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Mets and Blue Jays agree “in principle” on seven-player trade involving knuckleballer R.A. Dickey

Dec 16, 2012, 2:08 PM EDT

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We’re finally nearing the finish line, folks.

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Mets and Blue Jays have agreed “in principle” on a seven-player trade that will send knuckleballer R.A. Dickey, catcher Josh Thole and a (non-elite) prospect to Toronto in exchange for catcher Travis d’Arnaud, right-handed pitcher Noah Syndergaard, catcher John Buck and a (non-elite) prospect.

The only hold-up at this point is a 72-hour negotiating window which the Blue Jays will use to attempt to work out a contract extension with their new ace.

That negotiating window expires on Tuesday at 2 p.m. ET.

Dickey, who’s owed just $5 million in 2013, posted a 2.73 ERA, 1.05 WHIP and 230/54 K/BB ratio in 233 2/3 innings this summer for New York en route to capturing Cy Young Award honors in the National League.

Syndergaard and d’Arnaud ranked third and first, respectively, on Baseball America‘s most recent listing of the Blue Jays’ Top 10 prospects. They should be great pieces to build around for the Metropolitans.

106 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. vallewho - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    Stupid Mets

    • townballblog - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:43 PM

      Actually, Mets win this one hands down.

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:32 PM

        Win for both sides, I think. Mets were in “Re-build” and the Beav in “Win Now”. Both sides got what they needed. Best thing is that Dickey is a known quantityat the MLB level and a damn good one at that. The rooks? Not so much with the known quantity at the MLB level.

        RA gets a team with a great lineup, FO, and (lets face it, folks) Country 8)

        The Rooks and Buck get to be part of a re-building organization; Buck gets to play everyday and the Mets can show what they can do with hot young talent. if the Mets can avoid screwing this up they should look good in few seasons.

        Win-win. Gonna be a good season.

      • djpostl - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM

        Yes, they do.

        For a 38 year old who suddenly out of nowhere had a couple of very good years (knuckleballer or not, they age well as in they can still pitch but their production level is another story entirely) they did incredibly well.

    • uscthom78 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:25 PM

      unless DIckey has 10 more seasons of 20+ wins and sub-3.00 era , then the mets probably win this deal.

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:29 PM

        Haha…that’s a good one. If Dickey has one more season like last year, the Jays win this deal. Look, I love love LOVE me some prospects, they are fun as hell to watch develop and dream on…but the vast majority of them disappoint, and most don’t even become average regulars.

        Guys like Syndergaard are great to have in an organization, but at least 1/2 of them crash and burn somewhere between A-ball and MLB, and many of the remaining guys wind up in the bullpen.

        There are questions about d’Arnaud’s durability…..for a catcher, that’s pretty important.

        I think it is a good sale for the Mets, all they are trading is 1 year of Dickey at $5M….the Jays have to buy anything else they get.

      • yahmule - Dec 16, 2012 at 7:42 PM

        Agreed. Catchers seem to fail at a higher rate and more miserably than prospects at other positions.

    • bigmeechy74 - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:27 PM

      stupid vallewho

      • vallewho - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:25 PM

        Ha-ha. Will see how long the re-building takes. I have a soft-spot in my baseball heart for the Mets and I really wish the the best luck, but given how they operate, I don’t think this will work out.

      • bigmeechy74 - Dec 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM

        Well sheesh man you should be excited about getting the #1 catcher prospect in all of baseball to team up with zach wheeler. The only concerning thing is his health. But I think it’s an exciting trade for the Mets. I hope it works out for them.

      • vallewho - Dec 16, 2012 at 9:24 PM

        All I can tell you is the Toronto has actually put together a team that I would pay and look forward to see play. The Mets. No. I suspect that Toronto is going back to their competitive ways of the the early 90s. If their fans start to show up to back their team like in the old way, this team will take off. The Mets. No.

        Sure there’s a chance that this trade works out great for the Mets, but given the track record, what are the chances that this ownership group / management has made the right move? Anybody can get lucky once in a while…I guess.

      • vallewho - Dec 16, 2012 at 9:30 PM

        And as far as the only concern is “his health”, well for a young guy that ‘s supposed to play the most physically demanding position on the field..I guess that’s TINY concern. I would feel better if the main concern was that he could not bunt, or just he was flat-out slow running the bases.

      • bigmeechy74 - Dec 16, 2012 at 9:57 PM

        Yeah but how are you not excited to see how it plays out? I mean obviously it’s a risk but you weren’t gonna win the world series in the next 2 years anyway so why not try to acquire a gifted young catcher with tremendous upside?

  2. thebadguyswon - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM

    Coup for the Amazins. Merry Christmas Mets fans!

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:21 PM

      With prospects, you just do not know. Will d’Arnaud stay healthy? Will the hard throwing Syndergaard develop a breaking ball?

      • koufaxmitzvah - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM

        Will the New York press consistently spell their names correctly?

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:53 PM

        Good one. I hope that both perform well enough that their names are never taken in vain. A lot of Jays fans were eagerly, waiting to watch d’Arnaud. I, for one, wanted to see the long tall Texan pitch for the Jays.

      • koufaxmitzvah - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM

        I know what you’re saying. The Dodgers traded their own tall, funny named Texan (Nate Eovaldi) for Hanley Ramirez.

        Texas: It’s a whole other country.

      • djpostl - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:06 PM

        Irrelevant. The Mets weren’t doing squat with or without Dickey.

        As he ages he might be able to still take the mound as a knuckleballer, but go look at the less then stellar stats other knuckleballers have compiled as they hit 40 and it is less likely that he’ll maintain his current production.

        By the time they were going to contend he was going to be done.

        Trade him now, get max value and part ways.

  3. proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:18 PM

    Step by step, inch by inch, closer and closer, the Jays should soon have a rotation composed of a Cy Young winner and former All Stars.

    I would offer him a signing bonus of $10 million up front, payable in 2012 before taxes go up, plus the 2 year extension. No reason why the Jays can’t offer him a bit more than he wanted from the Mets.

    • bradmoss1 - Dec 16, 2012 at 10:21 PM

      Veteran players don’t get signing bonuses.

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 17, 2012 at 7:02 AM

        As far as I know, there are no rules against including a signing bonus in contract extensions. Alternatively, the Jays could tear up the existing contract and give him a 3 year contract.

  4. jaysfan64 - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM

    Dickey now has huge leverage…price for Jays to extend him may be higher than it was for Mets..having said that when AA sets out to extend someone the deal always gets done….Syndergaard and d’Arnaud both is a high price to pay tho…if this goes thru our Jays seem to be the team to beat in the AL (on paper)…

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:25 PM

      He’ll sign an extension, you can count on that. Jays have a nice team.

  5. dondada10 - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM

    You’re getting a stud, Toronto. I’ve gotten to know a lot of Jays fans on this board, and they’re clearly knowledgeable. I’m glad that’s where he’s going.

    Help them beat the Yanks, R.A. Mets fans will miss you taking the rubber every 5 days.

  6. adenzeno - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:27 PM

    This is sad…there is no real reason that the Mets could not have kept Dickey….I know the prospects the Mets will get, project well, but the comps on 38 year old knuckleballers are pretty good for about 5 years out…..The next time an owner whines about loyalty, remember this “trade”…to me this trade just has bad karma…Damn it is hard being a Mets fan…and we are STILL paying Bonilla….

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:28 PM

      Then go buy a Yankees hat.

      • adenzeno - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM

        I would rather set my head on fire

      • thebadguyswon - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:39 PM

        Then hang tight. Things will get better.

    • gettingpwned - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      we got dickey off the scrap heap and turned him into 2 of the 3 top prospects from toronto. he’s 38 and this team wont win a title in the next few years. which is all he’s going to have left. i like dickey. super nice guy. the kind of player you want your kids looking up to. but as a business move in terms of making the overall team better in the future, this is a no brainer. we needed a catcher and some OFs. we got a C and a P back. I’m happy with the deal.

      • ras1tafari - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:26 PM

        I agree. How anyone sees Dickey as more than a one-year abberational wonder baffles me. The Mets should be laughing all the way home after trading him away for anything.

        Dickey is going to get F–KING LIT UP in the AL east, and it’s going to be beautiful to watch.

      • cktai - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:34 PM

        Have you not been watching baseball the last three years? Dickey’s 2012 year should not come as a surprise. He had a 2.84 ERA in 2010 and a 3.28 ERA in 2011. Over the last three years he has a 2.95 ERA which fits nicely between Cain, Price, Hamels and Gio Gonzalez.

        Not to mention the fact that in those three years, Dickey has been tearing the AL East apart. He went 4-0 in 6 starts with 2 CGs, a 1.71 ERA and 9.6 K/9.

    • Old Gator - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM

      Adenzo – happens to me every time I think hard about something.

      Unfortunately, I usually foul my pants at the same time….comes from not paying attention to anything below my sinuses….

      • dondada10 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM

        I think last season may have been the final one of the Bonilla deferment. Jus’ sayin’.

      • kkolchak - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:59 PM

        Uh…no. In fact, as the song goes, “They’ve onleeee just beeegun,” and continue until the year 2035.

        The Mets invested the money they were going to pay Bonilla with Bernie Madoff, thinking he was going to score a huge profit. And we all know how well that worked out.

        http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7879021/mlb-new-york-mets-pay-bobby-bonilla-millions-years-come-espn-magazine

    • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:36 PM

      Jeez man, I aint the huggy kind (well chicks, yeah) but cheer up. The rooks your dudes got could be pretty good. They need MLB playing time and good coaching. No reason the Mets can’t do that. Hang in there, brah.

    • djpostl - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM

      “but the comps on 38 year old knuckleballers are pretty good for about 5 years out”

      Since when?

      Wakefield 39+ = an ERA just a tick under 5.00, with only one year in the low-4′s

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=D8AQl

      J. Niekro 39+ = one very good year at age 39 then his performance took a steady, not so slow nose dive. Within two years he too was in the ERA of 5ish territory.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=OTaxF

      Tom Candiotti 39+ = </u/ one decent year at age 39 then same old story, huge decline in his performance and nothing more than a junk innings guy on a bad team within a couple of years.

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/share.cgi?id=HlN3y

      I sense a pattern here.

      Everybody just makes the same mistake of thinking a knuckleballer who remains in the big leagues around 40+ is a guy who is both effective and one you'd want in your rotation.

      In the last 20+ years this simply has not been the case.

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

        How many of those guys were born without a UCL and threw in the mid 80′s?

  7. okobojicat - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:29 PM

    Does this, along with the Myers trade indicate the fetishness of prospects is now over? Giving up a #1 and a #3 for 1 year (I know, negotiations..) of a very very good pitcher is a lot. We all know that 70% of top 100 prospects don’t work out and that 40% of even top 10 overall prospects results in 0 or -WAR, but the possibly home run type prospects, man. That seems like a lot.

    Does the additional wild card make it more likely teams will play for now? It seems that way to me. The Blue Jays now can come in third in their division and still get into the tournament. That makes it significantly more likely that risks pay back – and thus more likely more teams will start taking risks.

    • paperlions - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:38 PM

      S-gaard isn’t an elite prospect, yet. He probably won’t be top 50 in the spring, and he’s only top 3 in Toronto because they’ve had a huge number of guys graduate and traded in the last year. He’s a good prospect, but it isn’t like the Mets are getting 2 top 20 prospects in all of baseball.

      • djpostl - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:29 PM

        Yes but that key word is “yet”. He already has good heat, good control and a near-plus curve.

        He develops a changeup and it’s not “will he be an ace?” it’s just a matter of “how soon will he be your ace?”

      • paperlions - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:39 PM

        TINSTAAPP

        The distance is very far between A-ball and MLB.

  8. greymares - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:31 PM

    If I were a Mets fan i would be happy all 3 will be on the 24 and they are on their way to becoming a better team and as a Phillie fan i’m happy that crazy ball pitcher is in the other league.

  9. fishtales10 - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:40 PM

    Just my ignorance, but can a knuckleballer be effective in a dome? Even with the roof open it is a very enclosed stadium. Does a knuckleball move the same in a controlled environment?

    • dondada10 - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:45 PM

      It should actually be ideal. Humidity seemed to bother R.A. last year.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:46 PM

      No problem. Wakefield pitched well in Toronto until his last season. Getting someone who could catch the knuckle ball was important to the Jays.

      • Old Gator - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM

        And unloading Buck was just as important – the Black Hole was just made for the Wilpoons.

        Anyone know how much of that stiff’s salary they had to swallow to get Buehrle and Reyes they will now unload upon the hapless Mutts front orifice?

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM

        Still too early to know what amount of Buck’s salary will be paid by the Mets. At the moment, Buck is scheduled to earn more next season than Dickey.

      • Old Gator - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM

        “One should not expect too much of justice in this world.”

        - Cormac McCarthy

    • indaburg - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:32 PM

      Very small sample size, but Dickey pretty much no hit the Rays at the domed Trop last season. the. It didn’t seem to affect his knuckleball at all.

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:38 PM

        I’m glad to see you remember that, ‘burg. You’ll get to see a few repeats of that this coming season.

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      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:29 PM

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  10. Ari Collins - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:46 PM

    This is the right time for the Jays to make this trade, with the Yanks and Rays having taken half-steps back this offseason (with more moves possibly pending, of course), the Sox having improved, but improved over a turd of a season, and the Os falling back to Earth.

    It’s still a very strong division, but it doesn’t look like it’ll be quite as strong as it’s been the last few years, and the Jays now look like early favorites, if nowhere near locks.

    Exciting time for you Torontonians!

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM

      Thank you Ari. Season ticket sales rose sharply after the Marlins trade and will rise after this one.

      • Old Gator - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:02 PM

        Ditto – congrats to you and Cur and my friend Mike up the street from Caplansky’s. And most of all, congrats to Biggeth Dicketh himself, who is being rescued from an organizational Hindenburg and going to a terrific city for a literate, eloquent guy.

    • raysfan1 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM

      The Rays have not taken any steps backward, Ari. I actually expect them to be improved. I don’t think the O’s will implode, although I too think they will come back to earth a bit. The battle for the East will be interesting.

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:39 PM

        S’gonna be a GREAT season, lads. Can’t wait.

  11. bluenoser23 - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:56 PM

    An expensive package the Jays coughed up but that’s the price of admission. If my Jays make the tournament for the first time in TWENTY years, it will have been well worth it (plus we tend to do rather well when we get there! Ref. 1992 ans 1993 WS championships)

  12. gbar22 - Dec 16, 2012 at 2:57 PM

    It can be a win for both teams if RA goes and does what he’s done the last three years for another three years for the jays and if they make a playoff it can be viewed as a win for them cause Their goal is now even if the prospects pan out for the my beloved mets

  13. fissels - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:34 PM

    I’m not a Mets fan but this looks like a good deal for them, I think Buck is a better overall catcher than Thole.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:09 PM

      Thole just has to catch every game started by Dickey. He has shown that he can catch a knuckle ball.

    • Old Gator - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:31 PM

      As a catcher, yes. As a hitter? Heh – better send him up there with a corked cricket bat if you want him to hit over .225.

  14. billb09 - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:39 PM

    METS – My Entire Team Sucks. Seriously Dickey was the only reason to go to Citi Field (Shrine to the Dodgers). We the taxpayers paid for Wilpons childhood dreams of Ebbits field. The Giants played here too. Still they do not listen to the fans, here’s an idea since we have no chance of winning throw Wright in the deal so Toronto can be Mets north.

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:50 PM

      Waaah….waaaah…..waaahh.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:51 PM

      Pass on Wright. In Lawrie, the Jays have an affordable third baseman who is also a Canuck.

  15. cruuuzcontrol - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    The Mets took their most dealable asset and turned him into a big piece that can just about immediately fill a big hole, with other pieces that can have a great impact down the road. There’s no limit to what you can do with good, young pitchers that are controllable. The Jays get a great starter who will make a difference for them and can pitch well anywhere. Win-win in this Met fans eyes. Alderson and AA both did fine jobs here.

  16. gregbeau - Dec 16, 2012 at 3:46 PM

    As a Mets fan I loved watching Dickey the last 3 years and his performance last year was the only thing that kept the season from going down in history as one of their worst of all time. But I have to admit that I love this deal for the Mets. Toronto was willing to overpay for someone coming off of a season like Dickey’s, and overpay they did. Plus moving Thole is a plus, as he seemed to be totally confused offensively last year and lost all the pop in his bat. I have to think that if even one of the prospects works out, the Mets will be ahead of the game on this deal long-term.

  17. bluenoser23 - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    Given the massive injury bug that tore through the Jays starting pitchers last year, if Dickey can just make it through the damn year without needing surgery it will be a miracle.

  18. cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM

    Your 2013 Beaver Men Team, folks. Read it and weep

    Starting Rotation
    Brandon Morrow
    RA Dickey
    Mark Buehrle
    Josh Johnson
    Ricky Romero

    fill-in starters
    JA Happ
    Brett Cecil
    Carlos Villaneueva
    4 guys in the pen (until Santos does something besides grow scars the closer is, I think, Casey Jannsen but Delabar could close, easy)

    Starting Lineup
    Jose Reyes
    Melky Cabrera
    Jose Bautista
    E5
    Brett Lawrie
    Rajai Davis
    Adam Lind
    Colby Rasmus
    JP Arencebia

    Bench
    Ricky Nolasco (expendable)
    Sierra
    Gose (expendable?)
    Spanish Speaking Veteran Presence (seriously, who? Expendable)
    Josh Thole

    1 of those expandable guys is gone before opening day. Probably Gose back to AAA. Of the bench guys, Moises Sierra will get nearly full time playing a mix of 1B, RF and LF and DH. He’s big strong and fast. He showed signs of hitting well last season, too. If Lind turns into a pumpkin (again) Sierra will take his spot, if he doesn’t win it out of ST.

    C’mon! Lets play some ball!

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:45 PM

      I really like the team y’all put together, but hopefully that pitching staff stays healthy because, yikes, at the bottom of that lineup.

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:49 PM

        Yep. That’s why Villaneueva, Cecil & Happ are going to be important

      • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:01 PM

        Villenueva is still a free agent, but the Jays want him back.

    • proudlycanadian - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM

      Sorry to correct you Cur, but Nolasco is not on the Jays. I think that you ment Bonifacio. Either Bonifacio or Izturis (both switch hitters) will play second base. Davis will be the 4th outfielder and designated late inning base stealer.

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM

        Yep. Thanks. BonifacioThat’s who I meant. Been a while since I looked at those names. Should have checked. Honestly I was chuckling away writing out the starting rotation and hitting linup that the bench guys were just riffed off the top of my head. And Izturis is our Spanish Speaking Veteran Presence, right. We should just designate that guy as The Vizquel.

      • Old Gator - Dec 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM

        Damn, Beaverboy, when you wrote “Nolasco” the first thing I thought was, “what the hell did I sleep through this time?” No, the Feesh still possess Reecky and his evil pod twin, much as they have let it be known they would really rather be somewhere else.

    • Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:16 PM

      There’s something off with that starting line up. Carebra, Rasmus, Davis and Bautista … Is that four outfielders?

      • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:23 PM

        Good eye. I’m forgetting a second baseman. Given Kelly Johnson’s performance there, can you blame me? Izturis can play 2nd and Rasmus can park it on the bench. Who cares? The rest of that lineup is brilliant.

  19. jaybird22seven - Dec 16, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    The jays might have over paid for Dickey. But only time will tell. The Mets got a couple great prospects for sure. Good luck in New York Travis and Noah.

  20. titknocker - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:14 PM

    R.A Dickey is not an Ace, anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:24 PM

      2.95 ERA over 616 IP in the last three years isn’t an ace? That’s better than CC, slightly worse than Weaver and equivalent to Price over that same time frame. If ace = Verlander, then I guess there’s only one ace in baseball.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

        Yes, yes there is. ;)

  21. Francisco (FC) - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:21 PM

    The fact that the trade is taking so long to consummate is a testament to the amount of voodoo Sally is employing to prevent it.

    • cur68 - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:34 PM

      Sally got some good mojo. But Faux Bu II will prevail.

    • indaburg - Dec 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM

      I did my best, FC. I even added a Mets cap to the shrine, but alas, the force is strong with this one.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

        Would buffalo dung help? The dirt from whence Mickey Mantle sprang? The Flaming Lips? I can contribute here.

      • cur68 - Dec 17, 2012 at 12:38 AM

        How can you contribute The Flaming Lips? You don’t use jelly?

      • historiophiliac - Dec 17, 2012 at 7:54 AM

        I mean, it would require a trip to the City but Wayne Coyne sweat is pretty powerful stuff.

      • indaburg - Dec 17, 2012 at 8:46 AM

        I’ll take it.

  22. Minoring In Baseball - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:23 PM

    Wow, the AL East keeps getting stronger. Could work for both sides, anyway.
    –Mike
    http://minoringinbaseball.com/

  23. vanmorrissey - Dec 16, 2012 at 5:50 PM

    Yes, there is a weakness in the AL East Forces that Jays can exploit. Yanks, another year older but not better. Sawx, who knows but don’t think they are playoff contenders. Rays can have a good run again due to young pitching. Orioles, we’ll see if ’12 a fluke or not. And that leaves the Jays. On paper they got better but so did the Angels last year and Red Sox the year before. Had to do it, had to.

  24. canadabaseball - Dec 16, 2012 at 7:06 PM

    One of the best rotations in the MLB and they got the long ball and speed
    Looks pretty good to me
    Blue jays al east champs for sure

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 16, 2012 at 7:28 PM

      Maybe. Definitely the favorite.

  25. buffalo65 - Dec 16, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Rasmus on the bench??? Give your head a shake. Davis is a bench rider. Gotta get Boneface in the lineup.

    • cur68 - Dec 17, 2012 at 1:12 AM

      Have you looked up their numbers, Buffalo? I have. Here:
      Bonifacio: .671 OPS, 77 OPS+, Season Average SO/BB = 125/52, Averages 37 SB/season, Averages 626 PA/Season

      Davis: .687 OPS, 86 OPS+, Season Average SO/BB = 87/30, Averages 51 SB/season, Averages 518 PA/Season

      Rasmus: .689 OPS, 85 OPS +, Season Average SO/BB = 144/56, Averages 7 SB/Season (!), 626 PA/Season

      So…Bonifacio SO’s slightly LESS often than Davis. Appears in more games. That’s it. Rasmus: better RBI guy. Better Power BUT not much good at helping other hitters and his OBP was .289(!) last season. Davis had a .309 OBP. Still I can see an argument for Rasmus in the game, but Bonifacio?

      In every other category Davis is better. Why do you want Bonifacio? I guess he could play 2nd since he can claim “utility infielder” on his resume. But of these guys I want Davis playing OF. He’s got great speed, a good arm, and when he comes up to bat he gets on a higher clip than the other two. When he’s on (which he does more often than the other two) he creates havoc. He’s not the guy you want on the pine. Colby seems to be in perpetual attempting-slump-buster mode. He can work it out off the bench.

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