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Quote of the Day: Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson

Jan 9, 2013, 2:19 PM EDT

Jeff Idelson

“The Hall of Fame has always entrusted the exclusive voting privilege to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America. We remain pleased with their role in evaluating candidates based on the criteria we provide.”

Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson, moments after announcing Hall of Fame results in which Aaron Sele received a vote, the greatest hitter and greatest pitcher in decades couldn’t crack 40%, and no one was elected.

Doin’ a heckuva a job there, BBWAA. Heckuva job.

  1. goskinsvt - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    get used to it.

    • raysfan1 - Jan 9, 2013 at 9:07 PM


  2. goskinsvt - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

    get used to it.

    • mattyflex - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM

      Get used to……. you posting double comments?

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM


      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:51 PM


  3. Old Gator - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:24 PM

    Classic bureaucratese. Inertia is the greatest good.

    • cur68 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

      I bet he awards them the HoF equivalent of a Freedom Medal..

    • mcs7584 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:43 PM

      A bureaucrat says “no” by doing nothing.

  4. jkcalhoun - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:25 PM

    If the president of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum were a trained historian or curator, then it would be reasonable to expect him to behave like one. But this is not that guy.

  5. Kevin Gillman - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    I live in Canton, Ohio, home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I know how big of a deal that is every August when it comes time to inducting these players, and listen to their speeches. I also know what a boost of the economy it is every week, not just weekend, but every week during that time. This is why Baseball is so far behind the times, because they just don’t care. I have been to Cooperstown, I know how awesome it can be, so imagine how big it can be in August every year at that point, if we have a panel voting in for players that DESERVE to be in. It’s supposed to be a celebration, but this season not many people will want to go to specifically hear a family member that used to own the Yankees during the Babe Ruth era, it just won’t happen. But to not put Jack Morris, a pitcher that dominated the 80’s, or even Craig Biggio, who collected 3,000 hits, on a first try is utter bullshit. It just is, instead of focusing on the writers, and their ego’s, with “We won’t vote you in this year, but we’ll get you next year” is just wrong.

    • kirkvanhouten - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      “But to not put Jack Morris, a pitcher that dominated the 80′s”

      Ahhh, you slippery weasel! You just snuck that in there and almost had my thumbs up before I caught on to your Jack Morris propagandist ways.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        Kirk, that’s your opinion, and that’s fine. But Jack deserves it, he has the numbers. You always knew going into the game that Jack was going to battle you, and even if you had hits, you weren’t going to score many runs.

        I don’t need any sabermetrics, I saw him pitch in the 80’s, even that moustache could be intimidating, at times…LOL

        But regardless, this is still about ego, so give me a thumbs up anyway.

      • 18thstreet - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:41 PM

        Israel Sanchez had a much higher MORP.

      • kirkvanhouten - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM

        Kevin, the point everyone has been making on these comments over and over again over the past several years is that Jack Morris most certainly *does not* have the numbers, and that his case is largely based on people skewing them (most wins in arbitrary time period!), dismissing them with silly excuses (he pitched to the score) or highlighting on game (game 7!)

      • thereisaparty - Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM

        Nolan Ryan fWAR ’80-’89: 46.1
        Jack Morris fWAR ’80-’89: 36.1

      • tommyshih - Jan 9, 2013 at 11:03 PM

        What you did know, is that if Morris went 9 innings, you were going to score about 4 runs.

    • strosfan85 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      Agree completely! it’s not as if their credentials are going to change any next year..

      • Kevin Gillman - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:54 PM

        Right, and Costas said it best when he says “Biggio will get in next season”, well why not now? Or these other writers that completely tell us why they didn’t vote in someone. What about these clowns that send in an empty ballot? It’s all about ego.

  6. ireportyoudecide - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:31 PM

    If the hall of fame doesn’t want to put the best players in then fine. They just need to realize that in doing so making the hall of fame doesn’t mean what it used to. Sorry but Jim Rice is not as good of a player as Barry Bonds. The Hall of Fame isn’t special anymore. If I want to look up the best players I won’t take my son to the hall of fame, I will take him to Baseball Reference and print out the top players listed by WAR. By the way Bonds is #2.

    • chwg - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:50 PM

      I agree after this round it just show how mean spirited so folks are..they set america back another 100 years,just negative Jim Crow thinking. The President should encourage equality not praise stupidity.

      • Jack Marshall - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM

        Do you even know what Jim Crow means?

      • bh0673 - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:47 PM

        What does Jim Crow thinking have to do with it? The vote was about the BBWAA view on steroids not race

      • Jeremy T - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:41 PM

        Eh… If an association of people who at one point wrote about baseball have the power to set us back 100 years, then we’re beyond saving.

    • Jack Marshall - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:02 PM

      There is no indication or evidence that Jim Rice cheated to achieve his on-field exploits, or ever by his conduct made other players feel that it was necessary or acceptable for them to cheat as well.

      That makes him a better player than Barry Bonds in my book, and I am thrilled that the BWAA agrees.

      • Jeremy T - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM

        There is no indication or evidence that Barry Bonds cheated before 1998, by which time he was already a better player than Jim Rice could dream of being. You can argue that it’s punishment for dishonoring the history of the game or something, and while I’d argue that it’s a disproportionate punishment compared to precedent, it’d at least be a somewhat coherent argument. But to make a claim in any universe, in any context, that Barry Bonds wasn’t an otherworldly talent is to deny basic facts.

      • miguel3557 - Jan 9, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        Jim Rice was a good ballplayer, but Barry Bonds was one of the top 5 baseball players of all time. He not only won 7 MVPs in his career, more than anyone else, but he was also a Gold Glove left fielder eight times and was the top left fielder in career games played and career putouts made. He was not only baseball’s home run king for a single season and a career, but he also created more runs than anyone in baseball history, he was walked intentionally more than any other batter in baseball history, was second all time in extra base hits, times on base, had the third lowest number of at-bats per home run, was second all-time in times on base, first in bases on balls, sixth in on-base percentage, third all-time in runs scored, fourth in career total bases and in career RBIs, and was just 65 hits short of 3000 hits when he retired.

        Between 1985, when he was signed by the Pirates out of Arizona State, to 2007, Barry Bonds was, without question, baseball’s dominant position player and one of baseball’s all-time greats in so many categories that it boggles the mind. The irony is that the only statistics that were inflated by ‘roids were those having to do with the long ball and games missed (faster injury recovery time with ‘roids ). As someone who played baseball for many years and who faced pitchers who had successful careers in the bigs, I fully appreciated the comment that ‘roids never helped even one batter make the decision in a fifth of a second that the pitch coming in is a slider and not a fast ball.

        What impressed me most about Bonds was his unequaled command of the strike zone. He never beat himself by fishing out of the strike zone. His knowledge of the strike zone was so keen that he forced intimidated pitchers to make great pitches on the corners, one of many reasons he was the walk king of baseball. His intentional walk total, tops in history by far, spoke volumes about how menacing he was as a batter. During my time, I’ve seen Williams, Mays, Mantle, Musial, Aaron, both Robinsons, Griffey, Rodriguez, Sosa, McGujire, Pujols, Ramirez, Schmidt, Brett, Yastrzemski, McCovey, Jackson, Henderson, Bagwell, Walker, Palmeiro, Kaline, Clemente, Gwynn, Matthews, Piazza, Snider, Molitor, Belle, Ripken, Dawson, Banks, Killebrew, Perez, McGriff, Parker, Allen, Kent, Raines, Minoso, Boggs, Clark, Santo, Lynn, Puckett, Bench, Gonzalez, and Bonds hit baseballs. In my opinion, Bonds was a better hitter than all of them. Although he was a self-congratulatory jerk with the media and someone who alienated other teammates with his special barcolounger in the clubhouse, he also helped many less talented players become better hitters. Bonds was a consummate student of the game and would make a great hitting coach if he wanted to do that.

        In summary, comparing Jim Rice with Barry Bonds is like comparing Deion Branch to Jerry Rice–no real comparison at all.

  7. stex52 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM

    He’s saying that. He’s a bureacrat. You can’t print what he is probably thinking.

    • skids003 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:52 PM

      No, that’s the WRITERS” job.

  8. dkphilly1122 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    This is when the Hall needs to go thru all the idiots, I mean BBWA members who submitted blank ballots and get rid of them. This is just embarrassing. I don’t support the whole PED Era by any means, but there are definitely players who deserved a nod or at the least a vote, not a wasted piece of paper. They need to update the people allowed to vote every few years to get different sides on every player. Or let a percentage of fans from all over the US have a small say in who should be a Hall Of Famer or not. Pathetic.

  9. nicosamuelson2 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    When do they announce the real results?

    • strosfan85 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:47 PM

      seriously.. im waiting for the ” Gotcha!”

    • chadjones27 - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:38 PM

      Early April Fools joke?

  10. Detroit Michael - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    His initial reaction — to not throw the BBWAA under the bus — is probably appropriate. Let’s hope he also thinks through how to improve the situation going forward.

    • umrguy42 - Jan 9, 2013 at 4:11 PM

      I wouldn’t hold your breath, I saw if not this guy, one of the other big shots there on some program or other, and he claimed that Abner Doubleday invented the game.

  11. thebadguyswon - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    Have fun with that fiscal year 2013, Hall. Should be a roaring success.

    • cackalackyank - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:21 PM

      Not just the FY 2013 for the HOF itself. Imagine if you are a businees owner in the Cooperstown NY are, and you rely on the HOF induction for that “make or break” boost to your cash flow. You are now offically screwed for this year. Not that the steady decline in attendance and the discontinuation of the HOF game haven’t hurt already…

  12. jdd428 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    Hey now, Aaron Sele was one of the best … no, I can’t even finish that. I got nothing. Anybody?

    • Jeremy T - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:14 PM

      He was more talented in regards to his selected profession than the average human being on the planet Earth.

    • 18thstreet - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:43 PM

      He once started on Opening Day. As everyone knows from the case for Jack Morris, this is the most important factoid about a pitcher.

    • kirkvanhouten - Jan 9, 2013 at 4:03 PM

      Aaron Sele finished his Major League career with a higher WAR than the following Hall of Famers:

      Whitey Herzog
      Satchel Paige
      Dick Williams
      Cristóbal Torriente
      Sparky Anderson
      Tommy Lasorda…

      I mean, their are some great names in there. Clearly Aaron Sele deserves to be enshrined.

      • cackalackyank - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:23 PM

        LOL I see what you did there…most of those guys are in the Hall because of their accomplishments as Managers…

      • jdd428 - Jan 9, 2013 at 6:30 PM

        OK, on that list I see four managers and a guy who pitched at age 107.

    • nbjays - Jan 10, 2013 at 9:07 AM

      … pitchers with the last name of Sele to ever play the game of baseball.

      There you go… :-)

  13. 27xwschamps - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    WTF…no craig biggio !!! Ur a joke..

  14. strosfan85 - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    “The Hall of Fame has always entrusted the exclusive voting privilege to the Baseball Writers’ Association of America. We remain pleased with their role in evaluating candidates based on the criteria we provide.”

    And what criteria is that? Dont let anyone in that truly deserves it? Or what til that person is dead and vote them in posthumously (Ron Santo).. Glad u think these bums are doing a good job.. SMFH!

  15. clydeserra - Jan 9, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    Mike Piazza should just show up with a megaphone and give a speech.

    • chadjones27 - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:39 PM

      I think he should read Craig’s post where he was pretending to be Piazza

  16. raysfan1 - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    The main driver of the economy for Cooperstown is tourism. If I were the mayor, or head of the Chamber of Commerce, or a business owner in the area, I would send a letter explicitly detailing my “warmest regards” to both the HOF and the BBWAA for all but ensuring a year in the red.

    The HOF itself was >$2M in the hole last year itself, and this result from the BBWAA does not help. The Hall has a much more important mission than hanging luminaries’ bronze plaques on a wall–it preserves historic artifacts of a game we love, maintains archives that enable research, and restores artifacts and documents. The Hall not being able to induct any living legends means a lot fewer visitors this summer, lost income, and ultimately less ability to preserve baseball history. That is awful.

    No matter what the Hall’s representatives say in public,, they need to change things.

  17. El Bravo - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:18 PM

    Douchnozzles 2013 (special Hall of Fame Edition)

    1. Murray Chass – Chass, a mere blogger, will give up his undeserved HOF vote, but only after attempting to vote in Jack Morris. Whether or not Morris deserves it is beside the point. He’s sticking to all other HOF eligible players as a consequence. Total Chasshole move, bro.

    2. BBWAA – The Baseball Writers Association of America is a conglomerate of douchenozzles, many of which no longer write about baseball, but yet still have more say on the subject than the biggest baseball fans out there. A total clusterdouche. As opposed to entering each voter as a DN individually, which would be unfair to the non-DNs within the group, the entire organization will be granted passage into douchenozzledom as a whole.

    • El Bravo - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:26 PM

      Also, here’s proof of PEDs used by a Hall of Famer back in the 1800s:

    • hisgirlgotburrelled - Jan 9, 2013 at 3:42 PM

      Leave the BBWAA off the list for a couple years, then eventually add them in 2015.

  18. 18thstreet - Jan 9, 2013 at 4:53 PM

    The Baseball Hall of Fame always been at war with Eastasia.

  19. simon94022 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    What an embarassment. The Hall’s credibility is completely shot.

    At least these buffoons didn’t elect Jack Morris, but they came pretty close.

    Total ignorance on display by the BBWAA.

  20. cackalackyank - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:27 PM

    Final Score Today in Cooperstown: Idiots 1 Reality 0

  21. joegolfer - Jan 10, 2013 at 2:30 AM

    I’d like to find out who the guy was who voted for Aaron Sele, and what exactly his rationale was. Make him explain it, so that in the future perhaps he won’t be so willing to put in a joke ballot just to be a jerk, as he’ll be held accountable and held up to ridicule for it.
    Craig C should stop shilling for Bonds and Clemens though. We all knew they weren’t getting in this time around. Maybe down the road, maybe never. But in essence, they already are in the HOF. If you go there, you will see displays and films of their accomplishments. It’s just that they do not have a plaque in the HOF. IF they don’t get in, kids can later ask their parents why the men they see in those videos aren’t on plaques, and their parents can explain it to them.
    The fact that some idiot voted for Aaron Sele has nothing to do with Bonds and Clemens, and Craig C should stop beating that drum ad nauseum.

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