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Random nuggets from the Hall of Fame voting results

Jan 9, 2013, 4:57 PM EDT

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Fun things — and some not so fun things — from today’s voting results beyond the names we talked about already:

  • Falling off the ballot because they didn’t receive 5%: Bernie Williams, Kenny Lofton, Sandy Alomar Jr.,Julio Franco, David Wells, Steve Finley, Shawn Green, Aaron Sele, Jeff Cirillo,Royce Clayton, Jeff Conine, Roberto Hernandez, Ryan Klesko, Jose Mesa, Reggie Sanders, Mike Stanton, Todd Walker, Rondell White, Woody Williams. Lofton deserved longer consideration. I really don’t think any of the other guys have an argument.
  • Earning a vote for reasons that are clear only to the person who cast it: Aaron Sele. Really, who thinks Aaron Sele deserved a vote? For that matter, on what planet does Sandy Alomar, Jr. get 16 votes?
  • Fun but sad: Curt Schilling only got 38.8% of the vote, which was a travesty. But hey, Schilling’s number was 38, so it was kinda appropriate.
  • Gainers among the guys who actually stand a chance one day: Raines and Bagwell. Raines jumped from 48.7% to 52.2%. Bagwell from 56.0% to 59.6%. I think they’ll eventually make it, but it may take a few years.
  • Sorry, you missed your window: Fred McGriff, Lee Smith and Alan Trammell. McGriff went from 23.9% in 2012 to 20.7% in 2013. Smith went from 50.6% to 47.8%. Trammell went from 36.8% to 33.6%. Each of those guys would require a Jack Morris-style surge in order to make it but they’re going in the wrong direction and time is running out.
  • The holdover PED guys: Mark McGwire sunk from 19.5% to 16.9%. Rafael Palmeiro went from 12.6% to 8.8%. It’s never gonna happen and Palmeiro may fall off next year.
  • A guy with time and little support who may yet have a shot: Larry Walker. He only has 21.6%, down from 22.9% last year. But I feel like we haven’t had a big conversation about him yet and he could very well see a Tim Raines-style jump in voter consciousness once the PED stuff begins to settle down in a couple of years.

There’s a lot more fun to be gleaned from the results. Check them out at the BBWAA site. Assuming Geocities isn’t down, anyway.

  1. Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    Jack Morris got 67.7% and Kenny Lofton couldn’t even swing 5%?

    Does the BBWAA even watch baseball?

    • atepperm - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:11 PM

      Kenny Lofton, winner of the 2013 Lou Whitaker Award for greatest jobbing by the BBWAA.

      • kirkvanhouten - Jan 9, 2013 at 7:35 PM

        ….formerly known as the “Bobby Grich Award”

  2. 18thstreet - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:07 PM

    Ken Gurnick submitted the same ballot as blogger Murray Chass.

    • raysfan1 - Jan 9, 2013 at 8:58 PM

      Nuts, I just realized this means (Ch)ass will be voting again next year since his boy Jack Morris did not get in–and only voting for Morris, thus screwing the 15 other more worthy candidates.

      • raysfan1 - Jan 9, 2013 at 9:00 PM

        (He promised to retire from voting once Morris got elected. Well, next year is his last year on the ballot, so I will just hope he keeps his promise to bow out of the voting then.)

  3. idolized1 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    It’s a shame about Lofton.

    I’m not surprised he didn’t make it in, but he really, really should have received more consideration…

    • 18thstreet - Jan 9, 2013 at 7:05 PM

      He’s been retired for five years. They considered him. They didn’t vote for him.

      I’m tired of this excuse “I need more time.”

  4. philliesblow - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    Ridiculous that Trammell got 20 fewer votes than last year. Wonder where his vote total would be if he hadn’t been ripped off in the 1987 AL MVP vote.

    • Minoring In Baseball - Jan 10, 2013 at 4:33 AM

      He (Tram) deserves to be there before Larkin, that’s for sure. The Tigers need to retire the numbers of these guys, and build a statue of Tram and Lou turning two at Comerica. They dropped the ball on not honoring Sparky before he passed, so I don’t know why they’re waiting on some of these guys. Maybe next year they can have a 1984 anniversary and retire some numbers.

  5. Lukehart80 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:19 PM

    My guess is most of Sandy Alomar’s votes came from old-timers who thought they were voting for Roberto.

  6. arrabin56 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM

    Alright, I gotta ask the Todd Walker question.
    BBWAA’s main page shows Walker received 0 votes for 0%, as should be.
    On their list of ballots, however, Mike Dyer has Todd Walker listed (along with actually a really strong ballot of Bagwell, Bonds, Clemens, Martinez, Palmeiro, Piazza, Raines, Sosa, which, I don’t get the McGwire exclusion but okay). Was it supposed to be Larry? Was the ballot not counted? What is going on here?

    • cur68 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM

      What? Are you saying a baseball writer doesn’t know the difference between Larry Walker and Todd Walker? Why that’s INCONCEIVABLE, sir! These people are the BEST choices we have for voting on worthy baseball players. Oh my stars & garters….punches wall

      • philliesblow - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:55 PM

        Some of these writers are easily confused. After all, Larry Walker, Todd Walker and Walker Texas Ranger were all active in the 90’s.

      • cur68 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:57 PM

        Well, I can see Walker Texas Ranger. Chuck Noris is not to be fucked with.

      • jwbiii - Jan 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM

        You can find better examples. A year after the Veterans Committee elected Yankees manager Joe McCarthy, the BBWAA gave him a few votes in 1958. My opinion is that they were voting for Sen. Joe McCarthy because they were afraid of being hauled before the Senate Subcommittee on Investigations. Of course, Sen. McCarthy was dead by the time they cast their ballots. Either way, it’s a reason to believe that the BBWAA membership is not a subset of people with functioning brains.

  7. simon94022 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:36 PM

    What is more ridiculous – Aaron Sele getting a vote, or Shawn Green getting TWO?

  8. simon94022 - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:38 PM

    The Trammel thing is just sad. Especially when you realize that at least half the clowns who neglected him proudly voted for Jack Morris.

    The Hall of Mediocrity.

  9. snowbirdgothic - Jan 9, 2013 at 5:47 PM

    Pedro Gomez has never denied voting for Aaron Sele.

  10. rjostewart - Jan 9, 2013 at 6:02 PM

    Unpopular opinion: I actually have no problem with someone voting for Sele as a “hey, you had a solid career; now you can say you received a Hall vote” kind of thing, assuming that person applied rigor to the rest of his/her ballot and didn’t vote for Sele instead of someone they’d consider borderline. I mean, surely there’s no way someone *actually thinks* he’s a Hall of Famer.


    • jwbiii - Jan 10, 2013 at 12:26 AM

      I agree with you. This has been going on for as long as Hall of Fame voting. If Aaron Sele gave a writer good quotes, was nice to him when he was first starting out, was nice to his his kids, picked up bar tabs, whatever, why not toss him a vote? Now, if the writer had nine votes on his ballot and the choice for the tenth came down to Aaron Sele or a real valid Hall of Fame candidate, well, that’s unacceptable. I’ll bet that the supporters of Aaron Sele and Shawn Green did not submit full ballots.

      • 18thstreet - Jan 10, 2013 at 9:08 AM

        If everyone revealed his or her ballot, we would know the answer.

  11. dondada10 - Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Sick burn with the geocities comment. Furthermore, it’s rather odd to see a player fall off the ballet before he retires. I’m looking at you, Roberto Hernandez (a.k.a. Fausto Carmona).

  12. bigtrav425 - Jan 9, 2013 at 7:31 PM

    how in the hell Lofton only got 3% is absurd.the best leadoff guy on his generation.How Biggio got more then Piazza is asinine.Piazza, for me is a first ballot HoF hands down.Im still on the fence about Biggio,Morris is NOT a HoFer but neither is jim rice and he got it….No matter what your opinion is I think we are all in agreement that the voting system is trash and needs to be changed ASAP

    • larrytsg - Jan 9, 2013 at 8:51 PM

      While I agree that Lofton should have had a LOT more support, I totally disagree that he was “the best leadoff guy” of his generation. He played the bulk of his career in the same timeframe as Rickey Henderson AND Tim Raines.
      At least we’re not talking about how the only two players elected were Jose Mesa and Rondell White!

    • thereisaparty - Jan 9, 2013 at 9:35 PM

      Why are you on the fence about Biggio?

      • coachjac30 - Jan 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM

        nobody should be on the fence about biggio….he has no business being in the hall of fame…look at his stats…you’re going to put him in the hall of fame for what, being in the league for 20 years? that doesn’t qualify you for hof

      • thereisaparty - Jan 10, 2013 at 12:23 PM

        Not a baseball fan, eh?

  13. Liam - Jan 9, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    I can’t believe Jose Mesa fell off the ballot. His name means Joe Table, voters. Does that mean nothing to you?

  14. vikesfansteve - Jan 9, 2013 at 8:44 PM

    What should be done to every HOF voter is have them get 100 at bats against a major league pitcher, they must hit the ball at least 20 times. Then they have to run the bases in less than a minute. If they can’t do both then they are no longer allowed to vote. Doubt many could even do that and that would be considered awful for an MLB player. Paraphrasing Jack Nicholson, how does a fat fuck like Buddha have the balls to preach self discipline. How do flabby, weak non athletic sports writers and bloggers have the balls to judge world class athletes.

    • larrytsg - Jan 9, 2013 at 8:52 PM

      Karma, dude… Karma. At least that’s the story on Buddah.

  15. simon94022 - Jan 9, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    The one consolation today is that intelligent baseball fans here and elsewhere are remarkably united in seeing these results as a travesty.

    Unfortunately, intelligent baseball fans appear to be a small minority within the BBWAA.

  16. sportsfan69 - Jan 9, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    What about Mr. Baseball, Pete Rose? He admitted his mistake. Are we not a forgiving society? The man deserves it. IT WRONG!!!!!

    • 18thstreet - Jan 10, 2013 at 9:14 AM

      I thought Bob Eucker was Mr. Baseball. Or Tom Selleck.

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