ll say that I listened to a debate on the trade on the way to work today (Wichita radio) and the opinions are split. A complete Royals homer of a host was over the moon about how this turns the Royals into a playoff team. Had to LOL at that one since I’d already read a bunch of national articles declaring the trade a steal for the Rays.

On the other hand there was a very good negative caller who pointed out that even if this trade improves the team 13 games (assuming Shields wins 13 more games than the pitcher he replaces…yes, a bad assumption and boo wins as metrics, etc…) they might squeeze into the playoffs but they mortgaged the future. His main point was the Royals were more than a player away from really contending, and probably still are even now.

By: xmatt0926x

xmatt0926x — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:19:11 +0000

I just think it’s a bad trade because the Royals gave up way too much. People say “but what if that prospect doesn’t pan out?”. I guess I can be looking at this in the wrong way but who cares today about if the prospect pans out 3 years from now. As of 2012 Myers is a blue chip prospect and that holds a certain trade value. If you could have used that trade value in 2012 to get more than you did, then what’s the difference how the prospect turns out down the line? The fact is that today you didn’t get as much as you could have. Shields is a good pitcher but I never understood why he keeps being called an Ace. I guess it’s all in what you feel is an ace. To me, a true #1 is an elite, shut down starter. shields seems like a # 2 or 3 to me. Yeah, maybe Myers is a .250 hitter 3 or so years from now but maybe today you could have received a better package overall. It’s not like you’re adding Shields to a great staff and you’re now poised to win 95 games. They gave up their #1 prospect and still will struggle to be a decent team.

By: lazlosother

lazlosother — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:15:06 +0000

Carter was not a nuclear engineer. This is a myth. He graduated in ’46 with an undesignated B.S. degree. At the time the Naval Acadamy did not offer nuclear engineering as a major – ships and subs ran on deisel and the Manhatten project was top secret.

Carter started nuclear power school (a six month course of study that leads to operator training) in March, 1953. In July 1953, his father passed away and he resigned his commission to run the family peanut farm. He was discharged from active duty on 9 October, 1953. There is no record that Carter finished the six month training.

Carter was a submarine guy and the first nuclear sub went to sea in ’56, he couldn’t have served on it.

Carter may very well have been more intelligent than Reagan, but he was no engineer, let alone a nuclear engineer.

By: aceshigh11

aceshigh11 — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:52:39 +0000

No, he doesn’t.

He’s a Republican AND from Texas.

That’s a special kind of stupid. Facts don’t permeate willful idiocy of that magnitude.

By: source7769

source7769 — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:51:32 +0000

hopefully moore gets embarrassed sees what he done and fails one of these guys physicals

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:40 +0000

I will say one positive thing about Shields. In my mind he is a very similar pitcher to Greinke and is much cheaper. The onus on the Royals is to sign him to an extension.

By: Paul White

Paul White — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:39 +0000

I disagree. Yes, he’s snide, and that puts a lot of people off, myself included. But he’s also smart, and generally he’s right. And when your team is a target of his snide-ness (snide-ity? snide-itude?) as frequently as the Royals are, it probably means they suck. And hey look, they do.

By: mrfloydpink

mrfloydpink — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:56 +0000

What on Earth are you talking about? First of all, why would someone rip the Royals “on principle” (note correct spelling)? Have they done something offensive or wicked? Are they a front for the Klan or something? Is “Royals” secretly a slur on a Native American tribe? Do you even know what that phrase means?

Second, Keith Law is about my age, so how could he POSSIBLY have a 25-year history of anti-Royals comments? Did ESPN hire him when he was 12?

By: Craig Calcaterra

Craig Calcaterra — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:28:33 +0000

So because Law has been critical of your team you think he’s flat lying when he said he spoke with people in the business who hate the deal? Because to discount the tweet I linked here, you have to believe that.

Folks: there’s a difference between “I think x” and “X happened.” One is an opinion. The other is not.

By: royalintx

royalintx — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:26:26 +0000

Law has a 25 year history of snide, childish comments toward the Royals.
I admit, some are accurate but as a whole he has made it a mission to rip the hometown team just on principal.

By: Paul White

Paul White — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:21:23 +0000

You do realize the Carter was a nuclear engineer and Reagan was an actor, right?

By: indaburg

indaburg — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:19:42 +0000

New world order.

By: indaburg

indaburg — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:18:30 +0000

Price is genuinely sad. He threatened last year that if Shields was traded prior to the trade deadline, he wanted to go with him. I’m a little sad too–Shields did a lot for the Tampa Bay community–but I will comfort myself by watching Meyers hit bombs and carry on. The Royals didn’t get TOTALLY ripped off. They just got ripped off. Shields and Davis are proven talents at the major league level. Totally ripping the Royals off would have involved sneaking in injury prone Niemann into that deal instead of Davis. Now that would have been criminal.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:13:41 +0000

Oh yes, a “Law hates my team” reference….congrats on being one of those fans who thinks anyone critical of your team is biased. You know…..it isn’t like the Royals have done anything to prove anyone critical of them wrong, because they have sucked for a long time. He is so biased against the Royals that last year he ranked their system 5th in MLB with 5 guys in his top 100. He’s also regularly praised their drafts the last few years.

By: mrfloydpink

mrfloydpink — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:13:00 +0000

Wait a minute. I thought the Royals were the farm team for the Yankees, not the Rays…

By: danielponce

danielponce — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:04:26 +0000

lawl. the rays got more value for one pitcher than the marlins got for their entire team. nyuk nyuk nyuk.

By: royalintx

royalintx — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:56:27 +0000

I am not happy as a royals fan giving up both Myers and Jake.
However, using K Law as proof that the royals did something stupid is like using Jimmy Carter quotes about Reagan’s intelligence. Law is so skewed against the Royals that his thoughts are meaningless. Any royals fan paying attention knows that.

By: paperlions

paperlions — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:50:42 +0000

..and even if a GM does love the deal for his team professionally…it can still be hard for him personally, he’s known and cheered for these guys for a long time.

I can’t even imagine what KC fans (are any left?) are feeling right now. If the Cardinals traded Taveras in a deal like this, I’d be speechless, disillusioned, and eventually furious.