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Everyone’s sorry about how Michael Young’s situation played out in Texas

Dec 11, 2012, 9:04 AM EDT

Michael Young dugout

Richard Durrett of ESPN Dallas has an in-depth story about Michael Young‘s departure from Texas and all of the drama that surrounded his final three years with the Rangers.

Interesting: Jon Daniels admits that he didn’t handle things well following Young’s trade demand in the 2010-11 offseason following the team’s pickup of Adrian Beltre. Daniels doesn’t elaborate, but he said he learned a lot then and, as of now, no longer discusses the status of current players with the media.

Also interesting: Young admits that he didn’t handle things well when he was moved to third base off shortstop prior to the 2009 season after Elvis Andrus was given the starting shortstop gig. That precipitated an earlier trade demand. Now, however, he says that “if I could go back in time, I would have embraced it as a great challenge.”

Seems like a lot of reasonableness is afoot. Young says, however, that he has no relationship with the Rangers’ front office and, prior to the trade to Philly, had told them to deal only through his agent.

I would assume that all of this will be forgotten in a couple of years when Young returns to Texas as a coach, goodwill ambassador or — depending on how he does in Philly — a bench guy/DH playing out the remainder of his career where he was always happiest, front office strife or not.

UPDATE:  This is interesting. The comments from Young about his regret in the way he handled his trade demand before the 2009 season came from his press conference with the Phillies yesterday. These comments are getting big play in stories like the linked one here from Durrett.  Absent from most of the writeups, however, were a comment Young made about how he handled his second trade demand, in the 2010-11 offseason:


Interesting how that — which would otherwise be a juicy quote — doesn’t make most of these stories.

  1. greymares - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:21 AM

    I’m guessing Philly’s not sorry.

    • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:25 AM


    • phillyphreak - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:39 AM

      I’m so confused by the general Phillies fan acceptance of this deal. Sure, he could be in for a rebound offensively. And 6 million in this market might not be that much, all things being considered this off-season. But he’s atrocious in the field…that alone could totally wipe out all of his potential “offensive rebound.” So that would make him, for another year, worse than a replacement player that would have cost them less than 6 million.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:19 AM

        In a word – options. They still have a Frandsen/Galvis platoon tandem if Young goes South, and if that doesn’t work, they have financial felxibility to make a move and pick up someone else.

        I am not syaing he will workout, butat the same tiem, I don’t understand all teh nay-sayers who think they made a major commitment they are locked into. I don’t see this as a “sink or swim” situation with Young

      • greymares - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM

        Where were they going to go there was 2 options Young or Youk

      • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:42 AM

        Stop ignoring all of the better and often cheaper options. Chavez has been a better player than Young and signed for < 1/2 what the Phillies are paying (which is actually $7.2M as they are picking up the tab for Young's PA state taxes). Reynolds would have been a better 3B option and he signed a 1 year deal. Youk would have been a better option. I would be surprised if Youngs production isn't last out of those 4 options.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM

        @paper – you can say it until you are blue in the face, but you are still wrong. The Philleis are paying Young $6 million.

        “The Rangers will reportedly pay $10 million of Young’s $16 million salary in 2013. Texas also paid Young a further $1.2 million to get him to waive his no-trade clause”

      • phillyphreak - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:05 AM

        But one problem with that is you need to hope the Phillies do a better job than Ron Washington at benching Young when he gets to that point. If not, they’re giving away PAs to a big time lineup killer.

        Also there is the concern about Youngs home road splits. Jay Jaffe wrote a nice piece the other day that suggested CBP will hurt Young’s offensive production while Arlington actually helped.

      • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:10 AM

        I guess they need to have a staff meeting and get their facts straight:

        “The Rangers are paying $10 million of the $16 million Young is owed in 2013; the Phils, meanwhile, agreed to pay $1.2 million to Young for him to waive a no-trade clause.”

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM

        Ok – surely you will not dispute the Phillies web site:

        “The Phillies will pay $5.5 million of the $16 million Young will make in the final year of his contract next season. In addition, the teams will split the additional $1.2 million that Young negotiated to accept the trade, in part to cover the difference in state income tax between Texas and Pennsylvania.”

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM

        Chavez has been a better player than Young and signed for < 1/2 what the Phillies are paying

        This is true, but there’s a giant issue overlooking this comparison in that Young, while inferior, is almost guaranteed to give you a full year’s worth of PA/defense. Who knows if Chavez can stay healthy the entire year if he’s given a full time role? I can’t find the link anymore, but there was a post linked on that talked about the almost full day workout he has to do to keep his back warm so he doesn’t injure himself. If he’s starting a 7pm game, he gets up at 8am to start getting ready. It’s insane.

  2. yahmule - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:28 AM

    I wonder if Washington is sorry he wasted 651 plate appearances on a guy who posted a WAR of -2.4 and an OPS+ of 78.

    • dawgpoundmember - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:33 AM

      I wonder if managers really do look at advanced stats at the end of the year.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:03 AM

      I really don’t think managers think like that.

      • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM

        Not all of them, certainly.

      • yahmule - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:16 AM

        No, they think, “I can’t bench this stiff because the fans and media hacks will crucify me”.

  3. illcomm - Dec 11, 2012 at 9:55 AM

    can someone please reference a stat other than WAR when trying to bash young. he’ have better pitching infront of him, betting fielding outfielders behind him and will be replaced late in hames. oh yeah he will just play one position too and be able to focus on that one position. advanced stats are cool and so provide much more insight into a players ability. the unhappiness if being replaced by beltre bothered him mentally. yeah his defense wont be that of a 25 year old, but his offense and leadership will more than make up for that. I wish people would reference stats like nighttime batting average and such and not just WAR bWAR aWAR or whatever else people want to make up. looking over the last few years, the teams with the highest nightime batting avg have gone the furthest in the playoff. people read stats and use them a bunch in comments without actually relati.g the two to team performance. yeah youngs war might be negative last year, but what intangibles r the rangers losing by giving their team captain up. that is the real stat that can’t be measured till after the year.

    • koufaxmitzvah - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:04 AM

      WAR. What’s it good for?

      Absolutely nothing.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:09 AM

        At this point, we should be able to do a call and response thing on this…

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:21 AM

        Say it, say it A-GAIN!!

        WAR! Huah! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

    • historiophiliac - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:08 AM

      I feel a little sorry for you because you don’t know it yet, but the paperlions are going to eat you alive.

      • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:45 AM

        Nah, even lions have dietary restrictions and avoid certain meats to avoid gastrointestinal distress.

      • cur68 - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

        Don’t believe him! ‘lions is very deceptive. Even as I type I’m sure he’s scribbled a note in his agenda (which he keeps next to his manifesto) that reads “illcomm: have for breakfast”. If I were you illcomm, I’d dip myself in syrup of figs. Your only revenge will be to give him diarrhea.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM

        Or, seal blubber, whatever. I hear that clears you right out.

    • Alex K - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:25 AM

      OBP- .312
      SLG- .370
      WOBA- .297
      wRC+- 78
      ISO- .093

      Do those work? What about in 2009 and 2010 when he only played 3B and his UZR/150 was -9.6 and -5.8? He was younger and focusing on only one postion and he still stunk at it.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:37 AM

        WOBA? Wasn’t he in Star Wars?

        I just wish people would realize that Michael Young is clearly worse then Kevin Frandsen, and that in the history of baseball, there is zero instances of a player leaving an unhappy situation an rebounding.

        Now can we stop arguing?

    • tmohr - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:26 AM

      He slugged .370 as a full-time DH last season.

      How’s that?

      • yahmule - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM

        Sounds like a backup middle infielder in 1968.

    • fanofevilempire - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

      there are many wars going on, which are talking of??

      I hate ALL those new stats non athletes sit around making up to judge athletes by, all the while
      ignoring what you see in front of you.

      I wonder how many stats Derek Jeter and his cinco championships would sit on top of, most
      likely none.

      oh boy!

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:46 PM

        I hate ALL those new information non doctors sit around making up to judge things by, all the while ignoring what you see in front of you. Quantum Mechanics, what happened to using leeches to cure blood diseases

        See how dumb that sounds in other areas of life?

  4. lewp - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:18 AM

    As a Rangers fan, I can tell you that I dreaded seeing MY come to the plate this past season. Yes, he’s a great guy, yes, he holds many Rangers records…but the guy did not hit. Couple his at bat with Josh Hamilton swinging at anything that moved, and you can get an understanding why the Rangers folded down the stretch. Even more frustrating is Wash wouldn’t bench the guy…and he had Prufore sitting on the bench. I hope the best for michael, but I’m glad this scenerio is brokn up now.

  5. hardjudge - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:38 AM

    There was a reason we called him AO for automatic out.

  6. mungman69 - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:52 AM

    It will be interesting to see how this works out but the Phillies still have other issues to deal with. They still need a top flight right handed hitting outfielder and they have to address the bullpen from either their minor league or a trade. And of course they have a number of aging stars. If their older guys have good years and don’t get hurt (good luck) the Phils will make a run. 81-81 again this year looks about right.

    • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:12 AM

      They also have KK as their #4 starter right now and no one penciled in for the #5 spot.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM

        Why would they need to name a #5 starter two full months before Spring Traing Starts?

      • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM

        I am just saying, they don’t currently have one…so it is a need to fill from within the organization or via FA/trade…obviously, this isn’t who they are going into the season with…one would hope.

  7. pinkfloydprism - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:54 AM

    I am not sorry…

  8. mungman69 - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Let’s watch him play. Then we will know.

  9. fanofevilempire - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:58 PM


    you seem to be very confused you idiot schmuck, we are talking baseball.
    stay on topic, maybe we can slow down for you. ya jackass!

    • Alex K - Dec 11, 2012 at 3:09 PM

      Yes, he’s the one that is being a total jackass in this case. Couldn’t be you….no Couldn’t be.

    • paperlions - Dec 11, 2012 at 3:16 PM

      You probably haven’t noticed, but it is you that has chosen not to keep up….it isn’t even that you got left behind, you decided to jump off the train.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 11, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      I am on topic. You are bitching about new found information in the game of baseball. What’s wrong with finding ways to better understand the game (hence the science analogy)? And the Derek Jeter comment is hilarious. You really want to use a guy who you could argue as a top 5 shortstop in history through stats as the anti-stat posterboy? I mean, it’s dumb enough you bring up rings as if it’s a sign of ability…

  10. Francisco (FC) - Dec 11, 2012 at 8:45 PM

    I can imagine Montgomery talking to Ruben about this trade: “When I said the team needed to get young, That’s NOT what I was talking about.

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