Comments on: John Rocker peddles “the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened if the Jews had guns” nonsense

By: rnrfan

rnrfan — Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:12:13 +0000

This whole debate is silly. Listen, I’m Jewish. If we gave Jews guns in this country, trained us, and then put us up against the government (and all Americans supporting the government)…we’d be dead. Period. There is strength in numbers (and technology and weaponry and money and organization…). Arm the Jews of Nazi Germany…they die. Take away their guns…they die. Give them an ice cream cone…they die. It doesn’t matter. When the world looks away from (or supports) a tyrant, then the people of that country suffer. The Jews, my great-great aunts and uncles, by the way, died because of hatred…and an apathetic world who ignored Nazi Germany. Do not blame them, and please, stay away from hypothetical situations. It’s a useless exercise. Look to the present day. What’s more likely: Obama convinces the military to back him in a quest to end democracy and enslave us all or…my 2 year old son sees my gun without a child safety lock and accidentally blows his head off? Or a maniac steals his mom’s guns and shoots dozens of innocent first-graders? Listen, you want to own guns? Fine! But why are you against being safe about it? It makes no sense. I don’t want my son driving my car…and I don’t want him finding my unlocked gun, either. We need to protect OURSELVES. This isn’t about rights. It isn’t about Nazis. It’s about stopping Newtown. Sigh.

By: brianabbe

brianabbe — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:51:00 +0000

If you really do dig in to defend yourself from “tyranny,” you’ll be that guy on the wrong end of a smart bomb camera on CNN. Zero chance of beating the government.

By: stercuilus65

stercuilus65 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:41:34 +0000

It wasn’t an AK-47 which is fully automatic, nor has any of the infamous mass killings ever used a fully automatic weapon.Educate yourself before looking even more ignorant.

By: stercuilus65

stercuilus65 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:37:17 +0000

“Defeating tyranny is more successfully accomplished with organized nonviolent resistance”

Really?
Not really…
(See, a very small sampling, …Libya, Venezuela,China,Iran,Laos,France and of course The United States)

History books are there for a reason, open one.

By: stercuilus65

stercuilus65 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:25:36 +0000

Oh I forgot to add they had very little “state of the art” weaponry” , they were primarily a horse and bolt action rifle infantry. Their tanks were inferior in technology and numbers as well. It was how they used them that got them their success.
Regardless they needed very little weaponry to murder the Jews because they were such a compliant, respectful of authority group.
Did you read a history book about WW2? Ever?

By: stercuilus65

stercuilus65 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:18:26 +0000

“They were intentionally and systematically targeted for persecution and extermination by the government, which had millions of troops under its command, armed with state-of-the-art weaponry.”

Wow learn some history Craig before shooting your mouth off.

A) In the thirties when the systematic persecution of the Jews really began the Germans had about 100,000 troops until 1935 and only after were the numbers begin to ramp up.

B)The main terrors were committed by small groups like the Brown Shirts etc… who were usually armed with no more than nightsticks and also the police.

C)When they did have millions of troops they were off, fighting you know, the three front war. Army troops were complicit but most of the work was done by the SS.

D)Look only at Warsaw to see how a few lightly armed civilians could hold off German division for so long.

Rocker might have overstated the certainty of it but history would have indeed been different had Germany or Poland had a “gun culture”.

Consider this a schooling to you and your lemmings.

By: purp1234

purp1234 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:12:33 +0000

Who’s John Rocker? He’s like a hill billy Kardashian. Who cares what his opinion on anything is. He’s more entertaining as Kenny Powers in Eastbound and Down.

By: kyledurlam

kyledurlam — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:36:25 +0000

I went to a boxing match and a baseball blog broke out.

By: historiophiliac

historiophiliac — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:44:17 +0000

The other bizarre thing about all these comments is the way they seem to suggest that Hitler introduced the world to anti-Semitism (it existed before him) and that the US & other countries were free from that discriminatory bent.

By: chill1184

chill1184 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:05:14 +0000

@misterchainbluelightning

There’s those conservative debate skills I keep hearing so much about, sooooo much better than when debating liberals. Ever think of the concept of “punishment should fit the crime?”

With your statement “Get caught committing a crime with a firearm, Death Penalty is on the table. You wanna knock over that corner store by sticking a gun in someones face, mug someone with a gun? It’s your life.”

Unless said thug actually produces a dead body then no the death penalty shouldnt be on the table. Unless your one of those type of people who supports the ever changing definition of “terrorism”. Granted it wouldnt surprise me.

By: badintent

badintent — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:00:59 +0000

roger that. preach it brother !

By: moogro

moogro — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:43:47 +0000

Although not a follower of hseroK divaD, she’s a devoted Branch Davidian.

By: ctony1216

ctony1216 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:11:51 +0000

Call a policeman.

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:38:13 +0000

Fair enough spudchukar. I would also add that view point isn’t all inclusive.
Just yesterday someone said they would like to get rid of the 2nd amendment all together.
What was that measured response you were referring too? Or can we not talk about the other sides sheeple?

By: skids003

skids003 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:36:26 +0000

Only left wing nuts have the right to attack with hateful speech, right?

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:34:34 +0000

Van: You took his post literally. Figuratively…an unarmed citizen would very much be a subject. i.e….zero defense.

By: stlouis1baseball

stlouis1baseball — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:32:51 +0000

kl: I appreciate your thougtful response. Please know I mean that.
I somewhat understand where you are coming from. Not that I agree…but I at least understand it.

My shock (and irritation really)…lies with you specifically saying you would like to get rid of the 2nd amendment. This is precisely what those “right wing nuts” are referring to when they say those on the left (and the government in particular) want to take all the guns.
Again…you said you would like to get rid of the 2nd amendment.
Quite frankly…that’s insulting.

By: skids003

skids003 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:08:02 +0000

Yeah, I guess right wing people need people like you to tell them what is best for them, like not drinking sodas over 16 ounces, only 3 pain pills, etc. Who are the sheeple here?

By: skids003

skids003 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:06:02 +0000

I’m conservative chill, but I agree with you here. Does that mean you hate yourself, or still hate me, or now don’t hate me because I agree with you?

By: anxovies

anxovies — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:13:32 +0000

I probably qualify as a Libertard. Socially, I am a little left of Obama but to the right of, say, Arlo Guthrie. However, I do recognize that having an armed society has its good points and bad points. There is always a certain amount of tension between police and armed citizens which is both good and bad. The good is that police are a little more hesitant in overstepping the bounds when confronting people in their homes and the bad is, of course, armed criminals and crazies. As dim as Rocker may be he has a point. The Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943 was the only organized armed resistance by Jews to the Nazis. They were able hold out for a month against elements of the German Army. Had the Jewish community in Germany known of the true intentions of the Nazis earlier on, say before Kristallnacht in 1938, and banded together in an armed group the German people and the world would have fair warning as to what was to come. Such an action might well have forestalled Hitlars plans.

By: pistonhurricane

pistonhurricane — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:37:49 +0000

Wow.

How bout Rafael Soriano signing with the Nats? Looks like the Nats are the team to beat in the NL East!

By: historiophiliac

historiophiliac — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:28:33 +0000

I think that was for me. I think I’ve been downgraded to “yammering buffoon.” How depressing. I really enjoyed being a “prick” a lot better. (Also, I’d respond if I had any idea what you were talking about.)

By: misterchainbluelightning

misterchainbluelightning — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:20:35 +0000

Here another FYI, you facts have been checked, the OP was absolutely correct and you’re welcome.

Yammering buffoon

By: jimeejohnson

jimeejohnson — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:19:56 +0000

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By: misterchainbluelightning

misterchainbluelightning — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:18:09 +0000

No what’s foolish is thinking locking people up equals getting tougher on criminals. Quite honestly you completed missed my point so badly I stopped reading after that combined with you starting it with “prison industrial complex” when I’m talking about putting criminals to death.
Learn to read before replying to comments

By: jimeejohnson

jimeejohnson — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:17:40 +0000

You rendered your post meaningless when referring to a right wing bigot like Rocker as intelligent.

By: jimeejohnson

jimeejohnson — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:16:06 +0000

This comment is not directed at St.Louis1Baseball or any of the fair minded, intelligent Conservatives: Far right wing NUTs ostracized NJ Governor Christie because he dared to serve his constituents of color and Muslim descent. These neo-con bigots are the epitome of stupid, and give the entire right wing the NUT label. Note to right wing NUTs: the color of a person’s skin does not determine their worth, and just because you might be some kind of unsuccessful trailer trash doesn’t give you the right to hateful rhetoric to make yourself feel better.

By: jimeejohnson

jimeejohnson — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:02:42 +0000

Another narrow minded twit? Mitt the twit was more than enough.

By: jimeejohnson

jimeejohnson — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:39:23 +0000

Rocker represents his right wing NUTs perfectly. Guns are the answer to government tyranny. Only problem is the government will always have the populace outgunned, with better weaponry and a lot more of it. One of the right wing NUTs biggest problems is a pea-brained narrow mindedness that fails to process passage of time and the societal changes that accompany it. Fortunately, the right wing NUT is becoming an anachronism, obsolete and exposed as the phony hypocrites they are.

By: ctony1216

ctony1216 — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:36:17 +0000

Armed societies? Do the arms include grenades, tanks, and drones, or just weapons that you’re average nut can walk into a school with — like an Ak-47? Who decides whether we’re being ruled by a tyrant — John Rocker?