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R.A. Dickey is not pleased with the Mets

Dec 11, 2012, 11:02 AM EST

Wait, so you’re telling me that being an elf doesn’t smooth everything over? I’m shocked:

Rubin went on to tweet that Dickey said “he has been more than generous,” that he has “extended olive branch” and that he’s “disappointed.”

Pay the man, Sandy (UPDATE: OK, it may not be Sandy’s fault). Just pay the man. He’s not asking for anything unreasonable. You can pay him a bit more than what Joe freakin’ Blanton is making. As it is now, the most popular member of your team, who happens to be the best pitcher on your team, has been reduced to begging for a below-market deal in the media.  Just disgraceful.

  1. natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM

    Boy, am I in the minority here. Never liked Dickey, big publicity hound. In the end, he just wants his ego and his wallet fed like everyone else. Not saying he shouldn’t get it, but his sanctimonious act always bothered me.

    • albertmn - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM

      Yep, you are in the minority.

    • bigblue617 - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM

      Ok Fred

    • rayfeathers - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

      i agree. he has one good year and now he’s hot shit? he’ ll NEVER have a year like that again. total fluke.

      • ptfu - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

        He was pretty good in 2010 and 2011 too. Even if the Mets expect him to put up 2010-2011 numbers, he would still be worth it.

      • deadeyedesign23 - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        That was his 3rd good year in a row.

      • georgebrett - Dec 11, 2012 at 1:21 PM

        1 good year? Well, we all know you don’t know much about baseball.

    • indaburg - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM

      Yeah, I would say you are in the minority. The man’s not being greedy relatively speaking in baseball terms. Of course he wants to get paid. He makes the Mets a lot of money. He toiled around the minors for most of his career making very little. What he wants is pretty reasonable. His career number are’t great (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1245&position=P), but most of that is pre-knuckleball.

      As for his “act”, I just finished his book. There’s more religiosity than suits my personal beliefs, but I respect his thoughts on it and he’s not making a big show about it like Tebow. If you read it, I think you’ll change your mind about him having an “act.” He’s no saint, and he would likely be the first to admit it, but he has his heart in the right place. He’s pursuing authenticity, a valid quest for most people.

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

        “pursuing authenticity”? Really? Retch. If that’s his “quest”, $15MM couldn’t persuade me to read his book. I saw him on Jon Stewart, that was puh-lenty for me. Send him to California where they adore that tripe.

      • indaburg - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        Ouch. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed? You gotta bring the entire state of California into this too? I saw his interview on Stewart too, and he came across as pretty likeable. I did forget one thing. Authenticity is not cool. Snark, irony, sarcasm, all cool.

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM

        If you read my post, I said he should get paid. But a lot of guys “toil around the minors” making very little, and also don’t make much in their pre-FA years. That’s the system, and if you get injured before you get to free agency, it pretty much stinks.

        I don’t understand why a guy saying he’ll be a goner in FA if he doesn’t get the extension he wants is a “pointed” remark. It’s a fact. Dickey doesn’t owe any loyalty to the Mets, nor they to him. They might get a better season out of him without the extension, since he’ll be plenty motivated to get another Cy Young.

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:13 PM

        inda, it’s not a “side of the bed” thing. I don’t like Dickey, as a person. Dickey has made his private persona public, and what he’s shown me, well, it’s not to my taste.

        As a player, I think he’s excellent, and should get paid according to how his employers and the market assesses his value, just like other baseball players. In my opinion, that’s a fairly high value, despite his age. He’s shown he is a quality pitcher. I’m not on the side of the Mets organization here, but to say they are “reducing a guy to begging for a below market deal”??? Come on!! They did the same BS with Wright, and look how that turned out. There are no tragedies being enacted here.

      • indaburg - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

        My response was basically to you calling him sanctimonious– hypocritically pious. I don’t see any evidence of hypocrisy. His words and deeds match up well (cur below did a good job of listing his good works, none of which he speaks of in the book). I have a cynical side and I’m especially suspicious of the religiously devout, but he seems to be the real deal. I could be wrong, but so far, he checks out okay to me.

        It is of course your right not to like anyone. In this case, I find some of your reasons lacking validity, but we’re both entitled to our opinions. No holiday cards from the Dickeys to you, missy.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM

        @natslady – wow, and you thought Phillies fans were rough on you.

        Anyway….does Dickey deserve more or less per year then Dan Haren?

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM

        Delaware–not a problem! I opened myself up for it. On a one-year deal, if they were both free agents, with Haren coming off injury, and Dickey coming off Cy Young–even though he also was apparently pitching through injury–I would give more $$ to Dickey. Unfortunately for Dickey, he isn’t a free agent, so he can only negotiate with the Mets, and he can only negotiate for an extension. Same if Haren were looking for a three-year deal, he wouldn’t get it from me because he has to show he can come back from the bad year.

        The question will be, and it will be an interesting one, if Haren and Dickey both have good years, but Dickey has a better one, which could easily happen, who gets more in 2014?

        Inda, hypocrisy means that a person is lying about what he did (i.e., pretending to have done good deeds when one hasn’t). I didn’t say Dickey was a hypocrite. I just don’t have any interest in hearing about his good deeds, his quests, his struggles, etc. when I assess his baseball skills or the market for them.

      • indaburg - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

        The definition of sanctimonious according to Merriam Webster is hypocritically pious or devout. Perhaps you meant to use a different word.

        To determine his skills, we don’t need to know anything about his good works. His xFIP and BABIP are not influenced by his rescuing orphaned kittens from land mines.

        On the other hand, all of that seemingly superfluous stuff does improve his marketability of said skills. Most people like him. They can relate to the underdog. People will pay money to see him because he is skilled and likable.

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 4:11 PM

        ok, inda, scrap ‘sanctimonious’ and go with ‘pretentious.’ Anyone who describes himself as on a “quest pursuing authenticity” is pretentious in my opinion.

    • cur68 - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM

      A person COULD see it your way, I guess. RA DIckey does seem to be in the news a lot getting a pretty regular tongue bath. BUT I think If there was not much to this and he was a pretty weak guy in other areas, we’d see some evidence, don’t you think? There’d certainly be minimal effort behind it.

      But this was the guy who climbed Mount Kilimanjaro to raise awareness and money for the Bombay Teen Challenge (and, as charities go, they don’t get more worthy than that one). He won the Branch Ricky Award for his co-founded a charity (that one distributes baseball equipment and medical supplies around the world) AND the hard work to master the most difficult pitch in baseball, AND the last 3 seasons of being awesome at baseball AND the English Lit degree . . . well he’s not some stuffed shirt jock who thinks he’s been dipped in awesome sauce so he doesn’t have to try. I’ll take my chances on him being all right.

      • stex52 - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM

        Cur, I don’t read many sports-oriented books these days because I am just too busy. But you just made a pretty good case yourself. My guess is the guy is OK.

        HAVING SAID THAT, I don’t have any trouble with what the Mets are doing. He’s under contract for another year. And they won’t be good again before he has retired anyway.

        It isn’t pretty, nor does it seem terribly fair, but it is a business.

      • cur68 - Dec 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

        I LOVE what the Mets are doing. The might just trade him rather than sign him. Who’s out there with what the perennially re-building Mets want? My Boys. My Boys who could just do with a stud pitcher.

        The only reason the Mets might want RA is that he puts butts in seats. Like Wright, people come to watch him play. But the Mets are not contending next season. They lack too many parts. What are they thinking, jerking around like this?
        In my mind it breaks down thusly:

        Money wise? Keep him, but only at a reduced price or for the length of the contract.

        Fan wise? Keep. Butts in seats. Good PR. Brings in dough.

        Re-build and make a run in 2 – 3 seasons? Trade now for good, young value.

        I’m sure that’s the running argument right now in Mets Central (headquartered in Wilpon’s basement Man-Cave, I’m sure).

      • indaburg - Dec 11, 2012 at 1:04 PM

        Stex, he actually doesn’t talk at all about his charities in the book. He really comes off as authentically (my word of the day) humble. He does go into a lot of detail about mastering the knuckleball and that to me were the best parts of the book. The brotherhood of knuckleballers. It’s good stuff.

        I also think extending Dickey is smart business. I know the Mets are likely not going to be competitive with or without him there, but he puts butts in those seats at Citi Field. Those butts buy beers and hot dogs. His name moves merchandise. The Mets will get their investment back and then some.

      • stex52 - Dec 11, 2012 at 1:34 PM

        Inda,

        You are right, you make a good point. I watched the last couple of years of Biggio’s career, where he could maybe put it together well enough to have about three good games a week. But they made a TON of money off of him for those couple of years.

        Another side to the business equation.

    • paxnov - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM

      Dickey is a Cy Young winning knuckleballer who could pitch another 5 years. Pay him now and wrap him up;or watch the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Rangers & Red Sox all line up to pay him next year. Alternatively, make a trade for a pitcher and outfielder with somebody. Crazy not to keep him though.

  2. joshfrancis50 - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:22 AM

    Because he isn’t a “traditional” pitcher you can’t really know what you are getting with him. As a knuckleballer, the advanced saber-stats don’t tell a very accurate picture of what he is and what he may be, I don’t blame the Mets here. There have surely been success stories with knuckleballers pitching into their 40s, but couldn’t he just as easily suck next year?

    What the Mets DO know is that he’s 38 without a ton of success in his career until very recently. Doesn’t seem like throwing a lot of money at a player “just because” makes a great deal of sense. And say what you want about Joe “Freakin” Blanton, but he’s a more known quantity than Dickey.

    I like Dickey; he’s fun to watch and seems like a really great guy, but I can’t say the Mets are wrong not to give him more money.

  3. greymares - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

    memo to R.A.Dickey grab the 25 mil your not that good.

    • mrfloydpink - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      I know that I, for one, prefer to take advice on big decisions from someone who has not grasped the difference between your and you’re.

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM

        Thanks for letting us know you approve of greymare’s grammar–or his advice.

      • bravojawja - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM

        If you can’t grasp elementary school spelling and grammar, you have no business giving anyone advice on anything.

      • mrfloydpink - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:48 PM

        Thank you bravojawja, my point exactly. While I don’t want to be a grammar nazi, I find it hard to take someone seriously when they display such a profound ignorance of the English language. It’s one thing to struggle with the proper usage of, say, lie and lay, which is pretty tricky. It’s another to be unaware of what is almost literally the first rule of English grammar.

        And natslady, perhaps the overwhelming number of thumbs down to your various comments will suggest to you that your sanctimony and your bigotry (snidely slurring all Californians, for example) don’t really play around here.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Dec 11, 2012 at 1:56 PM

        I agree with you on Dickey’s value, but find it riducluous that people try to make their point with spell/grammar checks.

        So are we to believe you would agree with him had he said “you’re” rather than “your”? Do you correct the grammar of people whose posts you agree with?

        Your being petty!

      • stex52 - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:00 PM

        “…with whose posts you disagree?” Sorry. Couldn’t resist. :-)

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:20 PM

        Yes, but, mrfloydpink, you said it backwards. I ASSUME you mean you prefer NOT to take advice from someone who has not grasped the difference between your and you’re. What you ACTUALLY said was that you prefer to take advice from people like greymares.

        Ya needed a double negative there.

        Just speaking as one snide person to another…

      • greymares - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:22 PM

        Kiss my Ass, wait is that to many s’s.

      • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:43 PM

        Thank you bravojawja, my point exactly. While I don’t want to be a grammar nazi, I find it hard to take someone seriously when they display such a profound ignorance of the English language. It’s one thing to struggle with the proper usage of, say, lie and lay, which is pretty tricky. It’s another to be unaware of what is almost literally the first rule of English grammar.

        So, let me see if I have this straight. Don’t take advice from a person who stated his case clearly but who, even though he or she may know the difference between them, typed “your” instead of “you’re.” Do take advice from a person who can’t construct a sentence so that its meaning is clear. Got it.

        As for California… ;)

      • mrfloydpink - Dec 11, 2012 at 7:27 PM

        @ natslady: Your reading comprehension isn’t very good, is it? If you can’t detect the sarcastic tone implied by the wording of my sentence, then that’s on you. At least 50 other people grasped the concept, so it clearly wasn’t too hard. Let’s try it this way: “Wow! Brilliant insight from someone who can’t punctuate you’re correctly.” Did you get the trick this time? Hint: I don’t actually think his insight is brilliant.

        @ DelawarePhilliesFan: Perhaps a single grammar error is not fatal to a person’s point. But you’re damn right that a comment that is barely literate–as this one is–is not going to be taken nearly as seriously as one that is well written. Even allowing for a certain informality, this 13 word sentence has at least four or five grammar problems.

        @ greymares: It is richly ironic that your snotty remark about your vs. you’re reveals that you also don’t grasp the difference between to and too.

      • stlouis1baseball - Dec 12, 2012 at 4:49 PM

        Floyd: Please tell me “you’re” not serious with this grammar police bullshit.

  4. bluburt - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    Yeah, posting a 3 ERA and 1.1 Whip over his last 600 innings is garbage…

    Of course the Mets don’t need this scrub…

  5. mrhojorisin - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

    The article you link to, Craig, is right on. It’s hypocritical for the Mets to market Dickey to other teams in trade talks as a Cy Young winner (and to their fans, for that matter), yet to balk at paying him like one, fluke season or not. It’s frustrating and small-minded and I’m also getting tired of hearing about the Mets’ rotation depth. Anybody remember the scramble last year to find a decent #5 after Gee went down?? Pay this guy; he’s a fan favorite, reflects well on the organization and has had three solid years pitching for this franchise.

  6. ryanrockzzz - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:44 AM

    This whole Dickey thing does not make sense to me either. In my opinion the Mets are smart to hold off locking up a 38 year old pitcher. The knuckleball is something that can extend career logevity, but fora franchise with a history of bad contracts, holding off may be the best thing they can do. They’ll have him for this year, and if he goes out and wins another 20 games, then they can step up and bid for him if they want to, at this point I’m sure it’s all about the money to him anyway, since he may only have another year or two to make it.

  7. kkolchak - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

    Boy the Mets really take the cake don’t they? They go from giving Bobby Bonilla a ridiculous contract that gives him deferred payments until the sun burns out to now playing hardball on giving their best pitcher an extra amount that adds up to what a decent middle reliever costs for a couple of years. Here’s the math: 5 more years of annual payments to Bobby Bo to play golf every day in retirement = the difference between what Dickey has asked for and the Mets’ offer.

    Hope Wright enjoys the prestige of being the highest paid Met ever, because for the next few years it looks like its going to be him and 24 guys named Moe.

  8. sdelmonte - Dec 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM

    Disgraceful? Not compared to the things in the news that are truly disgraces (and post-Sandy, the NYC area has seen a few). This is just disappointing. RA may or may not deserve the money, but I never find fights over contracts in sports to be disgraceful.

  9. cackalackyank - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM

    In years past I would have drawn the inevitable comparison to the team across town from the Mets, but this year who the heck knows. Since Dickey is a knuckleballer there is precedent to say that he may be far from done, also he DID just win the Cy Young award…if that doesn’t get you a payday what does?

  10. blockedshotnyr - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM

    Trade him – what good is he when you’re not competing until 2014-2015 – get pieces – his value will NEVER be higher.

    • bravojawja - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM

      Butts in seats. In the end, it’s all about getting people to pay for your product, and right now there are two reasons to watch the Mets: David Wright and RA Dickey.

      In that sense, Dickey is grossly underpaid for what he brings to the franchise even before you take into account his performance on the field.

  11. thebadguyswon - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:29 PM

    Ha Natslady! Wouldn’t still be disgruntled by that Cy Young voting would ya?

    • natslady - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:29 PM

      Well, there was a case for Gio, but I do think Dickey had the better case, objectively, on the stats. I rooted for Gio, but it was Dickey’s year, and that’s even without him being a saint.

  12. thebadguyswon - Dec 11, 2012 at 12:31 PM

    Not that good. That’s hilarious. What a bunch of mouth breathers here.

    • stlouis1baseball - Dec 12, 2012 at 4:53 PM

      mouth-breather:
      “A term used by intolerant people or by the elite, who find some need, probably from a lack of self esteem, to marginalize someone whose opinion differs from their own. Usually they would define a mouth breather as someone who is to stupid to “get it”. A socially backward individual.”

      On a side note: This is used so much it now carries zero meaning. It’s a “clown term”….”bro.”

  13. kennethetucker - Dec 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM

    Note: This CY Winner disappointed w/ $25mil/3y ‘thread’ is occurring in real time, parallel to a same day conversation on the same blog as > ‘Dodgers Could Make Kershaw Baseball’s First $30-Million-a-Year Pitcher’.

    Irony not lost on me. What’s wrong w/ all you anti-Dickey folks? Seriously. The guys wins 20, the CY Young on a team that game him virtually no run support, w/o an effing bullpen (shoulda been a Guidry-esqe year wining 25+) and no one can see the LUNACY of the CY Young runner up (read: loser) getting $30mil/yr / a Mil a week for the season – and – Dickey being bitch-slapped w/ an ‘offer’ that’s 1/4 of said loser’s potential package?!

    The ONLY reason I watched Mets games last year after the All Star break 9when the Mets had an opportunity to spend, shore up a bullpen and have a shot @ the division/playoffs and, refused to ‘invest’ in the team/season) was for Dickey’s ‘lift’ and to see how the bullpen was gonna meltdown, again in every other game he wasn’t in.

    No offense David. But if the Mets don’t ‘invest’ in this special pitcher; who likely has 10y PLUS to go w/that pitch and no ligaments to blow out [think Jamie Moyer but w/ an unhittable 85mph pitch] – I’m outtie the fan base and I’LL ‘invest’ in an MLB package so I can watch ‘small ball’ (National League) somewhere else where they ARE investing in the team: Pittsburgh, Giants, etc and hope I ‘catch’ Dickey when he comes to town there.

    Seriously.

    • richyballgame - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM

      Down the road,I don’t think he’ll be throwing it 85mph in a few years,he’ll most likely be in the mid to high 70s.

    • The Dangerous Mabry - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM

      No run support? Dickey received an average of 4.61 runs of support per game, putting him 15th in the National League. That’s not a guy who had no run support.

      Bullpen issues? I took a run through his game log just now, and couldn’t find any evidence that the Mets’ poor bullpen was taking wins away from him at all.

      Dickey had a great year, no question. But don’t make the case that he got robbed. He only had 23 starts with a game score of at least 50, which is representative of a quality start. His record in those 23 games was 18-1. This isn’t a guy whose team screwed him out of wins.

      I think the assertion that he’s got 10 plus more years is also likely to disappoint, given that the only players since 1980 to play at age 47 are Julio Franco, Jamie Moyer, and Phil Niekro. It’s just not something you can count on.

      Does Dickey have value? Yes. Is there any chance he could be traded for Clayton Kershaw? Absolutely not. Dickey is FOURTEEN years older, and Kershaw still has the longer history of impressive pitching. There’s an enormous difference between the values of these players, and it’s clearly represented by the fact that the Mets haven’t been able to find a whole lot of trade value for Dickey in the marketplace.

      If teams aren’t that interested in trading for him, his value simply isn’t that high. And if his value isn’t that high, then you don’t need to pay him that much.

      It’s just business.

      • kennethetucker - Dec 12, 2012 at 1:44 AM

        Can’t argue w/ your numbers, I don’t have access/am not gonna dig.

        Others #’$ > MLB FAR Report says he’s worth $16.5M/yr

        And, because I saw almost every game he pitched, I CAN tell you that 4.61 didn’t translate on the field in games he SHOULD have won; miscues; Ike Davis power ‘black hole’ in the lineup; and a bullpen that he had to lobby against handing games to, which meant in games were he on a team w/ a legit setup man and closer, he WOULD have nailed down a 25+ win year.

        It IS a ‘business’ and it’s bad business to sh*t on CY Young producers. It’s also a ‘game’ that requires asses in seats and I reiterate; if the Mets don’t pay him, or trade him, there will be fewer of those asses in seats AND one of those ‘missing’ will be mine.

  14. richyballgame - Dec 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    I’d go 3 years $35 million for Dickey,it’s near what he wants per year, with an option for $12 million for 4th year.

  15. fissels - Dec 11, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Get out of there as soon you can R.A.. Bad organization, Bad Owners

  16. paxnov - Dec 11, 2012 at 10:16 PM

    Dickey is a Cy Young winning knuckleballer who could pitch another 5 years. Pay him now and wrap him up;or watch the Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Rangers & Red Sox all line up to pay him next year. Alternatively, make a trade for a pitcher and outfielder with somebody. Crazy not to keep him though.

  17. Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order - Dec 12, 2012 at 3:35 AM

    Neither am I.

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