Comments on: Blue Jays, Mets finalize seven-player R.A. Dickey trade

By: protius

protius — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 23:02:00 +0000

Greetings from Germany.

Bravo, the Jays have been AL East doormats for almost 20 years. This off-season they made some good moves, and bought themselves a little respect.

I think there is plenty of leeway to wink and smile if Jay’s fans want to celebrate and anticipate a successful season. I say, let them have their fun; the games still have to be played, and at the end of the 2013 season, Yankee fans will either be laughing at them, or will be laughed at by them.

Personally, I don’t think they will do any better than 3rd place. They may have gotten themselves some good players, but it will take some time for the Blue Jays to coalesce as a team, and develop a winning attitude; something that the Yankees, Rays and Orioles already have.

By: badintent

badintent — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:37:39 +0000

You’re right. And after every Red Sox lost, Bobby V will lite up a nice $25 Cuban cigar and laugh. When John comes back to TO, he’ll claim refugee status to Canadian Customs

By: borderline1988

borderline1988 — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:28:30 +0000

This is a really risky trade on behalf of the Blue Jays – those are arguably 2 of the Jays’s best 4 prospects.

But on the other hand, fans are tired of rebuilding and developing young talent..it’s been 20 years of missing the playoffs. Time to pull the trigger and go all out.
Anyways, the Jays window is short…Bautista, Encarnacion, Reyes, Buerhle, etc. are all in their prime.

I love this trade. Even if it doesn’t end up working out, it was the right thing to do, and I’d do it all over again in 5 years.

By: El Bravo

El Bravo — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:26:48 +0000

“The Jays are now the obvious favorites in the AL East, barring a surprise blitz from the Yankees.”

I call BULLSHIT! That is something you simply can never say about a team not named the Yankees in the AL East. Not to mention the Rays who always are in it and the O’s that are in it as of last season. The Red Sox are probably done, but who knows? Obvious? The only obvious thing here is how obvious that statement is grandiose and overreaching. The Yankees are still the best team in that division until proven otherwise ON THE FIELD. I hope the Jays do win, but to be so cocky about it is crazy in that division of all divisions in all of sports.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:06:22 +0000

“Cheers! It will be fun watching Detroit against the Jays. There will be thousands of Canadians in the stands when the Jays play Detroit.”

Get to the bridge early on game days.

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:43:51 +0000

I have to give you a thumbs up!

By: bravojawja

bravojawja — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:37:27 +0000

The real bummer here is that Dickey is now in the AL, where he doesn’t have to pick up and, more importantly, name a bat. Maybe he’ll get to pitch an interleague game or two.

I’m hoping he goes with By-Tor and the Snow Dog in honor of his new home.

By: historiophiliac

historiophiliac — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:22:23 +0000

If you win, I hope Homeland Security makes your exit miserably unpleasant. Ha!

By: purnellmeagrejr

purnellmeagrejr — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:58:39 +0000

If there’s anything that the hot stove league teaches us (especiallly recently) t’s that there’s is “Many a slip twixt cup and lip.
Look at the Philllies with their super rotation, e.g.

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:11:04 +0000

Cheers! It will be fun watching Detroit against the Jays. There will be thousands of Canadians in the stands when the Jays play Detroit.

By: historiophiliac

historiophiliac — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:37:43 +0000

Dickey-Dog, you mean?

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:51:37 +0000

I am sure while most Blue Jay fans want to see Dickey pitch against Verlander, a certain (she knows who she is) Detroit fan wants to see Dickey pitch against Fister.

By: cktai

cktai — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:44:00 +0000

RA Dickey is 7-0 in 10 games against the AL in the past three years. In those 10 games he has a 1.77 ERA, 0.915 WHIP and 2.91 FIP.

Although that is a small sample, there is no reason to suspect he will do worse against the AL than he did against the NL.

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:11:45 +0000

I want to than the Red Sox for making this trade possible. It is well known that d’Arnaud has now been involved in trades for 2 Cy Young winners (Doc and Dickey), but Boston’s role in this trade has been overlooked.

Syndergaard was drafted by the Jays with a compensatory draft pick that they were awarded when the Red Sox signed Marco Scutaro as a free agent. AA was willing to let Scutaro go because he was trying to collect draft picks. Thus, my thanks go out to the Red Sox and the Blue Jay scouts who recommended Syndergaard.

By: proudlycanadian

proudlycanadian — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:02:39 +0000

As a fellow long time Jays fan, I agree completely with your eloquent and oh so true statement.

By: jaysfan64

jaysfan64 — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:16:06 +0000

Last time the Jays made a similar trade for pitching, they traded a kid named Michael Young to Texas for a pre-Cy Young calibre Esteban Loaiza..conversely, last minute deals in 92 (Jeff Kent for David Cone) and 93 (Steve Karsay for Rickey Henderson) pushed the club to World Series titles…no matter how this turns out gotta give kudos to AA and Paul Beeston for delivering on their promises to field a competitive club (which nobody here believed, by the way) as well as having the stones to make that risky move (as Pat Gillick did years ago)…now, as it was then, the pressure’s on the players to “bring it home” and I think these guys will deliver..I don’t think anyone not familiar with the market, the city, or even all of Canada quite understands what the re-tooling of the Jays means to us as Torontonians, as Canadians…suffice it to say that as a survivor of the early years (anyone remember Barry Bonnell and Joey McLaughlin?) thru the good times (Robbie Alomar, “Touch ‘em all, Joe!”) to the dark ages again (Marty Janzen, Joey Hamilton, contraction rumours, losing Chris Carpenter) to the insane (3 starters, 5 position players on the DL at the same time, looking forward to Jayson Nix coming off the DL, the Farrell mess, which was a shot straight to the soul of all of us, regardless of what else we may say), as a survivor of all this and much more, to have my team not only truly relevant again after all these years, but have a real chance to make new memories for a new generation….makes me swell with pride to have been a Jays fan since 1977…So to guys like Alex Rios, who on his way out bad mouthed not only the organization but the city, claiming MLB should move the club “to somewhere where they care about baseball”, to people like him I say…”Hope to see you in the playoffs”…cause if this club can pull it off, folks, they’ll not only blow the roof off the Rogers Centre, this whole city and country will explode, too, just like it did in 1992 when Joe Carter caught the toss from Timlin at first…..

By: badintent

badintent — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:05:47 +0000

The motion is to tar and feather rayfeathers
The ayes have it
The motion is passed
Next order of business

By: badintent

badintent — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:01:43 +0000

@Old Gator,
You’re right OG, after the python hunting season , you can start with the rest of the bloggers here.Or bring in the Swamp People for hunting season, bloggers make good bait for gators.

By: badintent

badintent — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:56:57 +0000

So are the Knicks, see who’s leading the East Conference.

By: badintent

badintent — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:53:15 +0000

The EAST is so Stacked ! Come September, it will be a blood bath ! The team with the best bullpen wins. I hope Mo comes back strong but at his age, I’m burning a few candles for him now .Will be interesting if both Jose and Edwin can both put up 40+ home run seasons together.

By: canadabaseball

canadabaseball — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:21:53 +0000

Da’naurd has know been apart of 2 trades for cy young winners
THE MORE YOU KNOW

By: brewcrewfan54

brewcrewfan54 — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:59:27 +0000

Jokes on you, I’m an idiot and have no intention of ever leaving!

By: mrchainbluelightning

mrchainbluelightning — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:12:22 +0000

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/r-a-dickey-and-the-myth-of-one-great-year/

Educate yourself

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:07:54 +0000

Yeah, that little crack in his bedroom ceiling that he hasn’t paid attention to in years must be looking all kinds of hallucinatory to him at three thirty in the morning, no?

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:00:41 +0000

Yawn. Raysfeathers made the same idiotic observation on another thread and the stats were laid out before him for his delectation. As you can see, he jealously husbands his stupidity and was unable to assimilate the data in the form in which it was presented to him, viz., a few mostly one or two syllable words and Arabic numerals.

The case may be, rather, that Raysfeathers makes his own imbecility public in order to draw attention to himself.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:56:49 +0000

This is clearly the week for folks who are living in their own local media market Truman Shows to chime in about ballplayers they clearly know absolutely nothing about. It takes an educated, eloquent ballplayer like Biggeth Dicketh to bring out the ignorant, inarticulate nincompoops in droves. Nature herself, rising on a scaffold of adversarially charged particles, seems to have so mandated it.

Shrug it off. Idiots eventually get tired of hanging around here.

By: bluenoser23

bluenoser23 — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:06:18 +0000

LOL! The joke is on John Farrell! He might want to rethink where his “dream job” really will be this year. AA must be enjoying this particularly juicy bit of revenge on John “Benedict” Farrell. Enjoy beantown with Looney Larry L. and your BFF buddy Ben C. along with your disastrous pitching staff. Can’t wait to welcome you back to T.O. next year.

By: historiophiliac

historiophiliac — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 02:30:24 +0000

They be rancid raisins.

By: indaburg

indaburg — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 02:27:30 +0000

Really, rayfeathers? Making past abuse public to sell books? That’s a disgusting accusation to make about him and completely uncalled for.

By: js20011041

js20011041 — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 02:18:48 +0000

I think the Mets win this one regardless. This is a team thats not headed for the postseason in the immediate future. A 38 y/o pitcher, no matter how good he is, is of little value if he’s only helping improve the team from 75 to 80 wins. Turning R.A. Dickey into a couple players that have a really good shot at being key pieces to the next good Mets teams is huge. Regardless of how those players turn out, this was the right move for the Mets. Of course, this isn’t to say that the Jays have “lost” the trade. Dickey is a huge upgrade for a team that needed pitching. I just think that what makes this a successful trade for the Blue Jays is a much smaller window than for the Mets. Toronto has gone all in for the next couple of years. They need to turn this into something signifcant, which is easier said than done.