Comments on: Cubs sign Edwin Jackson to four-year, $52 million deal

By: 18thstreet

18thstreet — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:31:58 +0000

What do you mean “us”? Why is this a sad day for me? I’m not paying his salary.

By: 18thstreet

18thstreet — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:41:27 +0000

Um, I was making a joke. Mocking the ignorance of patsandsox by making a bunch of statements that are ridiculous.

I thought everyone knew that everyone knew that the previous Red Sox World Series win was 1918, which is why Theo Epstein’s credentials are impressive. If you DON’T think it’s a big deal to assemble the first (and second) Red Sox team since 1918 to win a World Series, then — fine — Theo’s an overrated media creation.

By: hisgirlgotburrelled

hisgirlgotburrelled — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:12:11 +0000

In what way is Lohse’s great season any way similar to Jackon’s inconsistency of a 55% QS%?

By: joegolfer

joegolfer — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:46:54 +0000

Won’t matter, since the Cubs won’t have to pay him anyway.
Some Mayan guy told me the world is ending today, Dec. 21st, so the Cubs are off the hook on this contract.

By: buggieowens

buggieowens — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:05:20 +0000

Where on Earth did you get that from? So when everyone was talking about that whole 86 year thing and the Curse of the Bambino, what did you think they were talking about? Well, at least you are right about Theo and winning the WS twice.

By: macjacmccoy

macjacmccoy — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 03:17:22 +0000

wheres he rank in era and whip? Stop cherry picking stats.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 02:35:27 +0000

Ah – you’ve got a Babylonian calendar, huh?

By: 78mu

78mu — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 01:08:37 +0000

Correction!

Every 105 years.

By: ocho

ocho — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:26:59 +0000

Whats so odd about not making a qualifying offer to him? Jackson is not worth $13 million and nobody was going to give up a draft pick for him with just as good/better options available. So at the end of the day he wouldve been back on the Nats getting paid about $6-7 million more than hes worth if they made a qualifying offer….good fit for a team not expected to contend (ie the 2012 Nationals), but he doesnt hold much value on a team expected to contend (ie the 2013 Nationals). That being said, he will be good for the Cubs.

By: spudchukar

spudchukar — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:41:42 +0000

And Kyle Lohse posted 24 quality starts in a MLB leading 33 starts.

By: yankeepunk3000

yankeepunk3000 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:40:24 +0000

wow 52 million??? we have just jumped the shark! this guy is crap yet for that much???? sad day for us indeed

By: lanflfan

lanflfan — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:37:16 +0000

“Fun fact: the Red Sox hadn’t won a World Series since the strike-shortened year of 1981. Now, to be fair, that one WAS third championship since 1973. But ending a 23-year drought? That’s impressive. And it was ever MORE impressive that the Red Sox won despite Jim Rice’s injured hand forcing Ed Jurak to play third base.”

I’m sure my brain is just not interpreting this right, but unless I have gone temporarily insane (always a possibility) the Dodgers won the 1981 World Series, and their AL opponent was the Yankees. Boston finished 1981 with a record of 59-49, good for 5th place in the AL East. Prior to 2004, the last Red Sox championship was 1918.

By: hisgirlgotburrelled

hisgirlgotburrelled — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:23:55 +0000

In 17 quality starts he had an ERA of 1.71… of course, this means he had just 17 out of 31 quality starts.

By: spudchukar

spudchukar — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:01:20 +0000

Since 2008 Jackson has pitched for 6 teams. What is it that Tampa Bay, Detroit, Arizona, Chicago (A), St. Louis, Washington and LA (N), know that the Cubs do not?

By: 18thstreet

18thstreet — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:53:42 +0000

I’m fascinated that anyone who won two World Serieseseses with Boston could ever be considered overrated.

Anyway, he’s the 2002 Red Sox, which Theo inherited: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2002.shtml

Yes, there were some building blocks there — the 93 wins would probably good enough for the playoffs in most years. Duquette built a good team. But — this is the thing — he didn’t win a World Series. The 2003 team didn’t win, either. Came close. Fun fact: the Red Sox hadn’t won a World Series since the strike-shortened year of 1981. Now, to be fair, that one WAS third championship since 1973. But ending a 23-year drought? That’s impressive. And it was ever MORE impressive that the Red Sox won despite Jim Rice’s injured hand forcing Ed Jurak to play third base.

By: Caught Looking

Caught Looking — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:53:23 +0000

This deal apparently has a full no trade clause.

By: senioreditor2

senioreditor2 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:40:14 +0000

lol

By: senioreditor2

senioreditor2 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:39:37 +0000

6 straight years 31+ starts…..I’m thinking he’s reliable….. I assume you meant more productive or successful?

By: muckey

muckey — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:39:25 +0000

Reliable? The guy averages 31 starts a year since 2007. Pretty reliable.

By: muckey

muckey — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:36:26 +0000

How long before somebody says a deal hasn’t been reached and that Jackson is still talking to other teams?

By: timpaz

timpaz — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:31:28 +0000

Think the Cubs could have used that money on a more reliable player than Jackson.

By: derklempner

derklempner — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:27:09 +0000

Ah, kind of like Carlos Zambrano, no?

By: hackerjay

hackerjay — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:29:50 +0000

Everyone that thinks JAckson is just a #4 starter has obviously never looked at what Jackson has done over the last few years. He’s not an ace by any stretch, but he’s way better then a #4.

Over the last three years he’s 27th in the league in WAR (Right around the same area as Lincecum, Cueto, and Floyd), he’s 30th in innings pitched, 43rd in FIP, and 27th in Ks. Put all of that together, and you have a guy that’s probably right around the 30th best pitcher in all of baseball. That’s a #2 pitcher on most teams, and at least a #3 on all but maybe three teams.

By: professormaddog31

professormaddog31 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:01:03 +0000

There’s currently a blizzard going on here in Wisconsin, and every time I think about the pitchers that the Cubs have signed – and not signed – it makes me want to go out onto my front lawn and allow the snow to bury me alive.

By: dcfan4life

dcfan4life — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:18:00 +0000

Anyone who has watched Edwin pitch consistantly understand why this may not be a good signing. The man has raw stuff, we all know that. And when he is on, he can be quite good. However, he is wildly inconsistant, and his stuff isnt good enough to get past his off days. When hes off, hes hammered. Pitches out over the plate and up. Big fat juicy pitches thrown up like grapefruits when hes off. And hes off way too often. This guy isnt 22 or 23, hes 29 with 8 years big league experience. And he has the same track record year after year. Never gets hurt, dominant at times, pounded at other times. Dont be surprised if the Cubs get both and only remember the latter, especially now with this contract…

By: senioreditor2

senioreditor2 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:51:47 +0000

At the end of the 2002 season, Lucchino appointed Epstein to replace interim GM Mike Port. Epstein is credited with making several key acquisitions, including David Ortiz, Kevin Millar, and Curt Schilling. FAR FROM A FRAUD!

By: senioreditor2

senioreditor2 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:25:18 +0000

I don’t believe we’ll see Theo’s plan until they rid themselves of Soriano’s contract. I always believed it was a 5 year plan.

By: patsandsox

patsandsox — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:24:53 +0000

Theo is a media created fraud. He took a team that Dan Duquette had well stocked with Manny, Pedro, Nomar, Veritek Wakefield, Lowe, Daubach, Everette, Trot Nixon, John Valentine Scott Hatterberg, Rich Garces Troy O’Leary and an aging Saberhagen. He made a couple of good trades (the Nomar move) and Won a WS with Dans team.
All his Free Agent moves were overpays at best and most were huge busts.

Notice that the owners didnt try to keep Theo in Boston

Cherrington seems like another one that over pays for medicore talent but at least he doesnt get us stuck in for 5-7 years each time like the boy blunder did

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:24:46 +0000

Wel-l-l, I was thinking more like “every fifth day,” but by all means, feel free to extrapolate.

By: nick5253

nick5253 — Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:38:20 +0000

“This wildly publicized rebuild that the Cubs are doing with no one asking what’s going on just amazes me.”

You obviously don’t read the local Chicago media. For every “Theo is doing the rebuild the right way” story there is at least one “The Cubs should spend money to compete now” article. You are never going to please everyone. I am holding off on my judgement of the front office until next year. The cupboard for the Cubs upper minors was incredibly bare. The best they had was shipped to Tampa for Garza. I would prefer a total and complete dismantling of what Hendry had built up, selling off all of these bad contracts and seeing what you have from the minors for a year or two.

It seemed as though they were going that route and at the same time, supplementing with these more flyer type free agent signings that they could flip at the deadline for even more prospects. That worked well with Maholm last year and I think they’ll hit on a couple this year (as well as miss a few). The Jackson signing is the only anomoly I can see, but at 13 mil per year, it really doesn’t hinder the payroll at all and given the lack of pitching talent coming up in the next 4 years, it makes sense to have an innnings eater guy locked up for 4 years.