Comments on: Reminder: There are already steroids users in the Hall of Fame

By: brucemenin

brucemenin — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:01:29 +0000

maybe Boswell was talking about 1988. See above posting re:Boggs and Clemens.

By: brucemenin

brucemenin — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 02:59:15 +0000

I know Boswell is a Baltimore/Washington guy, but anybody notice that Wade Boggs hit 24 home runs in 1987- never hit that many before, never hit that many again. Oh, and also that year teammate Roger Clemens pitched 18 complete games- 18 complete games. Never came close to pitching that many before or again. Heck, the last pitcher to come even close to that number was Schilling in 1998. And he pitched 15.

Just sayin’.

By: coloradogolfcoupons

coloradogolfcoupons — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:49:04 +0000

I enjoyed NOT reading it on mpw2133

By: dcsuperfan

dcsuperfan — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 07:03:44 +0000

Preach it, brother Bednarski! Testify!

By: mpw2133

mpw2133 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:11:52 +0000

Reblogged this on mpw2133.

By: mpw2133

mpw2133 — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:52:45 +0000

I would like to say alot of you are idiots. Just because you cover a game doesn’t make you an expert on the subject. The ability to prove someone worthy of the Hall of Fame shouldn’t be left up to you, but someone who has played the game at a high level. Living Hall of Farmers should have the right to vote someone into the Hall of Fame not someone with a potential axe to grind. Second If this subject is about morality then players such as TY Cobb shouldn’t be in the Hall of Fame because of the type of persons they where. The Hall is full of not so nice people, drunks, womanizers and felons so MLB cut the crap about PED’s. Third and the most important fact MLB look what is considered a PED. These substances are what classifies as a PED.
Lean mass builders are used to drive or amplify the growth of muscle and lean body mass, and sometimes to reduce body fat. This class of drugs includes anabolic steroids, xenoandrogens, beta-2 agonists, selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs), and various human hormones, most notably human growth hormone, as well as some of their precursors. Performance Enhancing Drugs are also found in Animals as synthetic growth hormone.
Stimulants are used to stimulate their body and mind to perform at optimal level by increasing focus, energy and aggression. Examples include caffeine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine.
Painkillers mask athletes’ pain so they can continue to compete and perform beyond their usual pain thresholds. Blood pressure is increased causing the cells in the muscles to be better supplied with vital oxygen. Pain-killers used by athletes range from common over-the-counter medicines such as NSAIDs (such as ibuprofen) to powerful prescription narcotics.
Sedatives are sometimes used by athletes in sports like archery which require steady hands and accurate aim, and also by athletes attempting to overcome excessive nervousness or discomfort. Alcohol, valium, propranolol, and marijuana are examples.
Diuretics expel water from athletes’ bodies. They are often used by athletes such as wrestlers, who need to meet weight restrictions. Many stimulants also have secondary diuretic effect. (Also used as a masking drug)
Blood boosters increase the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood beyond the individual’s natural capacity. Their misuse is centered on endurance sports like cycling and nordic skiing. EPO is the most publicly known drug in this class.
Masking drugs are used to prevent the detection of other classes of drugs. These evolve as quickly as do testing methods – which is very quick indeed[2] – although a time tested classic example is the use of epitestosterone, a drug with no performance-enhancing effects, to restore the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio (a common criterion in steroid testing) to normal levels after anabolic steroid supplementation.
So MLB , and BBWA if anyone has taken Any of these they should not be in the Hall of Fame period. That means No Hank Arron, No Bob Gibson, No Micky Mantle , No Ty Cobb, No Babe Ruth. If you are try proving a point then take these players out that the Hall should be for clean athletes with Pope like characteristics. Or let Bonds and Clemens in the Hall and do what is right for the game of baseball. Just because A person doesn’t agree with you or doesn’t grant you an interview you writer vilify that individual. Think about what caused this issue in the case of Bonds. Look at how you gave the White player in MLB history a free pass for drinking and womanizing but tried to destroy Bonds’ father Bobby and his godfather later in his career Willie Mays. Also stop turning a blind eye to a issue that baseball created. Baseball needed something to spike ratings and attendance after the baseball strike in 94. So MLB created the slogan Chicks Dig the Long Ball remember that and how catchy it was. Players started juicing, Players like Brady Anderson who never did damn thing note worthy in the game but hit 50 hrs one year. Come on man don’t you all think he was juicing the quick answer to that is HELL yeah he was. MLB upped there attendance and viewership turned a blind eye and when players that sucked started putting up stats as long as it benefited their needs it was ok. As soon as the Feds got involved MLB and Bud Selig( who to me is a Joke) hung all those men out to dry. In closing Baseballs history is filled with unethical players, liars and cheats, drunks, and gamblers, drug users and felons, but they are in the Hall of Fame next year look at the history of the game along with the numbers and vote Bonds and Clemens in where they belong

By: klownboy

klownboy — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:19:24 +0000

Another reason why Bonds and Clemens should have been elected to the Hall of Fame.

By: blingslade

blingslade — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:08:38 +0000

Everybody’s wondering who did PED’s? Heck, I remember when George Brett showed up for spring training 1985 with a totally new body, everybody was shocked and amazed..and he had a great year and they won the world series.

Still, nobody has ever suspected him for doing PED’s..except me.

By: madnova

madnova — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:16:36 +0000

Maybe the dude has his years wrong…I can’t find a Hall of Famer who had more home runs in 1988 than any previous year, other than Alomar, who was a rookie in ’88.

By: madnova

madnova — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:04:06 +0000

Ah…I misread the HOF portion of this page:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/galaran01.shtml

By: Glenn

Glenn — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:19:36 +0000

Craig,

Isn’t this the same baseless, proof-less speculation that you rant about when it is applied against allowing present steroid users into the hall? I guess it’s ok when it supports your view.

By: fpstratton

fpstratton — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:45:59 +0000

Bonds and Clemens won’t make it into the Hall of Fame. Who gives a rip? We remember how great they were, we saw them play, we enjoyed watching them do well. End of story.

By: cur68

cur68 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:19:35 +0000

I think the baseball changed. Rawlings’ balls tested from 1989 show higher synthetic content in the wrapping. The ones from 1995 onwards show a stiffer core was in the newer balls along with non-wool, synthetic (likely polyester) wrapping. All this = bouncier ball that flies further on contact.

By: cur68

cur68 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:13:20 +0000

Kirk:
http://steroids-and-baseball.com/changing-baseball.shtml

By: rmcd13

rmcd13 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:39:03 +0000

Andre Dawson is the Hall of Fame player who best fits the description. Also, if Dawson was drinking a “Jose Canseco” milkshake, having never played with Canseco and being in an entirely separate league (AL vs NL), it stands to reason that by 1988 EVERYBODY in baseball knew about steroids.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:28:21 +0000

If it’s all the hall is about is respecting precedent then Lloyd Waner set the precedent that anyone with a career WAR higher than 24.7 is in. Which is to say that Dan Uggla is a hall of famer if he retired today.

By: deadeyedesign23

deadeyedesign23 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:25:19 +0000

I like how you skipped the part about me not making a judgment either way on it. I don’t care…its a building in the middle of no where that houses a lot more than the one hallway of plaques.

By: mattbednarski

mattbednarski — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:25:06 +0000

To me, the telling part of this post is that Boswell knew what players were using WHEN they were using it. It’s not too much of a stretch to extend that notion to the rest of the baseball writers (in particular the beat writers). I have thought for the past several months that every entity tied to baseball – from the top brass in the commissioners office to the backup weeknight bat boy – knew who was using what and when they were using it. The very idea that we’re looking back on players’ careers and determining who was a “cheater” is laughable to me. The writers act as though players were the only ones to benefit from PED use. Everyone benefited. Owners saw more revenue, fans saw exciting baseball (played by uninjured players among other things), and writers got to write more interesting stories. NO ONE blew the whistle. Not Boswell. Not the Commissioners office. Not Ken Griffey Jr (who I’m supposed to believe is getting screwed the most because he didn’t use). Not Tony La Russa. Not Joe Torre. Not the backup bat boys. Not the Racing Sausages. NO ONE. However, only the BBWAA is self righteous enough to “take a stand” for baseball. Right.

By: tcostant

tcostant — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:22:21 +0000

When did Gallaraga get into the HoF?

By: mungman69

mungman69 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:10:37 +0000

If you don’t elect the best then why have a hall at all.

By: ltzep75

ltzep75 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:46:19 +0000

No, it doesn’t.

By: Sign Ahead

Sign Ahead — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:37:37 +0000

This sounds a lot like the baseball version of “I listened to Nirvana before they were popular,” or “Nobody plays REAL library hide-n-seek any more.”

Just in case you are telling the truth, um…congratulations…and I’m sorry the rest of us ruined it for you. Maybe if you’d yelled a little louder from the rooftops we would have heard you.

By: madnova

madnova — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:15:11 +0000

And Brady Anderson’s 50 home run season was 1996…

By: mikedavis11

mikedavis11 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:14:27 +0000

and arguments like these are why kids today play world or warcraft and dont watch baseball… anything bought over the counter shouldnt be considered a PED if so i better watchout my mormon friends may accuse me of being a cheater because of my morning coffee or what should we think about old jimmy johnson having to take xtenze to get the job done… someone add a viagra joke for god sake rafael palmeiro was a better actor than baseball player if you dont include PEDs and what kind of world would that be

By: madnova

madnova — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:13:02 +0000

I would guess Gallaraga, who went from a career high of 13 home runs to 29 that season.

1988 was the lowest home run input of Ripken’s career at that point, so he really doesn’t fit.

By: tcostant

tcostant — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:07:34 +0000

Not hard to figure out that Boswell is talking about Cal. Those O’s teams had Brady Anderson hitting 50 HR’s from no where, and Cal alway got ever edge he could. Plus he was coving the O’s at that time.

By: louhudson23

louhudson23 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:02:56 +0000

If I could hit that like button 50 times ,I would.

By: louhudson23

louhudson23 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:00:32 +0000

Baseball hitting was clearly more affected than football,therfore the game was more affected. There was no explosion of game altering statistics produced in football. RB’s didn’t mass produce 3000 yard seasons,but 40 and 50 hr seasons suddenly became normal,not to mention the absurd individual records set. .Not since the live ball has the game been so clearly altered.

By: mikedavis11

mikedavis11 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:58:19 +0000

anyone that is going to use the term chilax couldnt be older than 15

By: louhudson23

louhudson23 — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:55:55 +0000

I did not enjoy it. It sucked. It wasn’t baseball. and I screamed about juicing from the rooftops.Earthquake World Series watching Jose and McGwire strut around all freakin blown up pissed me off and I ranted the entire time. And the whole Sosa,McGwire,Bonds fiasco was like watching wrestling. Thank goodness the ball parks are huge once again and the ball is soft and the players don’t stay in wonderful physical condition year round anymore,otherwise we would still be watching HomeRun derby and not baseball,unless somehow ,the increased drug testing has caused a massive decrease in juicers,which has somehow caused a massive decrease in HR production.