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Mets on verge of trading R.A. Dickey to Blue Jays

Dec 15, 2012, 3:08 PM EDT

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SUNDAY, 2:09 PM: The seven-player trade has been agreed to in principle. Bang it HERE for more.

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SATURDAY, 9:45 PM: Sherman says the trade, as it now stands, will send Dickey, Thole and a non-elite prospect to the Blue Jays for d’Arnaud, Syndergaard, Buck and a non-elite prospect. Sherman guesses that the swap might not be finalized until Monday.

6:58 PM: Adam Rubin of ESPN New York heard from an “in-the-know” source that a resolution might not happen on Saturday night. It seems likely that talks will trail into Sunday.

3:04 PM: Mike Puma of the New York Post reports that as of this morning, seven players were involved in the deal, including four coming to the Mets and three going to the Blue Jays.

Puma hears that the Jays want a catcher back and speculates that Josh Thole could be involved. He has a rapport with knuckleballer R.A. Dickey, so that would make sense. If that happens, it’s possible the Mets could take John Buck in the deal.

Andy McCullough of the Newark Star-Ledger hears that Blue Jays prospect right-handers Noah Syndergaard and Aaron Sanchez have also been discussed. Those are two impressive prospects, so this deal could get a little crazy.

2:54 PM: Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports reports that the Mets and Blue Jays are “inching toward the finish line” on the deal. Some players’ medicals have been reviewed and OK’d, but there’s still work to be done. R.A. Dickey and Travis d’Arnaud are the centerpieces of the deal, but still no word on the other players involved.

12:55 PM: CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman reports that the Mets rejected a package of Gose and Arencibia. The two sides have since agreed on d’Arnaud as the center piece in a deal for Dickey, but they are currently trying to finalize the last piece. Assuming they can agree on the other players in the deal, it’s now thought that Dickey is willing to talk about an extension.

11:42 AM: Hold the phone. Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that Anthony Gose is NOT part of the trade talks for R.A. Dickey. However, Travis d’Arnaud is.

11:19 AM: Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star reports that if the Blue Jays are to include d’Arnaud and Gose, they need to have Dickey signed to a two-year extension and receive a top prospect from the Mets.

9:30 AM: Andy Martino of the New York Daily News confirms that the Blue Jays are willing to offer d’Arnaud and Gose in a trade for Dickey. We’re still awaiting word on the other players involved.

8:15 PM: CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman hears that the Mets and Blue Jays have reached agreement on the players involved. No word yet on the full scope of the trade.

Meanwhile, Andy Martino of the New York Daily News reports that the Blue Jays have been looking at the medicals on Dickey since at least yesterday afternoon. It’s yet another indication that a deal is close to being finalized.

1:27 AM: Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that the Mets and Blue Jays are “on the verge” of a trade that would send Dickey to Toronto and d’Arnaud to New York. The teams are currently looking at medicals, so it sounds pretty close.

As Rosenthal mentioned earlier, Passan hears that more players are involved in the deal.

11:55 PM, Friday: Rosenthal and his colleague, Jon Paul Morosi, are reporting on FOXSports.com that Gose is likely to be included in the deal while the Mets are also expected to receive either d’Arnaud or Arencibia. As Rosenthal noted earlier, if d’Arnaud is included, the deal is likely to be expanded.

11:36 PM: Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com confirms that d’Arnaud is “very much in play” in trade talks for Dickey. However, he notes that the deal would be bigger, with multiple pieces going both ways.

You may recall that the trade talks between the Marlins and Blue Jays began with Josh Johnson and morphed into something much larger. While it’s unlikely 12 players will be involved this time, it probably won’t be a simple swap.

10:30 PM: Andy Martino of the New York Daily News was told by “a person with direct knowledge of the discussions” that during the Winter Meetings, d’Arnaud was a “must have” for the Mets to do a trade with the Blue Jays. Toronto resisted at the time, but a person involved in the potential trade has expressed a “gut feeling” that d’Arnaud may be involved. Again, nothing confirmed.

Contrary to earlier reports, Martino hears that Dickey is willing to sign a contract extension if he’s traded to the Blue Jays. This could have a major impact on the return package.

8:00 PM: Jon Heyman of CBS Sports hears that the Mets may be getting prospect catcher Travis d’Arnaud back from the Blue Jays, though he cautions that the information is unconfirmed. However, he was discussed “heavily” in trade talks along with fellow catcher J.P. Arencibia.

6:07 PM: Anthony DiComo of MLB.com was told by “two people involved” to not expect resolution with Dickey tonight. Things could always change, but it appears he’ll remain with the Mets for at least one more day.

5:45 PM: FOX Sports’ Jon Paul Morosi reports that the Mets and Blue Jays have made progress on a possible trade involving Dickey. However, it’s not a done deal yet.

Also, updating a previous story by Joel Sherman, Andy Martino of the New York Daily News writes that reports suggesting Dickey wouldn’t sign a contract extension with the Jays are false.

4:29 PM: Jon Heyman is hearing that the players coming back from Toronto — assuming a deal can get done — are J.P. Arencibia and Anthony Gose, though that may just be speculation, as those two have been talked about in trades involving the Blue Jays for some time. And let’s keep in mind that this is all fluid and depend on Dickey being willing to sign an extension. We think. As we learned with the Shin-Soo Choo trade earlier this week, early reports may only be capturing part of the story.

Rosenthal says the Rangers are OUT on Dickey.

4:05 PM: Joel Sherman reports that the Mets and Blue Jays are far along in trade talks for Dickey — and a deal could be close — but that things are being held up by Dickey’s refusal to agree to sign a contract extension with Toronto. Now, he needn’t sign off on the trade — he has no no-trade protection — but obviously the Jays would be far more willing to give up real value to the Mets if they can lock up Dickey for what will, presumably, be three years instead of just 2013.

Updates, obviously, as warranted.

3:30 PM: In case you didn’t think that the Mets were serious about trading R.A. Dickey:

The Rangers have been talked about as a possible trade partner with the Mets for a couple of days. The Jays and Orioles, not so much.

157 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 3:36 PM

    Who is Andy Martino? What is his likely source? How much credibility does he have?

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

      The reason I am curious, is because the vast majority of trade rumors involving the Jays are false. This one, on the other hand, could very easily be accurate. I suspect that the Jays are quite interested in Dickey.

      • paperlions - Dec 14, 2012 at 3:51 PM

        How do you distinguish between rumors that are false and rumors about deals that were true but the deals simply didn’t happen. I imaging that less that 1 out of 20 deals that are discussed actually occur.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 3:55 PM

        If the rumor is spread by Heyman, Olney or anyone at ESPN it is likely to be false. If the source is someone local who is close to the team, the probability that it is accurate is much higher.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

        Heyman has now chimed in with his 2 cents worth. I would be highly shocked if what he speculated (notice I did not say reported) about the “negotiation” is accurate. The NY Post has said that talks are being held up because Dickey will not agree to an extension with the Jays. No extension = a lesser player going to NY or no deal.

      • paint771 - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

        I’d be surprised if it wasn’t true, actually – and don’t forget that AA is going to be a little more inclined to push this year than in year’s previous, in the sense that he’s not interested in stockpiling prospects anymore and really his ass is on the line to produce results for next year.

        And with two starting catchers, a #1 prospect catcher, and plenty of AA pitching or AAA outfielding prospects to choose from, I think the Jays could easily part with a package that would pry Dickey loose and wouldn’t break the bank too much in terms of their farm system or depth. And it nets you a $5 mil a year reigning Cy Young.

        I’m crossing my fingers. We really need just one…more…starter…

      • indaburg - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

        According to Jim Bowden:
        “Bo McKinnis agent for RADickey just told me that he is not working on an extension w BlueJays or anyone else that would be holding up a deal.”

        The suspense is killing me!

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

        Without an extension, the offer would probably be Happ and a couple of prospects not named Gose and d’Arnaud.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM

        Heyman’s original postulation was Dickey for Gose and Arencibia. Now he thinks that it will be d’Arnaud. Providing that Dickey’s contract is extended, both Cur and I agreed that it would probably be d’Arnaud long before Heyman woke up to the fact. The Jays see a chance to win it all with Dickey in the rotation. They are trying to limit the damage by not offering much beyond a catcher. The Jays were always likely keep Arencibia who has a lot more experience than d’Arnaud as well as another catching prospect (Jiminez) whom they are also high on.

    • indaburg - Dec 14, 2012 at 3:46 PM

      Martino works for the NY Daily News. I know, I know. “If we hear a rumor involving the Jays, it’s probably false.” This is one of those cases where I really hope you’re right.

    • richyballgame - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM

      Martino is above average with his accuracy,he is good.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:06 PM

        Thank you. As I indicated, unlike most Jay’s rumors, this one seemed to be true.

    • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:59 PM

      I think we saw this one coming the moment AA leveraged the Feesh for their core, PC. The only thing our boys need now is that stud pitcher. If RA DOES wind up in Beaver Land, well heaven help the rest of the division.

      Trouble is I have no faith this will come off. The Mets FO are ass-burgers. Anytime you deal with ass-burgers you gotta expect ass-burgery. BUT if it does come off, well our boys are pretty good.

      Rotation should look like this:
      Morrow
      Dickey
      Buehrle
      Romero
      Johnson
      – and you could revolve any of the first 3 with each other and the last 2 with each other as well and it would still work. Add to that Cecil and Happ to cover injuries, spot starts & Romero turning back into a pumpkin; a bullpen with real depth, arguably the 2 best hitters in MLB (Bautista & E5) the best leadoff man/SS in MLB (Reyes), and a Manager who’s invested in THIS job, well, I like our chances. Given all that, like the 2011 Phillies you likely wouldn’t see more than 2 losses in row very often.

      Git ‘er Done, AA.

      • thebadguyswon - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

        What does ass-burgers mean? Take our junk and give us Dickey? d’Arnaud is going to be in the deal or there won’t be a deal.

      • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

        As everyone knows that knows anything “Ass-burgers” means tightfisted, lying, crooked, snake oil selling pillocks. Given that this is a direct reading of the lumps on Fred Wilpon’s head, I think this description is accurate.

        Now, with the semantical debate done with, lets have a chat on on the meaning of what “Take our junk and give us Dickey?” means. I never said that. You did. I never implied that junk was on the way. All I want my boys to do is hang on the Moises Sierra. d’Arnaud sounds like a fair trade to me and a lot of the Mets fans have said he’s who your FO want. He’s an unproven kid, had notable injuries and hasn’t done a lick in MLB yet, but whatever: it aint up to me to tell your FO how to fix up your rooting interest. Sierra looks to me like a way better prospect, so I’m glad to not be hearing his name in these talks.

        If you knew anything about these guys you’d know that you want Sierra over d’Arnaud if you had a lick of sense. I think though that your team’s FO will be satisfied with d’Arnaud, an OF-er (Rasmus maybe or possibly Nolasco: hell, have BOTH) and maybe Gomes or another of the spare catching prospects that Anthopolous has stashed somewhere.

        Good luck to Your Boys in the coming season.

  2. Al - Dec 14, 2012 at 3:42 PM

    This is just a shot in the dark, but I suspect he’s the Mets beat writer at the New York Daily News.

  3. jwbiii - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

  4. paint771 - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:11 PM

    Also, can you imagine being an opposing hitter in a four-game series and having to alternate between J. Johnson, Dickey, Morrow, Buehrle. I mean just from a velocity and pitch type perspective, they’ve got to leave that roller coaster mumbling “da fuck…” to themselves while they take the plane back home.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:28 PM

      If it happens, I sure hope that Buck can catch a knuckle ball. I doubt that the other catchers could.

      • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

        THAT’S the problem with RA, isn’t it? Who’s gonna catch that funky stiff?

      • Old Gator - Dec 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM

        Naah, that’s not the problem. The problem is that Dickey should continue to bat and let the DH hit for Buck. Is that allowed in designatedhitterball?

  5. koufaxmitzvah - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:20 PM

    Hey now….

    • lyon810 - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

      “Hey Now” Hank Kingsley

    • aceshigh11 - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:26 PM

      HOWARD STERN’S PENIS! EFF JACKIE!

  6. 1943mrmojorisin1971 - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    Johnson
    Dickey
    Morrow
    Buehrle
    Romero

    Yup, sounds good.

  7. kkolchak - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:31 PM

    So Dickey is apparently sticking it to the Mets for slamming him in the media. Awesome.

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:41 PM

      Yeah awesome…the fans get to pay for it.

      • kkolchak - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:42 PM

        Well, they can always stop going to the games and giving their money to the Mets’ ownership.

    • paperlions - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:43 PM

      Or….he may just not want to sign an extension in a place before he plays there….he knows he likes playing in NY and for the Mets….he knows no such thing about Toronto.

  8. edelmanfanclub - Dec 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

    AA isn’t going to give up a lot for rental, if Dickey doesn’t sign TOR is going to take away some pieces or break the deal. The Mets are going to have to trade Dickey or sign him to 2 year 26 million dollar extension, the former obviously is more likely (maybe not smarter, but likely)

  9. thekingdave - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM

    Hey Craig, I think you should start off each Jays post with a disclaimer that AA is secretive and holds his cards close to his chest. Therefore, every rumor is likely false. You should also pretend that this is some new revelation and ignore it’s 7 million appearances in comments from proudlycanadian.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:19 PM

      Yep.

      • stex52 - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        I see PC here, as would be expected. But where is Cur? Probably holding his breath until he bursts or his dream comes true.

      • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

        Off getting a haircut while the pitcher of my dreams is being acquired, that’s what. I get back here to find out that the adding of finest cherry pipe tobacco (John’s Lament) & a Miss Scarlet figurine to my Baseball Shrine for my Jose Bautista Incarnation of Jobu (Faux Bu II) to canoodle has really curried the favour. My mojo be PUMPIN’.

      • stex52 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

        We’re getting seriously voodoo here. Try a glass of absinthe. If it works, I will finally start working on my shrine.

    • paint771 - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

      No offense proudlycanadian, but that is pretty funny.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM

        None taken. I for one sure, hope that the Jays do get Dickey. Heyman was late on the story and is just guessing.

  10. gbar22 - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:10 PM

    Oh yay JP arencieba thats a real great return for the mets….all star right there…

  11. kappy32 - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:22 PM

    A Cy Young Award winner for JP Arbencebia? Arbencebia won’t even be the Jays’ opening day catcher. They need d’Arnaud for this trade to make sense, otherwise it’s a waste.

    • mrchainbluelightning - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:29 PM

      Best catching prospect in baseball for a 38 year old?

      Keep dreaming

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM

        I like how you dismiss Dickey as “just a 38 year old”, as if he wouldn’t instantly be the best pitcher on the Jays and didn’t just, legitimately, win the CY last year.

      • mrchainbluelightning - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:54 PM

        38 year old Jesus isn’t getting you the best catching prospect in baseball

      • paint771 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:02 PM

        Not just for a 38 year old, but a 38 year old rental.

        No offense, Dickey is totally legit and church (below) is right, but still. The fact that the Mets haven’t been willing to sign him to an extension, and that they also haven’t been able to work out a trade deal holding out for #1 prospects, tells you a lot about the market value here.

        And I say this, again, as a total Dickey fan who would LOVE to see him in Toronto. It’s not a knock on Dickey, it’s just putting a value on the win-added probability that Dickey gives you for next year (or next year + his age 40 and 41 seasons) versus what you have to give up for him. The difference, for a year, between JA Happ and RA Dickey is certainly not worth d’Arnaud – and frankly it’s not worth Arencibia and Gose either. Now, he gets an extension done, and he’s worth the latter – and maybe the former if we don’t have to give up much else of significance.

      • kappy32 - Dec 14, 2012 at 9:19 PM

        Looks like my dreaming is coming to fruition. All the reports indicate that it’s d’Arnaud & an OF prospect for Dickey & Duda. If Alderson can complete a trade where I no longer have to look at either Duda or Thole, Sandy immediately becomes my best friend. I just hope the “extra player” I’m being told is needed to land d’Arnaud over Arbencebia is actually Duda & not Murphy. I don’t see where Murph fits in with the Jayd, especially with his lack of power. Duda, on the other hand, is under team control longer than Murphy & he belongs in the AL as a DH because the guy can’t field worth a lick. Taking the pressure of fielding out of his mind, Duda could very well hit the ball with power as was originally expected should he be put in as their DH.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM

      The name is spelt Arencibia. The Jays value him much higher that most bloggers. They even have an Arencibia bobble head day scheduled. d’Arnaud was very unlikely to be the opening day catcher, as the Jays want him to get more seasoning in Triple A. Frankly, I would not be surprised if d’Arnaud was traded.

      • stex52 - Dec 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

        Hey I know you put up with my occasional Texanisms. But a spelt is a fish.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

        Thanks

      • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

        It’ll be d’Arnaud rather than JP, I think. The Mets REALLY need a catching prospect. By the time they are ready to contend (if ever) JP will be getting past it. Keep in mind Nolasco, Rasmus, Buck, and Gose exist as trade pieces, too. The Mets see lots they want off of The Beav. AA will get his money’s worth in RA, bank on it.

      • paperlions - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:22 PM

        If the Jays value him as much as you do, then they also value him more than pretty much every else that works in baseball or is a fan of it. The guy has some power, but he is an out machine that plays slightly below average defense. His offense and defense have been below average for catchers the last 2 years. While such a player is not worthless….he isn’t particularly valuable either.

      • Old Gator - Dec 15, 2012 at 8:32 PM

        Um – spelt is a grain, an ancient precursor of modern domesticated wheat.

        A smelt is a feesh.

  12. broncobrewer - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:00 PM

    Get Reyes back? Why not

  13. wpjohnson - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

    Sounds like Jon Daniels is going to drop another ball.

    • stex52 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM

      You would think he might have panicked and upped it, what with the December he’s having. But maybe he is trying hard not to panic. The Rangers have bled some talent.

    • kappy32 - Dec 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

      It’s amazing how fast things change. Last year he was touted by many, even this blog, as the “best young GM in baseball.” Looks like this offseason he was outdone & outsmarted by his elder, more experienced counterparts.

      • kappy32 - Dec 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        On the other hand, Alderson was supposedly demanding Profar for any deal with Dickey. I’m a huge Mets fan, but Dickey isn’t worth Profar, the best prospect in baseball.

  14. bmoreballers - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM

    Can someone tell me what’s so great about this guy?

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:37 PM

      RA Dickey? Besides his awesome outside of baseball experiences, his last three years he’s done:

      616.2 IP, 2.95 ERA (129 ERA+), 6.8 K/9, 2.2 BB/9 and he deserved the CY he won this year

      • stex52 - Dec 14, 2012 at 7:12 PM

        Yeah, so what’s the big deal?? :-)

    • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM

      Do you live without access to baseball games? I feel very sorry for you if you do. I just wanna add to COPO’s succinct and clear detailing of RA Dickey’s resume with the verifiable FACT that RA sweats Awesome Sauce™.

  15. ptfu - Dec 14, 2012 at 7:11 PM

    Obligatory “Dickey nears Beaver-land” comment

    • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM

      I’m waiting till it happens. Then… well you should probably stand back ’cause the euphemisms will write themselves.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM

        Still a bit too early to discuss a Dickey in the land of beavers and bush pilots.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM

        Note to self: skip that entry.

  16. mungman69 - Dec 14, 2012 at 7:33 PM

    Mets suck.

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM

      You do.

  17. canadabaseball - Dec 14, 2012 at 7:45 PM

    If he’s not Gona sign a extension gose and buck if he will gose and JP there that simple

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:46 PM

      Nope….you can have JP bud.

  18. buffalo65 - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

    D’naurd and Sierra. Done and done. Keep JPA.

    • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:24 PM

      Moises Sierra is not going anywhere I hope. That kid projects to be even better than Hechevarria did in my opinion.

  19. giantssb42champs - Dec 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

    So long Dickster. You now join an elite group of Cy young or HOF pitchers the mets have dealt away. Seaver, Ryan, Cone , Mike Scott, R.A.

  20. gbar22 - Dec 14, 2012 at 9:53 PM

    D’arnauld better be in the deal!! I’ll take gose too

    • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

      For RA Dickey? Hell yes.

  21. thebadguyswon - Dec 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

    Ok…then were in agreement.

    I dont consider the Wilpons part of The FO, that’s all.

  22. slclions - Dec 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM

    any know what R.A’s stats were indoors? just wondering since half hos stats will be inside and worroed his knuckler is not has effective indoors…hope im wrong

    • cur68 - Dec 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM

      The roof opens at Skydome as needed. On nice days, of which Toronto has many, it’ll be open. RA will be just fine.

    • richyballgame - Dec 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

      A one hitter against the Rays at Tropicana last year? I think he’ll do fine at the Skydome.

  23. canadabaseball - Dec 15, 2012 at 12:34 AM

    Everyone’s getting at his age he is only 38 he’s a knuckleballer people he still got 10 years left

  24. ruffridin - Dec 15, 2012 at 1:28 AM

    What a crazy starting rotation this would make in Toronto. Last years ace becomes the fifth starter in 2013.

  25. bostonboy82 - Dec 15, 2012 at 1:32 AM

    02:30am. Bla bla bla…..

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