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Why Torii Hunter’s comments about having a gay teammate matter

Dec 31, 2012, 9:00 AM EST

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As we noted yesterday, Torii Hunter was quoted in the Los Angeles Times saying that having a gay teammate would be “difficult and uncomfortable” for him because such a person is anathema to his religion.

A fairly popular response to these comments is, basically, “hey, it’s just his opinion, man.” Hunter is merely speaking his mind (as we sportswriters all wish more athletes would), and how dare we jump on a guy for merely saying how he feels? A more specific version of that response is to say that Hunter is entitled to his own religious/political/social convictions, and that we shouldn’t criticize a guy for them, even if we personally disagree.

Baloney. Hunter’s views on homosexuality and his right to speak his mind are a red herring. Totally beside the point. Indeed, one can agree 100% with Hunter’s religious views and/or his take on gay people and still find his comments here out of line. Not because of political, religious or social reasons, but purely for baseball reasons. His comments suggest he’s a bad teammate.

Hunter is essentially telling past, present and/or future gay teammates — which there likely have been, are, or will be on teams for which Hunter plays — he has a problem with them despite them never actually butting heads with him on any matter. And he’s doing so in the press, not one-on-one. Try to think of any other situation in which that would be considered acceptable from a clubhouse/professionalism standpoint:

  • “For me, as a Mike Scioscia guy … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone who manages differently than Mike Scioscia because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”
  • “For me, as a guy who thinks pitchers should bean guys after home runs … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone who doesn’t bean a guy after he hits a home run because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”
  • “For me, as a guy who thinks it’s OK to steal signs … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone who doesn’t steal signs because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”
  • “For me, as a hitter who uses all fields … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone who always tries to pull the ball because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”
  • “For me, as guy who always gives interviews … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone who doesn’t talk to the media, because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”
  • “For me, as an Arkansan … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone from Texas because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”
  • “For me, as a pop music fan … I will be uncomfortable playing with someone who listens to country music in the clubhouse because it’s not right. It will be difficult and uncomfortable.”

If any player said stuff like that to the press, people would be all over him. Not because of the substance of the opinion — what kind of music Hunter listens too is between him and his ears — but because he is unnecessarily alienating teammates. He, as a well-respected veteran, is signaling that some stuff will fly with him and some stuff won’t, and preemptively saying that teammates who don’t adhere to his view of the world are going to have a much harder time with him. We would never find that acceptable.

And so it goes for these comments too. Even if you think homosexuality is an abomination (I don’t), and even if you think Hunter has the absolute right, as a citizen, to say what he wants about it (I do), the fact that he is calling out potential — and possibly actual — teammates in the press in a negative light is significant for baseball purposes. Teams expect players to put aside their differences and come together as a unit. When they are unable to do that, teams expect the matter to be handled in-house, among players, and not have the conflicts aired in the media.

Here, however, we have a player publicly telling teammates that he’s going to have a hard time with them and that, as a result, they are going to be less welcome in a Torii Hunter-led clubhouse than others. And if you’re the Detroit Tigers, this should bother you.

201 Comments (Feed for Comments)
  1. ptfu - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:20 AM

    Torii Hunter may be a respected veteran, but he’s hardly the only one on the Tigers. MVP Miguel Cabrera, Prince Fielder, Justin Verlander, and the team’s other leaders need to make it clear that Torii Hunter does NOT speak for the clubhouse on this. A statement by Mike Ilitch, Dave Dombrowski, and/or Jim Leyland would also be very helpful right about now.

    Make it clear that the team welcomes anyone who can play. Period. Or as Miggy once said, “Si, mother$&@#*&”

    • florida727 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM

      Torii never said he was speaking on behalf of anyone else, or an entire clubhouse for that matter. He was asked a question, and he answered it. Face it, homosexuality is amoral. Not because Torri says so. Not because I say so. Homosexuality is amoral because GOD SAYS SO. Thumbs-down it all you want. The fact remains, it’s wrong. But of course in today’s politically correct society, we have to cater to the minority don’t we? Why conform when you can cry discrimination. Wouldn’t want to hurt a homosexual’s feelings now, would we?

      • yahmule - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:19 AM

        Grow up.

      • Old Gator - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM

        That’s odd. In Charles Gates’ post to the adjacent blog, the late Ryan Freel said he talked to an imaginary voice in his head named Farney. Here, Florida727 claims to talk to an imaginary voice in his head named God. What a coincidence.

      • Charles Gates - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:57 AM

        God spoke to you? Or you read the so called words of god in a book highly edited by Roman kings (originally penned by men hundreds of years after the death of Jesus) that discerned what chapters to include and exclude based upon their personal power agendas and political alliances?

        It’s what you’re calling fact that I find so appalling.

      • SOBEIT - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:19 PM

        Actually, Tori and your beliefs are in the minority. Check the stats…and we have catered to your beliefs for way too long. But it was very cute how you emphasized god in all caps…so forceful and demonstrative. And by the way, is it the Old Testament god or New Testament god because they are very different.

        –“Why conform when you can cry discrimination. Wouldn’t want to hurt a homosexual’s feelings now, would we?”

        So you are saying everyone needs to conform to your beliefs? Are you not basically crying reverse discrimination without a hint of hypocrisy?

      • southofheaven81 - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:11 PM

        Piss off, bigot.

      • normcash - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:18 PM

        I always think it’s hilarious when religious nuts claim their peculiar opinions are “facts”.
        Then again, language is always the first casualty of extremism as George Orwell so
        brilliantly showed.

  2. Jack Marshall - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:21 AM

    Excellent analysis, Craig. Spot on.

  3. beelza - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:30 AM

    Shahid Khan owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. His religion is Islam. Islam has ZERO tolerance homosexuality. I expect the same outrage that Craig has for Torii to be equally applied to Khan. In Kahn’s religion you can be put to death for engaging in any homosexual behaviour. Should Kahn face “social sanctions” or fan pressure for his ideology-of course not. So the difference b/t Torii and Khan is one whom verbalized his belief and one whom did not. Tigers nation embraces Torii and we welcome him. Detroiters know well that the majority of the country has a very low opinion for us, our lifestyle, our city. In this light, we don’t give a rats ass what anyone else thinks, including you Craig. Now come tell me I’m intolerant and people like me are the reason Detrroit…blah, blah blah. Here’s a story Craig, you report the news, you don’t create the news. If you want to sew the seeds of social discourse do it in your own blog. This country’s founders intended to have public opinion and it’s expressions therein protected from entities (government). Now their are limitations to this freedom, but Torii in no way approached the line that defines these limitations. Why Craigs remarks do not matter.

    • paperlions - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM

      Or, maybe, like most Christians, Khan doesn’t take all of the edicts of the text that is the basis for his religion at face value. There are multiple “sins” in the bible that would result in the burning of nearly every married woman and the stoning of nearly every child in the US today if people took the bible literally and acted on all of the core 2000 year old “values” it contains….but they don’t because those things are anachronistic, misogynistic, machismo clap-trap.

      There are plenty of places to learn values that are far better than those you can get from a text written by a bunch of guys over a 1000 years ago…..shockingly, or not, people of many faiths do this the vast majority of the time.

    • seattlej - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM

      Wow. For someone that lives in Detroit, a metropolis with a significant Muslim population, you sure do manage to portray your complete ignorance of that religion.

    • Matt S - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:30 AM

      So you’re basically assuming that all Muslims, including the owner of the Jaguars, hold homophobic beliefs even if they, unlike Torii Hunter, keep their opinions to themselves. Despicable.

    • cur68 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:32 AM

      Psssst: this is NOT strictly a news site. This IS Craig’s blog. Not his personal one, but one in which he airs his opinions about all things baseball. If you want only baseball news go to a news site. This one’s called “Hard-Ball-TALK” an on here we talk about baseball. Get it? News happens, sure, but as a vehicle for discussion. As such our blogger there, Lex Luthor, gets to ALSO discuss the issue.

      Also, I can think of a couple of “Tiger Nation” members who do NOT embrace Torii Hunter AT ALL. Their opinion is AS GOOD (probably better, but that’s MY opinion) than yours.

      One last thing: I, a Canadian, appear to know your country’s founding principle of free speech better than you, an American. NO ONE, Craig least of all, is stepping on Torii’s right to make an ass of himself. If you had read (or comprehended) what Craig wrote, you would find that his opinion is based around Hunter’s appalling inability to be A GOOD TEAMMATE and NOT his freedom of speech.

      Jeez.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:48 AM

        “hard ball” he he

      • cur68 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:50 AM

        b00bz, too

      • Old Gator - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:19 PM

        One of my oldest and dearest friends – and an usher at my wedding – is a bisexual Muslim. He, like any number of other Muslim friends, is a modern gentleman who makes his own decisions about how much of sharia he will or won’t take seriously, just as Jewish friends elect to varying degrees to observe the shulcan arouch and Christian friends how much of the Testaments they will take to heart. I admire and respect them so much more than the androids I know who fall hook line and sucker for a particular “take” on their particular sacred texts and then pose as “devout followers” of all of it.

        Incidentally, speaking of the “word of God” being “revealed truth,” Biblical directives about how to be a good slave owner were the foundation of the antebellum Southern Baptist conviction in the moral rightness and “natural” order of white racial supremacy and used to justify slave ownership in America through the Civil War, and to justify segregation and virulent racism after it. The Dutch Reformed Church used the same rationale to valorize the “natural order” of apartheid in South Africa.

        There’s only so much “word of God” you can take before social blood poisoning sets in.

      • paperlions - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:46 PM

        Who thumbed down “b00bz”? I didn’t even know that was possible.

      • cur68 - Dec 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM

        The world is a crazy place some days.

  4. ebrownwareagle - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:31 AM

    DON’T ASK THE DAMN QUESTIONS, if YA DON’T WANT THE TRUTH!!

    • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM

      Oh, please. This isn’t Torii’s first rodeo. He knows how it goes. Quite honestly, on this one, he could’ve learned from a rookie: “That’s a clown question, bro” and move on.

      • indaburg - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:09 PM

        But it wasn’t a clown question. It’s a valid one.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:46 PM

        Burgie, I kinda feel it is a clown question — as dumb as asking if he cares that he plays with guys who bat left, or right, or (gasp) switch. ;) I look forward to the day when we don’t ask it b/c to do so assumes it’s an issue.

      • indaburg - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:50 PM

        Since we’re not there yet, it’s not a clown question. Hopefully one day, it will be.

  5. autmorsautlibertas - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:32 AM

    Craig,

    First of all, you are foisting your ideas of moral behavior on others. If Torii Hunter wants to consider homosexuality immoral and repugnant, that is his right. Your attempt to villanize Mr. Hunter for holding beliefs contrary to your own is a typical liberal smear tactic.

    Second, as an attorney, you are aware (or should be) that the law does not extend civil rights protection to sexual preference. People cannot change the color of their skin. They cannot change their age. Homosexuality is a behavior. Civil rights protection should not be extended to a “behavior” considered abominable by a large portion of the “unenlightened” public. Homosexuals represent perhaps 5% of the population. (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-adults-overestimate-homosexual-population-much-tenfold) Do we extend legal protection to the practices of pederasts if their population grows to 5%?

    Third, I have observed the use, in the comments above, of the word “homophobe” To an educated man who is familiar with Latin, the word “homophobe” would imply a “fear” of homosexuals. Abhorrence of a behavior considered deplorable under your own moral code does not automatically make someone “frightened” of someone else exhibiting those behaviors. Labeling someone with a word like “homophobe” and then implying that a “homophobe” is an evil, hateful person is a smear tactic.

    Craig, I love your website and the writers, but why are you allowing your bloggers to make political and moral commentary? Hunter’s comments were newsworthy I suppose, but why would baseball writers feel compelled to villanize Hunter for merely saying that it would make him “uncomfortable” ? Hunter did not say anything “hateful”, he was just being honest about how he felt. Is MSNBC directing you guys to insert political propaganda and intellectually manipulative argument into your sportwrting to further the agenda of the liberal media? I am not a big conspiracy theorist, but I smell a rat here.

    • alang3131982 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:38 AM

      The problem with Torii’s comments is that they are quite damningly hypocritical. He is uses religion as a prop for stupid prejudices he has. Where was religion when he fathered children out of wed lock?

      Question — does he speak out against his teammates that masterbate? Or how about his teammates that have premarital sex? Or what about those who drink in excess? What about those that abuse drugs (such as pain killers). All of these things are against the word of god. In fact, iirc, the probably with acting on homosexuality is that it wastes god’s gift, i.e., the ability to procreate. I dont see a ton of difference, via the church’s stance, between masterbation and acting on homosexuality. Also, what if the gay person wasnt acting on it, would it be ok than? B/c as far as i Know he didnt break any commandments….

      It’s all hogwash. Torii is uncomfortable because he is a close minded bigot. He uses religion as a prop to hide behind — relgion can, in no way, justify this point of view and Hunter not speaking out on any number of other issues…

      • tman37 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:58 AM

        OK lt’s put this in pespective. How many straight Women would be uncomfortable sharing a locker room and getting undressed in front of straight men. Does that mean that most women hate men?

      • alang3131982 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:08 AM

        Do you have a problem going to the gym and using the dressing room? I live in a pretty gay neighborhood. I have no issue changing in my gym when I know there are gay people doing the same thing. You know why? Because there is nothing sexual or depraved about changing or showering. Millions of straight men and gay men change clothes in close proximity (heck, I bet it has happened several hundred times in MLB locker rooms) without incident or the gay man being unable to control himself and then raping (or whatever homophobes think a gay man would do to all the sexy straight dudes). If Torii Hunter is uncomfortable that’s his problem, that’s not the gay person’s problem.

        I also lived in dorms with co-ed showers. The women seemed to have no problem sharing them.

        This sense that it’s a gay person’s problem that straight homophobes feel uncomfortable is ludicrous.

      • paperlions - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM

        tman, wrong context. The proper analogy for how a straight guy should feel in a dressing room or shower with a gay guy would be if one straight guy was in a woman’s dressing room full of lesbians; as in that case the straight guy may be attracted to any number of the women, but the women would have no interest in him whatsoever. [yes, I realize the analogy breaks down because the women could be attracted to each other, but the focus of the analogy is the attitude of the many toward the presence of the one.]

    • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:58 AM

      Sexual orientation is not a protected class under federal law but in some state and local jurisdictions it is. Even my city covers it. As they say, I think you are on the wrong side of history on this one.

    • Sign Ahead - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:00 AM

      This isn’t all that convincing. Pedantic, with a whiff of anxiety and self pity? Sure. Convincing? No.

      Sure, a large portion of the country does consider homosexuality to be abominable, but that portion is shrinking every day. It won’t be long before “homsexuality is an abominable choice” gets designated for assignment, just like “Blacks and whites should never marry,” “Women are incapable of casting a rational vote,” and “Move to the back of the bus, lady.”

      Discrimination is discrimination. Your timorous moral outrage and the size of the affected group don’t matter at all. When we see a pack of bullies circling their victim, we don’t say “It’s only one person”. We say “That’s not right!” and we do something about it. Often, to our great discredit, we wait until we’re safely surrounded by people who agree with us. But we do act, and as a culture we celebrate those who stand up against oppression.

      • normcash - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:27 PM

        Hear! Hear!

    • alang3131982 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM

      Do you have a problem going to the gym and using the dressing room? I live in a pretty gay neighborhood. I have no issue changing in my gym when I know there are gay people doing the same thing. You know why? Because there is nothing sexual or depraved about changing or showering. Millions of straight men and gay men change clothes in close proximity (heck, I bet it has happened several hundred times in MLB locker rooms) without incident or the gay man being unable to control himself and then raping (or whatever homophobes think a gay man would do to all the sexy straight dudes). If Torii Hunter is uncomfortable that’s his problem, that’s not the gay person’s problem.

      I also lived in dorms with co-ed showers. The women seemed to have no problem sharing them.

      This sense that it’s a gay person’s problem that straight homophobes feel uncomfortable is ludicrous.

    • thebadguyswon - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

      Yup….I’m calling bullshit on this entire story. Its being blown up to get hits. And its succeeding obviously.

    • normcash - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:26 PM

      You’re right autmors—-“homophobe” literally does mean “fear” of gay people and that probably doesn’t accurately describe many of the intolerant. “Anti-gay bigot” is more accurate—and you
      are a perfect example of it, as your silly post and the “arguments” therein attest.

    • Gamera the Brave - Jan 4, 2013 at 11:28 AM

      “Homosexuality is a behavior. ”
      And that is why everything you said is totally wrong.
      As soon as you describe homosexuality as a “behavior” or a “lifestyle” you forfeit the field of discussion. Those words imply conscious choice. In other words, at some point in a person’s life they have to make a decision as to which gender they are physically, viscerally attracted.

      As humanity slowly comes to the realization that some people are gay, just as some are blue-eyed, or left-handed – and that it’s just as genetically driven – stupid, incoherent, factually incorrect arguments like this will fade away.

      Sadly, it’s not today…

      I am too depressed by this comment to take it all on, sorry…

  6. brandontroutman - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:35 AM

    What a bunch of crap. In a country where we bash people for not telling the truth, we have a man tell the truth, and he’s slammed for it. Sure, it might not be a pro-gay comment, but not everything in this country has to be pro-gay, pro-yankees, etc, etc. People have the right to speak their mind, and they have an obligation to be honest, both of which Hunter did.

    We don’t have to like what he said, but we have to deal with it. Quit being so d*mn sensitive. It’s not like he went all John Rocker on everyone.

    • alang3131982 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:41 AM

      It should be pro humanity though….not begoted, prejudiced and without any basis in fact or faith.

      • brandontroutman - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM

        We aren’t all built the same, physically or mentally, the notion we all should be on the same page is nice, but it’s not realistic. In a world full of sugar coating and fairy tales, we need more honesty, whether it’s what we want to hear or not.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:25 AM

      Quit being so d*mn sensitive.

      There is nothing more hilarious than someone bitching about others bitching and telling people to stop being so sensitive.

  7. jaybird22seven - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:36 AM

    So should a gay baseball player have to have a separate dressing room and shower area ? Makes you wonder.

    • Charles Gates - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:45 AM

      A separate but equal dressing and shower area?

      • Sign Ahead - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:53 PM

        Charles, the scorekeepers are still conferring, but I think you may have just won the internet.

      • Gamera the Brave - Jan 4, 2013 at 11:35 AM

        Plessy v. Ferguson much?

  8. 1historian - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:37 AM

    Was Hunter asked a specific question which led to his answer? Or did he offer the opinion without being asked?

    In any case – he made the statement honestly and directly. Immediately (from the safety & anonymity offered by the internet) there sprung up a veritable chorus of condemnation.

    FYI – I am a conservative Catholic. I believe that for a man to be sexually attracted to another man is not sinful, (same for women) but to give in to that temptation is wrong and sinful.

    EVERYBODY – BRACE YOURSELVES BECAUSE HERE COME THE TWO DREADED “C” WORDS.

    Chastity

    Celibacy

    To all of those who will jump all over me for what I said – Imagine that you’re on a sports team and you know that one of your teammates is gay. How do you feel when you’re in the shower and he’s looking at your junk?

    • alang3131982 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:44 AM

      Question — what’s the difference between acting on homosexuality or having sex with a condom or masturbating? In none of these instances can a child come of the act of (self) love.

      How is homosexuality worse than the aforementioned hetero acts? Or do you just find one normal and allow it and the other repugnant?

      If you believe in chastity and celibacy how do you feel about major league ball players, like say, Torii HUnter, who father children with multiple women? Shouldnt he be condemmed just as much as teh gay person who acts on his nature?

    • hconnor2001 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:53 AM

      “How do you feel when you’re in the shower and he’s looking at your junk?”

      In the highly unlikely event that it even occurred to me to waste time considering the possibility, I’d imagine he’d wish he hadn’t bothered.

      Honestly, questions like this seem to say far more about the people posing them than they do about the situation being questioned. In any event, the scenario you posit suggests one man being sexually attracted to another which, according to you, is no sin and thus not something, if I understand this correctly, that you have any place, as a “conservative Catholic”, making any judgement about.

    • Sign Ahead - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

      “How do you feel when you’re in the shower and he’s looking at your junk?”

      What a remarkably self-aggrandizing thing to say. Is your junk so irresistible that gay men can’t take their eyes off it? It must be magnificent junk indeed.

      This argument, much like the “They’re gonna take our women!” canard of the civil right era is doubly ridiculous. First, for assuming that gay men and women are incapable of self control. And second, for worrying that they are interested in you at all.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:35 AM

        What a remarkably self-aggrandizing thing to say. Is your junk so irresistible that gay men can’t take their eyes off it? It must be magnificent junk indeed.

        Sweet baby jesus thank you for finally bringing this up. You have to love the arrogance of some people like, I’m so good looking that gay men and straight women can’t keep their eyes of me!

        Also, the stupidity of some people and their inability to control their hormones is shocking in today’s society. “OMG A naked person is next to me, what ever will I do?!?!?!” If Rosie O’Donnell* was naked in the shower next to you, would you have thoughts of lust towards her merely because she was a naked woman**?

        *apologies for the terrible image
        ** sorry again

      • paperlions - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:54 PM

        *Apology rejected.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 31, 2012 at 8:29 PM

        How about if i post a .gif of katy perry jumping around?

        forgiven then?

    • cur68 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:42 AM

      Honestly, I wish we had an openly gay commenter male on here, because I’d love to here what he had to say about this one. I suggest that you Mr. 1historian, would get laughed at and it would be FABULOUS.

      I’m in a bit of a unique position. A good portion of the men I work with have been gay. Know what? Every one of them found it within their ability to resist staring at MY junk. In fact, in 17 years I’ve never known of a single problem with my gay colleagues in that way. Wish I could say the same for the straight ones.

      That’s a terrifying and lonely world you live in bubba.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM

        Honestly, I wish we had an openly gay commenter male on here, because I’d love to here what he had to say about this one

        I’m about 99.9% sure we do, and I think I remember the nick but as I’m not 100% I’m not putting him on the spot. I wish there were tags that made it easier b/c last time we had one of these debates said person discussed how being gay in society was difficult. To google i go!

      • indaburg - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:53 PM

        Your junk must be more resistable than 1historian’s.

      • cur68 - Dec 31, 2012 at 5:55 PM

        Do not besmirch the good name of my junk. My junk is known and respected by some pretty unimpeachable sources.

    • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:11 PM

      FYI, not even close to the dreaded c-word.

    • indaburg - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:48 PM

      Funny. Having grown up as a Catholic, my two dreaded C words are Conservative and Catholic.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:08 PM

        Oh, I shut that whole thing down.

    • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Dec 31, 2012 at 4:54 PM

      Again with the stereotype that gay men are voracious sexual animals who want to just grab a hold of your penis and never let go. It’s not true and only proves how ignorant you are. Have you ever hung out with a gay man before?

  9. mauldawg - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:47 AM

    Thanks Tori for speaking how you feel.America has become a land of cowards.When you cant say how you feel with out the low lifes crawing out from under the rocks to tell you that you are wrong.Everyone wants something for nothing.If they are not given everything the cry like little kids.America has become a land of trash.

    • echech88 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:01 AM

      Except he is being a coward by hiding behind religion as why he is uncomfortable instead of just saying he is uncomfortable.

      If he wants to play the religion game, let’s dissect other parts of the book his life fails to follow.

      Point is yes, he has a right to his opinion. He should own it instead of hide behind some kind of cop-out.

  10. ck101 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM

    I don’t know if this was previously mentioned, but among the many things one might point out to Torii Hunter is that his slavish adherence to biblical teachings may be a bit hard to square with the fact that he has multiple children by multiple women, some of whom are living far away from where he does. I seem to recall the Bible being less than enthusiastic about this sort of thing.

    Torii Hunter seems a well-intentioned fellow who’s done some good things, but I have never understood how he’s become perceived as this highly respected font of wisdom and knowledge. This is a guy who’s punched a teammate, thrown a ball at an opposing player during a fight, and repeatedly threw Twins teammates under the bus when convenient for him. I get the sense he knows how to play the media game and knows being friendly with reporters will help him out in the long run.

  11. mrlaloosh - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:53 AM

    Craig, I think you dost protest too much. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • Gamera the Brave - Jan 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      Nuke,
      I can’t tell if you are butchering Shakespeare to ask Craig if he’s in the closet for being gay, Christian, or a Seinfeld fan…

  12. echech88 - Dec 31, 2012 at 10:58 AM

    With many others, I take issue with how hypocritical Hunter comes off on this one. It really doesn’t matter to me that it is homosexuality in this case, but that he used religion as a shield instead of “This is what I, TORII HUNTER, feel”

    As a guy who has been outspoken on the state of black players in the game, it is a bit of a head scratcher that he would want to go on the record with something that reminds a lot of people about the reasoning for keeping black players from playing with white players in the past (or using drinking fountains, bathrooms, etc)

    Religion is a cop-out to saying what HE thinks. If religion justified an unpopular opinion, he’d be forced to agree with the religious-minded KKK then, no?

  13. kirkvanhouten - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:06 AM

    Charles Barkley:
    “First of all, society discriminates against gay people. They always try to make it like jocks discriminate against gay people. I’ve been a big proponent of gay marriage for a long time, because as a black person, I can’t be in for any form of discrimination at all.”

  14. olderose - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM

    The poor guy gave the answer any straight man would honestly give–being checked out in the shower makes me uncomfortable. Do women like the idea of having a guy ogling them in the locker room? Well, that’s precisely how Tori and his straight teammates would feel, KNOWING the guy next to them is excited by their gear. Is that so tough to understand? Sure, there must be gays in baseball, but they are smart enough to realize that advertising their sexual preferences has no place in the game. What they do in their own bedrooms is a private matter, and needs to stay that way.

    • Charles Gates - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM

      You are repugnant.

    • Kevin S. - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:17 PM

      I am a straight guy. I showered in an open locker room hundreds of times. It’s a statistical near-certainty that I’ve showered with gay men before. It’s certainly possible some of those gay guys have been checking me out in the showers, although I seriously doubt it. When you’re showering off from a workout, you aren’t thinking about sex, you’re thinking about getting cleaned up and going home. Regardless, I never felt the least bit uncomfortable about the possibility that somebody might be checking me out. Try not to project your neanderthal insecurities on the more evolved men in this world.

      • Charles Gates - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:29 PM

        I’ve had gay guys hit on me before. I thought it was flattering.

  15. anxovies - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:16 AM

    Playing the Devil’s Advocate, being “uncomfortable” is a far cry from discrimination or gay bashing. Are we demanding that he somehow must feel “comfortable” around a gay teammate? Whether or not sexual preference is a protected class under some state laws, the fact does not entitle the state, or us, to demand that persons think in a certain way about homosexuality. Creating a thought police is not a good way to enforce tolerance.

    • anxovies - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:29 PM

      I guess I am wrong. Apparently, 4 people out of 6 think that creating a thought police is a good way to enforce tolerance.

  16. brent05cards - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:24 AM

    STOP wasting our time with your opinion on homosexuality. This is a sports arena where we talk about sports. Your opinion and Tori’s carries very little weight. Please get back to writing about sports.

    • paperlions - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:26 AM

      It is December 31st, there isn’t any baseball to write about….door’s on your left.

      • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:54 AM

        Don’t you have football cretins to troll? ;)

      • paperlions - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:03 PM

        I guess you haven’t been over to PFT….it is impossible to have a discussion over there, part of it is the formatting of the comments section (and the tendency of the moderators to delete posts), but mostly….it is just the sheer volume of neanderthals that preclude any decent exchanges…even gets in the way of effect trolling. :-(

      • historiophiliac - Dec 31, 2012 at 3:10 PM

        Perhaps that should give you pause. Consider the company you keep.

        (And, yes, you are right — I haven’t been to PFT. But, I will probably watch some college ball mañana, if that makes you feel any better.)

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:37 AM

      Craig’s blog, Craig’s rules. Don’t like it, peace!

  17. aintthenazz - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM

    Hey, lets all get in an uproar, because HBT wishes it!

    • Old Gator - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:37 AM

      The Nazz, eh?It’s been a while since we’ve had a Lord Buckley fan on here.

      • Sign Ahead - Dec 31, 2012 at 2:30 PM

        Hey! I’m here almost every day, talking baseball with the hipsters, the flipsters and the finger-poppin’ daddies.

  18. phillytj - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:33 AM

    You took this completely out of context. Homosexual teammates may cause certain players to be uncomfortable. It doesn’t mean he’s a bigot or hates gays.

    • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:17 PM

      Hunter is falling prey to a commonly held stereotype about gay men, which is that their entire lives are sexualized. Hunter would be “uncomfortable” because he would be thinking, “oh man, that gay guy over there totally wants to look at my penis while I’m changing.” Which is not true at all. A gay man in a locker room just wants to change like everyone else.

      So yes, Hunter is being a bit bigoted.

  19. bigmeechy74 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:36 AM

    I wonder how he feels about slavery and rape since the Bible doesn’t seem to have too much of a problem with them

  20. ningenito78 - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:38 AM

    You missed a big point Craig. He didn’t hold a press conference and announce ‘I don’t feel comfortable having a gay teammate’. He was ASKED the question an answered it honestly. If people don’t want to hear his answer then don’t ask the friggin question. I guess it would have been better to lie and quietly be homophobic for the sake of his team. Which is freakin stupid.

    • seattlej - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:14 PM

      Your comment is freakin stupid.

      Why does it matter at all when/where/how he said it? He still didn’t have to say it, he could easily have said that he had no comment on that. He’s no rookie at this and has made inflammatory remarks in the past. He knew what he was doing and made a conscious decision to make the statement.

  21. Matt S - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:39 AM

    To paraphrase Bill Hicks, I don’t mind homophobic people so long as they restrict their homophobic behavior to the privacy of their own homes.

  22. sawxalicious - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM

    I applaud Hunter for actually stating what is on his mind. I have a feeling that once he discovers some of his past and present good teammates are gay, he would probably reevaluate his stance on his comfort level (not necessarily his beliefs). When I was in the Armed Forces (Army Infantry) I also thought it would be an uncomfortable situation to serve with gay soldiers in my unit. Then I found out a couple of the guys in the unit who were good soldiers and friend were gay…I realized that even though I did not necessarily agree with their lifestyle, working alongside them was no big deal, and I’d work with them again in a heartbeat.

    I’ll bet Jackie Robinson changed a lot of players’ personal thoughts on playing alongside a black man. Before he came along, they assumed it would be wierd, because that was what society told them. Once they had the opportunity to play on the same field as Jackie, they realized he’s a regular guy and a lot of their preconceived notions and fears proved to be baseless. Baseball needs a gay Jackie Robinson to help us put all this stuff in the past.

  23. jbwhatever - Dec 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM

    Geez Florida. This is exactly why people hate religious nuts. Putting your feelings about two people getting married ahead of THEIR OWN FEELINGS. THEY’RE THE ONES GETTING MARRIED YOU IDIOT. YOU’RE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE? THEN DON’T MARRY A GAY. AND KEEP OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS! Keep hiding your hate behind the bible.

    florida727 – Dec 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM
    GOD SAYS SO. Thumbs-down it all you want. The fact remains, it’s wrong. But of course in today’s politically correct society, we have to cater to the minority don’t we? Why conform when you can cry discrimination. Wouldn’t want to hurt a homosexual’s feelings now, would we?

  24. ningenito78 - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:00 PM

    Torri has a history of saying stupid shit about his teammates. This is yet another example. Just because he is honest about his stupid opinions doesn’t mean we have to let him blither them into a microphone without comment about how intellectually dishonest, divisive, and foolish they are.

    You are 100% right. So then don’t ask the question if you don’t want to hear the answer.

  25. SOBEIT - Dec 31, 2012 at 12:06 PM

    So I need some clarification from Tori. Are you opposed to a 3way with 2 girls and the girls get it on too? Or are you OK as long as the girls don’t interact with each other. Or are you against 3ways where it is 2 dudes and the guy can see your aroused junk..but the 2 guys are heterosexual and so that is ok…wink wink.

    • Kevin S. - Dec 31, 2012 at 1:19 PM

      The bible says nothing about lesbians. Also, girl-on-girl action is HAWT. Do you actually expect him to feel hypocritical about this?

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