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Mariners and Marlins have discussed Giancarlo Stanton trade

Jan 1, 2013, 11:45 PM EST

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Here’s the report from FOX Sports’ Jon Morosi:

The Seattle Mariners and Miami Marlins have had discussions about a trade that would send outfielder Giancarlo Stanton to Seattle, but one source told FOXSports.com that a deal appears doubtful at this point.

“Deal appears doubtful” being the key set of words.

The Mariners would have to clean out their farm system to pull off a trade for Stanton and aren’t in a position to do that given the many weaknesses on their big league roster and relatively modest budget. The M’s are hoping Taijuan Walker and Danny Hultzen can become good, cost-controlled starters. Their other top prospect — Mike Zunino — is a catcher and the Marlins got Rob Brantly from the Tigers last summer.

Miami has made it known that all offers will be considered for Stanton, but the Fish are going to want a ton in return. Stanton, 23, has slugged 71 home runs over the past two seasons. He posted a .969 OPS in 2012.

  1. tuberippin - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:07 AM

    Honestly I think that if Seattle was that inclined to get Stanton they could do so. I find it hard to believe that an offer of their top three pitching prospects (Hultzen, Walker, Paxton) + a reliever like Stephen Pryor wouldn’t be able to net Stanton.

    Not that that wouldn’t be another terrible deal by Jack Z, but Seattle isn’t lacking for prospects if they were completely enamored with the notion of Stanton at Safeco for a few years.

  2. thejotapee - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:13 AM

    Called it yesterday. Only way a trade gets done is if the a Mariners part with their top 4 prospects: Danny Hultzon, Taijuan Walker, Nick Franklin, and Mike Zunino.

  3. losanginsight - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM

    Ethier. Dee and Zach Lee should get it done

  4. professormaddog31 - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    Does this surprise anyone? The last piece of the puzzle for ol’ Scrooge would be to scuttle Stanton. Why give the few remaining Marlins fans a reason to come to the park? I bet Loria would use it as a tax write off somehow and make even more money.

    • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM

      With everything they already did there is little reason to hold on to him tbh. If you could fleece someone like the M’s for their best prospects toss them in with the ones you have already landed and try a Rays like rebound.

  5. oilrod - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    Not worth what Marlins want. He hit 71 Homers in two years. Did any body mention the High strike out totals, Did any one mention he never has drove in a hundred runs. Did any one mention he never scored a hundred runs. Not Close on either. AN out fielder. That is an one dimensional hitter. Is not worth what they want for him.Period

    • yahmule - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:51 AM

      Did anyone mention he’s only 23?

    • Old Gator - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:54 AM

      Um…969 OPS. 23 years old. Barely. Missed something, did you? It’s hard to score a hundred runs when there’s no one else in the lineup who can drive you in. Similarly, it’s hard to drive people in when they aren’t on base in the first place. Look at what he’s been surrounded with in the Feesh batting order. As an outfielder, he’s got a howitzer for an arm, he throws accurately and already no one takes third on him if the play looks remotely close, and he’s getting better. Yes, his strikeout totals are high – but that’s normal for a masher. He’s also very fast and a stolen base threat. He’s a young ballplayer who has steadily improved just about every aspect of his game year by year,

    • cktai - Jan 2, 2013 at 2:41 AM

      To put that age into context: Stanton has almost hit twice as many home runs before turning 23 than all 6 of the starting outfielders in the 2012 all star game combined.

      High strike-out rates are normally problematic, but Stanton compensates for it with tremendous power. This year, he has the highest slugging of any player with more than 400 PA. Furthermore, despite his high strike-out rates, he still has an above average OBP and batting average. What more could you possibly expect from a 22 year old?

      • paperlions - Jan 2, 2013 at 7:59 AM

        Most guys with K rates over 25% can be pitched to….perhaps Stanton will be the exception, but MLB pitcher often figure out how to pitch to guys with contact problems, which can make it difficult for low contact rate guys to maintain their production long term. It’ll depend on whether or not he can adjust to whatever pitchers start to try to take advantage of….lots of HRs are nice, but to be a truly elite player he’s going to have to couple that with a .380+ OBP. He just turned 23, considering what he’s done so far, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make the necessary adjustments as pitchers try to attack weaknesses they see on video.

      • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:18 PM

        Exactly Paper. The big question is once the big league pitchers make adjustments to how they attack him will he adjust back. I think he most likely will but if I was ownership I’d see if I could fleece the M’s (or someone else) for 4 or 5 high prospects (with the bulk of them being arms).

    • bigmeechy74 - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:19 PM

      Did you really just write that? And did you criticize him for rbi’s? Please tell me you are just trolling. Please….

    • bigmeechy74 - Jan 4, 2013 at 3:08 PM

      LOL this comment is so bad that it’s mentioned on deadspin… http://deadspin.com/5973026/internet-commenters-should-probably-stop-trying-to-trade-for-giancarlo-stanton

  6. markovellidadon - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:28 AM

    @losanginsight
    Would love to see this happen. I doubt Loria would be willing to take on Either’s contract unless the LAD pony up at least half of it. It is possible though.

    • thejotapee - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:56 AM

      It’s not possible. The Dodgers farm system outside or Lee and Gordon is weak. It won’t be enough to get a deal done. Don’t hold your breath.

      • paperlions - Jan 2, 2013 at 7:40 AM

        Gordon? He’s can’t get on base or field, can he? He’s fast, which is nice, but not particularly useful without other skills.

      • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:20 PM

        Gordon himself is weak. Dude has nothing but speed to offer. Useless if you can’t get on base though.

      • tuberippin - Jan 2, 2013 at 2:02 PM

        Don’t forget about Webster

    • Old Gator - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:58 AM

      No it isn’t. You don’t know Scrooge McLoria well enough yet.

      • professormaddog31 - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM

        Wow, Gator, you’re up late! I’m usually one for late night blogging but I rarely see you on the boards so late at night.

      • Old Gator - Jan 2, 2013 at 9:12 AM

        That was New years night – I slept so late yesterday that I was still full of piss and vinegar into the wee hours. Normally, late nights are when I do most of my “real” writing, research reading and editing work – no phone calls, Fido up in his corner by the ceiling, the Ouija Scrabble board inert because the spirits are all watching Skinimax. Good time to work.

        The Iron Giant abides. Much as I enjoy watching him play, I find myself rooting for him to escape this yard of swine for whom he currently toils.

  7. billb09 - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:08 AM

    Mets……please Sandy swing this deal!!!

    • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM

      Lol the only thing the Mets have to offer would be a location swap for the franchises. Other than that they couldn’t afford Stanton’s jock-strap, let alone the man himself.

  8. tomtravis76 - Jan 2, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    He would look good wearing Black and Orange in Baltimore playing lf and dh.

    • southpaw2k - Jan 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      I ain’t giving up Bundy and/or Machado for Stanton. I’m perfectly happy having Jones, Markakis, and McLouth in the outfield as it is.

      • bigmeechy74 - Jan 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM

        This comment is so bad it’s on deadspin.

  9. xjokerz - Jan 2, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    please get traded to the tigers…for porcello and boesch :)

    • kindasporty - Jan 2, 2013 at 6:26 AM

      and Nick Castellanos. and Avisail Garcia. And that’s still probably not enough.

      • shawnuel - Jan 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        Probably?

      • xjokerz - Jan 2, 2013 at 6:09 PM

        why would the tigers give up Castellanos and Garcia whom i would rather have then old man knees stanton?

  10. GUARASCIO _INC - Jan 2, 2013 at 4:48 AM

    Reblogged this on Guarascio Inc. blog spot.

    • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:22 PM

      Lol turn off the feature that posts that when you reblog please & ty.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jan 2, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        No, it’s important to publicly shame the person who just lazily reblogs something instead of addind any shred of insight.

      • jcmeyer10 - Jan 2, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        No, it’s important to publicly shame the person who just lazily reblogs something instead of adding any shred of insight.

  11. buffalo65 - Jan 2, 2013 at 6:23 AM

    I agree with Oilrod. He’s a very good young hitter, but a power hitting OF isnt worth gutting your system for. High end pitching prospects are worth alot more than Stanton.

    • ptfu - Jan 2, 2013 at 11:38 AM

      TINSTAAPP

    • thereisaparty - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:15 PM

      No pitching prospect is worth anywhere near a cost-controlled superstar.

      • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:23 PM

        No one prospect maybe. When you’re talking about 4-5 of them it is worth debating and doing your homework before making that claim.

    • bigmeechy74 - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      Hahaha wow! Where do you people come from? He is the 3rd most valuable asset to add to a team behind Harper and trout. Yeah he’s just an ordinary ol’ “power hitting outfielder.” He’s one of the best power prospects of the last 50 years. There is no pitching prospect worth more than Stanton. Amazing you just wrote that!

  12. legacybroken - Jan 2, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    I’d be ok giving up one of Castellanos and Garcia but not both. Personally I’d rather it be Castellanos, his defense worries me a bit.

    • bigmeechy74 - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:28 PM

      You wouldn’t give up both of them for stanton? That’s absolutely ridiculous. I guess you don’t realize how good Stanton is. Go back and show me all the players in mlb history that have hit 100 hr’s by age 23 then tell me you wouldn’t trade a couple prospects for him. Wow.

      • FrustratedDolFan - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        Not to mention he was hurt last year and still managed to put up fantastic numbers. As a self admitted Marlins fan, nothing short of Profar, Olt and Perez would excite our non existent fan base. I live in VA and saw the Nats play 12 x’s last season and although I agree Harper is a special talent I would take Stanton over him all day. Trout is a flat out stud but I would rank Stanton the 2nd most valuable asset to add to a team.

      • bigmeechy74 - Jan 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        All 3 guys are amazing so you can’t go wrong with any of them. I change my mind all the time about which of the 3 i’d want. I think Harper could win the MVP next year. It sounds crazy but for him to look as polished as he did at his age is incredible. ‘All 3 are amazing. I hope none of them get hurt and we get to watch them for the next decade +. Some of these comments are hilarious. Saying they wouldn’t give up a pitching prospect for stanton LOL. People don’t understand how special he is apparently.

  13. rockthered1286 - Jan 2, 2013 at 8:10 AM

    I’d love to see hi in Baltimore, I just don’t think we have the goods. Let me rephrase that- I don’t think we are willing to part with what little goods we have. It’s pretty much a given that they’d ask for Bundy as a main course. Some combo of Xavier Avery, LJ Hoes, Jonathan Schoop, maybe even going as deep as Gausman… If there were someway we could lessen the minor league blow and throw Jimmy Johnson in there, I think I could MAYBE swallow it, but I really don’t see that happening. Homegrown pitching actually panning out in Baltimore is a rarity, so when we have guys in our system like Bundy, it’s hard to part ways, despite what Stanton can bring to the table. Guess we’ll be sticking it out with the McLouth/Reimold platoon in 2013…hazaa.

  14. Kevin S. - Jan 2, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    Yankees should empty the system for him, under the same logic that would lead them to want to empty the system for Upton – getting a superstar at sub-superstar tax hits is how they’re going to have to stay competitive while getting under the tax line. If the Yankees lock him up once they trade for him, I’m fairly certain the AAV of the entire contract would be considered, including the $500k he’s set to make this year holding it down. Just to throw an example out there, a six-year deal where he’s making league minimum this year, $6MM/$9MM/$13MM through his arbitration years and then $15 million for his first two FA years would count for less than $10 million/year against the luxury tax.

    This also allows the Yankees to move Granderson’s last year for a cost-controlled pitcher. A pitcher that could give you ~190 innings at a 95 ERA+ while making the minimum would still be plenty valuable, especially given the Yankees’ situation. Off the top of my head, Granderson for Randall Delgado fits the bill for the Yankees while filling the Braves’ need for LH power and a left fielder without tying them down long-term financially, and the have the SP depth to not miss a back-end guy like Delgado.

    The only question is, how much of the Yanks’ farm system would Miami need? I don’t think they’d require the immediately ready talent Arizona demanded for Upton, so maybe some of the Yanks’ high-upside guys that just hit AA last year could be the basis of a deal. Give the Marlins their pick of lottery-ticket pitchers the Yanks have stashed in their system, and maybe a deal starts to form.

    • southpaw2k - Jan 2, 2013 at 10:24 AM

      “Yankees should empty the system for him…”

      What system? Who in the world do the Yankees have that could equate the talent the Marlins would want in return for Stanton?

      I’ll never understand why Yankees fans think they’re a bunch of 6 year olds, running through a Toys R Us, and say, “And I want one of those…and one of those…and one of those, Daddy!”

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 2, 2013 at 10:53 AM

        Yes, the Yanks don’t have any prospects. All their minor league teams are a mirage. And for the record, what prospect organization do you work for?

        I’ll never understand why Yankees fans think they’re a bunch of 6 year olds, running through a Toys R Us, and say, “And I want one of those…and one of those…and one of those, Daddy!

        Kevin never said anything like that, although he’d be justified considering some of the other comments made in this thread. He said empty the farm system, aka consider everyone available. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension?

      • Kevin S. - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:02 PM

        Thanks for that, church. Specifically, I was thinking Mason Williams (#21 in Keith Law’s mid-season update), Gary Sanchez (#28), and Tyler Austin (#45). Those numbers will probably be better when the offseason rankings come out, due to graduations and continued strong performance since July. Add in somebody like Manny Banuelos, whose stock is down from an injury but would be worth gambling on given his upside if he comes back healthy, and you have the start of a legitimate package for Stanton.

        Regarding the structure of the extension, though, I got that wrong. Arb1, which is during the all-important 2014 season, is likely to be lower than any extension AAV. Therefore, the move is either to go year-to-year or to work out a deal following a trade that would fix his first arbitration year right now. Even if it’s $10 million next year, it counts as $5.25 million AAV if it’s a two year deal with Stanton making the minimum next year.

        I’m not suggesting the typical “you take our table scraps because we’re entitled to ALL the best players” crap one often sees from Yankee fans. I’m proposing the Yanks surrender significant value that would denude the top end of their farm system, because cost-controlled superstars are worth it.

      • paperlions - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:16 PM

        Yeah, the Yankees don’t have a “wow” prospect to offer, but they have some pretty good prospects (in particular the 3 mentioned above) that would be a fairly attractive package. If the Marlins are worried about PR (haha), they may not find a match with the Yankees because there is no super-hyped prospect currently in their system to make Marlins fans okay with losing Stanton, but from a value perspective, the Yankees probably have enough to get it done…if both they and the Marlins are interested.

        Personally, I hope the Cardinals stay the hell away….the asking price for Stanton is just crazy high, and OF isn’t one of their needs at the moment. I’d much rather they use the cheap talent they have developed (much of which is ready to be tested in the majors) than to trade a ton of it for a guy that will soon be very expensive to employ.

      • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:35 PM

        You clearly have little idea about how their system is being evaluated. Even with an injury to Banuelos and Betances taking big step back their system is thought to be as deep as all but a few organizations.

        Maybe you lose the “wow factor” by not having a big name like a Harper in the deal but any GM worth their salt knows they’d love to load up on a ton of high end guys in a trade.

        Depth is everything because not every candy bar has that Golden Ticket. In baseball a “big name” isn’t enough, you need ten prospects to get that one star and it isn’t always the guy you thought it was going to be.

      • basedrum777 - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:58 PM

        The Yankees have a farm system ranked in the top half of the league according to the bleacher report. Some of the teams being bandied about above have far worse (Orioles 20, Dodgers 22, Tigers Mets even worse) so how about you STFU. The Yankees already currently pay his salary and for the team in Miami to exist. This would just be him actually hitting for the team he’s being paid by…

    • bigmeechy74 - Jan 2, 2013 at 12:31 PM

      How much of the yankees farm system would Miami need? Try all of it. There is nothing they have that could get stanton. They could offer their top 5 prospects and still not even be close.

      • djpostl - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:41 PM

        Keep dreaming Skippy. Even with the Bauelos injury and Betances step back there is a ton of depth in that system to work around.

      • bigmeechy74 - Jan 2, 2013 at 1:53 PM

        They have a Ton of above average depth maybe. But like I said before, the 2 most coveted assets in MLB are Harper and Trout. A close 3rd is Stanton. His power is so incredibly rare. He just turned 23 and has 93 homers already. He is worth his weight in gold. So i’m curious what you think the yankees have that could acquire him.

      • bigmeechy74 - Jan 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

        Haha I found an article that makes fun of the comments of morons trying to dream up trades for stanton. Some were taken from this very page. The yankee fans were the worst. Classic. http://deadspin.com/5973026/internet-commenters-should-probably-stop-trying-to-trade-for-giancarlo-stanton

  15. greymares - Jan 2, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    obviously my first choice would be Philly. 2nd choice American league.

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