On a side note: This is used so much it now carries zero meaning. It’s a “clown term”….”bro.”

Others #’$ > MLB FAR Report says he’s worth $16.5M/yr

And, because I saw almost every game he pitched, I CAN tell you that 4.61 didn’t translate on the field in games he SHOULD have won; miscues; Ike Davis power ‘black hole’ in the lineup; and a bullpen that he had to lobby against handing games to, which meant in games were he on a team w/ a legit setup man and closer, he WOULD have nailed down a 25+ win year.

It IS a ‘business’ and it’s bad business to sh*t on CY Young producers. It’s also a ‘game’ that requires asses in seats and I reiterate; if the Mets don’t pay him, or trade him, there will be fewer of those asses in seats AND one of those ‘missing’ will be mine.

@ DelawarePhilliesFan: Perhaps a single grammar error is not fatal to a person’s point. But you’re damn right that a comment that is barely literate–as this one is–is not going to be taken nearly as seriously as one that is well written. Even allowing for a certain informality, this 13 word sentence has at least four or five grammar problems.

@ greymares: It is richly ironic that your snotty remark about your vs. you’re reveals that you also don’t grasp the difference between to and too.

Bullpen issues? I took a run through his game log just now, and couldn’t find any evidence that the Mets’ poor bullpen was taking wins away from him at all.

Dickey had a great year, no question. But don’t make the case that he got robbed. He only had 23 starts with a game score of at least 50, which is representative of a quality start. His record in those 23 games was 18-1. This isn’t a guy whose team screwed him out of wins.

I think the assertion that he’s got 10 plus more years is also likely to disappoint, given that the only players since 1980 to play at age 47 are Julio Franco, Jamie Moyer, and Phil Niekro. It’s just not something you can count on.

Does Dickey have value? Yes. Is there any chance he could be traded for Clayton Kershaw? Absolutely not. Dickey is FOURTEEN years older, and Kershaw still has the longer history of impressive pitching. There’s an enormous difference between the values of these players, and it’s clearly represented by the fact that the Mets haven’t been able to find a whole lot of trade value for Dickey in the marketplace.

If teams aren’t that interested in trading for him, his value simply isn’t that high. And if his value isn’t that high, then you don’t need to pay him that much.

It’s just business.

So, let me see if I have this straight. Don’t take advice from a person who stated his case clearly but who, even though he or she may know the difference between them, typed “your” instead of “you’re.” Do take advice from a person who can’t construct a sentence so that its meaning is clear. Got it.

As for California…

To determine his skills, we don’t need to know anything about his good works. His xFIP and BABIP are not influenced by his rescuing orphaned kittens from land mines.

On the other hand, all of that seemingly superfluous stuff does improve his marketability of said skills. Most people like him. They can relate to the underdog. People will pay money to see him because he is skilled and likable.

Ya needed a double negative there.

Just speaking as one snide person to another…

The question will be, and it will be an interesting one, if Haren and Dickey both have good years, but Dickey has a better one, which could easily happen, who gets more in 2014?

Inda, hypocrisy means that a person is lying about what he did (i.e., pretending to have done good deeds when one hasn’t). I didn’t say Dickey was a hypocrite. I just don’t have any interest in hearing about his good deeds, his quests, his struggles, etc. when I assess his baseball skills or the market for them.

So are we to believe you would agree with him had he said “you’re” rather than “your”? Do you correct the grammar of people whose posts you agree with?

Your being petty!

Irony not lost on me. What’s wrong w/ all you anti-Dickey folks? Seriously. The guys wins 20, the CY Young on a team that game him virtually no run support, w/o an effing bullpen (shoulda been a Guidry-esqe year wining 25+) and no one can see the LUNACY of the CY Young runner up (read: loser) getting $30mil/yr / a Mil a week for the season – and – Dickey being bitch-slapped w/ an ‘offer’ that’s 1/4 of said loser’s potential package?!

The ONLY reason I watched Mets games last year after the All Star break 9when the Mets had an opportunity to spend, shore up a bullpen and have a shot @ the division/playoffs and, refused to ‘invest’ in the team/season) was for Dickey’s ‘lift’ and to see how the bullpen was gonna meltdown, again in every other game he wasn’t in.

No offense David. But if the Mets don’t ‘invest’ in this special pitcher; who likely has 10y PLUS to go w/that pitch and no ligaments to blow out [think Jamie Moyer but w/ an unhittable 85mph pitch] – I’m outtie the fan base and I’LL ‘invest’ in an MLB package so I can watch ‘small ball’ (National League) somewhere else where they ARE investing in the team: Pittsburgh, Giants, etc and hope I ‘catch’ Dickey when he comes to town there.

Seriously.

You are right, you make a good point. I watched the last couple of years of Biggio’s career, where he could maybe put it together well enough to have about three good games a week. But they made a TON of money off of him for those couple of years.

Another side to the business equation.

I also think extending Dickey is smart business. I know the Mets are likely not going to be competitive with or without him there, but he puts butts in those seats at Citi Field. Those butts buy beers and hot dogs. His name moves merchandise. The Mets will get their investment back and then some.

The only reason the Mets might want RA is that he puts butts in seats. Like Wright, people come to watch him play. But the Mets are not contending next season. They lack too many parts. What are they thinking, jerking around like this?
In my mind it breaks down thusly:

Money wise? Keep him, but only at a reduced price or for the length of the contract.

Fan wise? Keep. Butts in seats. Good PR. Brings in dough.

Re-build and make a run in 2 – 3 seasons? Trade now for good, young value.

I’m sure that’s the running argument right now in Mets Central (headquartered in Wilpon’s basement Man-Cave, I’m sure).

Anyway….does Dickey deserve more or less per year then Dan Haren?

It is of course your right not to like anyone. In this case, I find some of your reasons lacking validity, but we’re both entitled to our opinions. No holiday cards from the Dickeys to you, missy.

And natslady, perhaps the overwhelming number of thumbs down to your various comments will suggest to you that your sanctimony and your bigotry (snidely slurring all Californians, for example) don’t really play around here.

HAVING SAID THAT, I don’t have any trouble with what the Mets are doing. He’s under contract for another year. And they won’t be good again before he has retired anyway.

It isn’t pretty, nor does it seem terribly fair, but it is a business.

In that sense, Dickey is grossly underpaid for what he brings to the franchise even before you take into account his performance on the field.