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	<title>Comments on: Rabbit Ball: the wacky 1987 baseball season</title>
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		<title>By: gloccamorra</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 17:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember that talk too. Something about baseballs made in Haiti, with their strong boney fingers sewing the seams extra tight. The next year, the &quot;black&quot;, the area around the plate was considered part of the strike zone, and hitting was dramatically lower. IOW, the umpires now had a reason to stop squeezing the strike zone, and the pitchers regained the upper hand. When in doubt, blame the umpires.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember that talk too. Something about baseballs made in Haiti, with their strong boney fingers sewing the seams extra tight. The next year, the &#8220;black&#8221;, the area around the plate was considered part of the strike zone, and hitting was dramatically lower. IOW, the umpires now had a reason to stop squeezing the strike zone, and the pitchers regained the upper hand. When in doubt, blame the umpires.</p>
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		<title>By: moogro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moogro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember Tom Kelly talking about the baseballs being juiced all the time. In one on-field interview he even turned around to motion to the balls flying off the bat during batting practice, saying, &quot;that one shouldn&#039;t have gone out. Look at how far this one went. It&#039;s ridiculous.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Tom Kelly talking about the baseballs being juiced all the time. In one on-field interview he even turned around to motion to the balls flying off the bat during batting practice, saying, &#8220;that one shouldn&#8217;t have gone out. Look at how far this one went. It&#8217;s ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Pouliot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Pouliot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did too!

I liked to build teams of rookies and have them play seasons against the real major league teams. Mike Dunne and Joe Magrane were the stars of my 1987 pitching staff. Good offense, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did too!</p>
<p>I liked to build teams of rookies and have them play seasons against the real major league teams. Mike Dunne and Joe Magrane were the stars of my 1987 pitching staff. Good offense, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: stlouis1baseball</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am with you Kirk on the pitchers&#039; utter dominance (as a whole) that year.
If I am remembering correctly...Drysdale was also dominant (among many others).
No swipe at the other pitchers.  Just pointing out that I have heard it referred to the &quot;Gibson rule&quot; previously.  I think it even mentions it on Wikipedia.  
I do like your post thought.  Great data!

Disclaimer:  Wikipeia certainly isn&#039; the be all end all.  Hahaha!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with you Kirk on the pitchers&#8217; utter dominance (as a whole) that year.<br />
If I am remembering correctly&#8230;Drysdale was also dominant (among many others).<br />
No swipe at the other pitchers.  Just pointing out that I have heard it referred to the &#8220;Gibson rule&#8221; previously.  I think it even mentions it on Wikipedia.<br />
I do like your post thought.  Great data!</p>
<p>Disclaimer:  Wikipeia certainly isn&#8217; the be all end all.  Hahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: kirkvanhouten</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though Gibby was the king of 1968, *7* pitchers qualified for the ERA title in baseball that posted an ERA under 2.00 that year, 21 under 2.50 

In fact, of the 76 pitchers who threw enough innings to qualify for the ERA title 49 of them had an ERA under 3.00

So...it wasn&#039;t just Gibson!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though Gibby was the king of 1968, *7* pitchers qualified for the ERA title in baseball that posted an ERA under 2.00 that year, 21 under 2.50 </p>
<p>In fact, of the 76 pitchers who threw enough innings to qualify for the ERA title 49 of them had an ERA under 3.00</p>
<p>So&#8230;it wasn&#8217;t just Gibson!</p>
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		<title>By: kirkvanhouten</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, Ryan went 8-16 and lead the league in ERA.  He picked up a loss or no decision in *14* starts where he allowed 2 runs or fewer.  

Yet another reason why wins are an incredibly silly stat to judge pitchers by.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Ryan went 8-16 and lead the league in ERA.  He picked up a loss or no decision in *14* starts where he allowed 2 runs or fewer.  </p>
<p>Yet another reason why wins are an incredibly silly stat to judge pitchers by.</p>
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		<title>By: anxovies</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anxovies]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry Sheets, Baltimore 1987: .316/31HR/94RBI.  Never hit more than 18HR before 1987 and never more than 10 after in a career that spanned 8 yrs.  I had forgotten about him.  Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Sheets, Baltimore 1987: .316/31HR/94RBI.  Never hit more than 18HR before 1987 and never more than 10 after in a career that spanned 8 yrs.  I had forgotten about him.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: louhudson23</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They lowered it in 69 ,but offensive numbers had been falling for a few years by then. Kuhn took the action after the plan to covertly allow widespread greenie use failed to produce the desired offensive explosion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They lowered it in 69 ,but offensive numbers had been falling for a few years by then. Kuhn took the action after the plan to covertly allow widespread greenie use failed to produce the desired offensive explosion.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are some guys who were at their peak in the 80s, admittedly, all are not HOFer or did not have HOF careers, much of which was due to longevity, not peak performance:

Rickey Henderson
Wade Boggs
Mike Schmidt
Robin Yount
Cal Ripken
Alan Trammell
Eddie Murray
George Brett
Tim Raines
Ozzie Smith
Gary Carter
Dale Murphy
Andre Dawson
Keith Hernandez
Lou Whitaker
Paul Molitor
Willie Randolph
Ryne Sandberg
Don Mattingly
Tony Gwynn
Lance Parrish
Kirk Gibson
Carlton Fisk
Nolan Ryan (just as good as he was in the 70s)
Bert Blyleven
Roger Clemens
Steve Carlton (best years were early 80s)
Dwight Gooden
Fernando Vlenzuela
Frank Viola

Yeah, the pitchers don&#039;t really stack up.  Longevity and health was a much bigger factor in ending careers than it is with modern surgical procedures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some guys who were at their peak in the 80s, admittedly, all are not HOFer or did not have HOF careers, much of which was due to longevity, not peak performance:</p>
<p>Rickey Henderson<br />
Wade Boggs<br />
Mike Schmidt<br />
Robin Yount<br />
Cal Ripken<br />
Alan Trammell<br />
Eddie Murray<br />
George Brett<br />
Tim Raines<br />
Ozzie Smith<br />
Gary Carter<br />
Dale Murphy<br />
Andre Dawson<br />
Keith Hernandez<br />
Lou Whitaker<br />
Paul Molitor<br />
Willie Randolph<br />
Ryne Sandberg<br />
Don Mattingly<br />
Tony Gwynn<br />
Lance Parrish<br />
Kirk Gibson<br />
Carlton Fisk<br />
Nolan Ryan (just as good as he was in the 70s)<br />
Bert Blyleven<br />
Roger Clemens<br />
Steve Carlton (best years were early 80s)<br />
Dwight Gooden<br />
Fernando Vlenzuela<br />
Frank Viola</p>
<p>Yeah, the pitchers don&#8217;t really stack up.  Longevity and health was a much bigger factor in ending careers than it is with modern surgical procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope, I just call people out that say obviously incorrect things....like this one.  I honestly have no idea if or how often I&#039;ve said such things.

....and it isn&#039;t a high horse, it is called data.  If people post casual observations or &quot;conclusions&quot; that aren&#039;t based on information, and, in fact, are in opposition to said information, I&#039;ll point out that that fact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I just call people out that say obviously incorrect things&#8230;.like this one.  I honestly have no idea if or how often I&#8217;ve said such things.</p>
<p>&#8230;.and it isn&#8217;t a high horse, it is called data.  If people post casual observations or &#8220;conclusions&#8221; that aren&#8217;t based on information, and, in fact, are in opposition to said information, I&#8217;ll point out that that fact.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s some truth to what you say, Stoneface: but there&#039;s a historical example that indicates changes to the ball are much more likely. The turn of the century Dead ball/Live Ball era saw rule changes render baseballs much more hittable and Ruth&#039;s emergence as HR hitter: batters could see the baseball and were crushing it. Since the changes in rules about ball use were unilateral and not subject to strike zone interpretation or variation in parks, supplements, coaching, training, or weather effect, there&#039;s a generalized up-tick in hitting based on changes to ball use. Hence we have a very good precedence for some alteration in the baseball being responsible (certainly MORE responsible that any other factor or an agglomeration of many tiny factors). 

Independent studies on baseballs confirms variations in baseball composition that co-incide with HR spikes INDEPENDENT of ball use changes. Stiffer cores, use of synthetics, heavier balls have all been noted. 

I&#039;ll link the study that gets the most attention:
http://steroids-and-baseball.com/changing-baseball.shtml

But then baseball weights have hardly been consistent. In the 60&#039;s there were spikes in HRs as Maris &amp; Mantle threatened Ruth&#039;s HR record. Again, tests on the ball confirm a differently weighted ball.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1072921/3/index.htm

Mathew&#039;s point about a &quot;rabbit&quot; ball are well made. That 1987 ball contained synthetics in its wrap. It was drier and firmer. In the mid-90&#039;s the same thing happened: the ball had more synthetic, this time including the core. Each time, HR spikes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some truth to what you say, Stoneface: but there&#8217;s a historical example that indicates changes to the ball are much more likely. The turn of the century Dead ball/Live Ball era saw rule changes render baseballs much more hittable and Ruth&#8217;s emergence as HR hitter: batters could see the baseball and were crushing it. Since the changes in rules about ball use were unilateral and not subject to strike zone interpretation or variation in parks, supplements, coaching, training, or weather effect, there&#8217;s a generalized up-tick in hitting based on changes to ball use. Hence we have a very good precedence for some alteration in the baseball being responsible (certainly MORE responsible that any other factor or an agglomeration of many tiny factors). </p>
<p>Independent studies on baseballs confirms variations in baseball composition that co-incide with HR spikes INDEPENDENT of ball use changes. Stiffer cores, use of synthetics, heavier balls have all been noted. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll link the study that gets the most attention:<br />
<a href="http://steroids-and-baseball.com/changing-baseball.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://steroids-and-baseball.com/changing-baseball.shtml</a></p>
<p>But then baseball weights have hardly been consistent. In the 60&#8242;s there were spikes in HRs as Maris &amp; Mantle threatened Ruth&#8217;s HR record. Again, tests on the ball confirm a differently weighted ball.</p>
<p><a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1072921/3/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1072921/3/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Mathew&#8217;s point about a &#8220;rabbit&#8221; ball are well made. That 1987 ball contained synthetics in its wrap. It was drier and firmer. In the mid-90&#8242;s the same thing happened: the ball had more synthetic, this time including the core. Each time, HR spikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How do you write a story about the anomaly that was 1987 without mentioning Larry Sheets? LARRY SHEETS! You obviously didn&#039;t play Micro League Baseball as a kid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you write a story about the anomaly that was 1987 without mentioning Larry Sheets? LARRY SHEETS! You obviously didn&#8217;t play Micro League Baseball as a kid.</p>
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		<title>By: stlouis1baseball</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They lowered the mound in 1969.  Some refer to it as the &quot;Gibson rule&quot; as a result of Bob thoroughly dominating the 1968 season.  
On a side note:  How did you feel typing &quot;Tfbuckfutter?&quot;  Did it make you laugh?
Cause&#039; it makes me laugh everytime I see it.  Let along type it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They lowered the mound in 1969.  Some refer to it as the &#8220;Gibson rule&#8221; as a result of Bob thoroughly dominating the 1968 season.<br />
On a side note:  How did you feel typing &#8220;Tfbuckfutter?&#8221;  Did it make you laugh?<br />
Cause&#8217; it makes me laugh everytime I see it.  Let along type it.</p>
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		<title>By: sabatimus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even if it was one of the most worthless sets in card-collecting history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it was one of the most worthless sets in card-collecting history.</p>
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		<title>By: shoehole</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shoehole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tfbuckfutter. During that period. I don&#039;t remember when but, the pitchers mound was lowered and gave the hitters a slight advantage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tfbuckfutter. During that period. I don&#8217;t remember when but, the pitchers mound was lowered and gave the hitters a slight advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: antifreeze27</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha sorry didn&#039;t read the entire post where Nolan Ryan&#039;s year is indeed mentioned!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha sorry didn&#8217;t read the entire post where Nolan Ryan&#8217;s year is indeed mentioned!</p>
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		<title>By: antifreeze27</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1987 was also the first year that I paid attention to baseball and baseball stats; 1987 is where my baseball knowledge begins (born in 1977).  Another commenter mentioned RBI Baseball; I think &#039;87 was the first year that Nintendo games and video games started using real players and real stats which is probably where the obsession began for most of us.  I still will always have Don Mattingly&#039;s .327-30-115 line memorized.  
Also, am I misremembering or did Nolan Ryan do something amazing like go 8-16 with a great ERA (I want to say 2.76) and almost 300 K&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1987 was also the first year that I paid attention to baseball and baseball stats; 1987 is where my baseball knowledge begins (born in 1977).  Another commenter mentioned RBI Baseball; I think &#8217;87 was the first year that Nintendo games and video games started using real players and real stats which is probably where the obsession began for most of us.  I still will always have Don Mattingly&#8217;s .327-30-115 line memorized.<br />
Also, am I misremembering or did Nolan Ryan do something amazing like go 8-16 with a great ERA (I want to say 2.76) and almost 300 K&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: jm91rs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jm91rs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you just scan the pages and look for comments from tfbuckfutter so you can slam him? I&#039;m pretty new to the site but I typically stop reading the comments section the minute you step up onto your high horse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you just scan the pages and look for comments from tfbuckfutter so you can slam him? I&#8217;m pretty new to the site but I typically stop reading the comments section the minute you step up onto your high horse.</p>
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		<title>By: shoehole</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shoehole]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kirkvanhoutan. The operation on Kal Daniels knee in 1989 eventually would end his career. If I remember correctly,  Daniels had a earlier operation on the same knee. The last operation slowed him down quite a bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirkvanhoutan. The operation on Kal Daniels knee in 1989 eventually would end his career. If I remember correctly,  Daniels had a earlier operation on the same knee. The last operation slowed him down quite a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: umrguy42</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But that wood design was awesome, though :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that wood design was awesome, though :p</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatstoneface</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you shud try bref&#039;s era adjustment tool.  it&#039;ll make it a lot easier to compare across generations...if you think thru what it&#039;s doing, and what it shows you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you shud try bref&#8217;s era adjustment tool.  it&#8217;ll make it a lot easier to compare across generations&#8230;if you think thru what it&#8217;s doing, and what it shows you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatstoneface</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you know...it&#039;s likely that the offensive explosion of &#039;87 was similar to the coming explosion in the &#039;90&#039;s.  by that i mean that there are likely several small things that accumulated to create a &#039;perfect storm&#039;...not just juiced baseballs, not just steroids, not just dicking with the strikezone, not just better nutriiton, not just smaller ballparks coming online, not just better use of video...not just any one of those things...

it was all of them, i think.

same thing with the single season abberation, i imagine.

i mean really...it was game wide...that speaks to the environment being different, for everyone...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know&#8230;it&#8217;s likely that the offensive explosion of &#8217;87 was similar to the coming explosion in the &#8217;90&#8242;s.  by that i mean that there are likely several small things that accumulated to create a &#8216;perfect storm&#8217;&#8230;not just juiced baseballs, not just steroids, not just dicking with the strikezone, not just better nutriiton, not just smaller ballparks coming online, not just better use of video&#8230;not just any one of those things&#8230;</p>
<p>it was all of them, i think.</p>
<p>same thing with the single season abberation, i imagine.</p>
<p>i mean really&#8230;it was game wide&#8230;that speaks to the environment being different, for everyone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: genericcommenter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My experiences with 1987 are the same. It was when I started playing and following baseball statistics, and it was clear within a few years that there WAS something different about that year.

I also blame 1987 for inflating the value of baseball cards and creating many false &quot;future hall of famers&quot; and superstar rookies. It seemed like every rookie or young guy that year hit at least 20 homeruns and there were any number of guys who seemed poised to join the 500 club with enough longevity.  Or in the cases of guys like Wally Joyner, you (or me as an 8 year-old) would see a guy who hit .290 with 22 HR as a rookie and follow that up with a 34 HR season and just think this was a guy who was maturing and progressing in his development as a slugger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experiences with 1987 are the same. It was when I started playing and following baseball statistics, and it was clear within a few years that there WAS something different about that year.</p>
<p>I also blame 1987 for inflating the value of baseball cards and creating many false &#8220;future hall of famers&#8221; and superstar rookies. It seemed like every rookie or young guy that year hit at least 20 homeruns and there were any number of guys who seemed poised to join the 500 club with enough longevity.  Or in the cases of guys like Wally Joyner, you (or me as an 8 year-old) would see a guy who hit .290 with 22 HR as a rookie and follow that up with a 34 HR season and just think this was a guy who was maturing and progressing in his development as a slugger.</p>
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		<title>By: tfbuckfutter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like I said in the other article, seemed like most of those players you listed peaked in the 70s or 90s. Not in the 80s. And, I don&#039;t recall, but were all 40 of those players everyday players or were pitchers included?

The 80s was a kind of crummy time for offensive baseball. What is the problem with that statement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said in the other article, seemed like most of those players you listed peaked in the 70s or 90s. Not in the 80s. And, I don&#8217;t recall, but were all 40 of those players everyday players or were pitchers included?</p>
<p>The 80s was a kind of crummy time for offensive baseball. What is the problem with that statement?</p>
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		<title>By: RickyB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RickyB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While offense was up across the league, it may have hit the Cubs even harder due to weather conditions. The variation in weather patters at Wrigley Field have caused the park to go from hitter&#039;s park to pitcher&#039;s park and back and forth. Could have been an exceptional year for hitters there as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While offense was up across the league, it may have hit the Cubs even harder due to weather conditions. The variation in weather patters at Wrigley Field have caused the park to go from hitter&#8217;s park to pitcher&#8217;s park and back and forth. Could have been an exceptional year for hitters there as well.</p>
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		<title>By: e5again</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[e5again]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading the stats in this story and comments brings me back to RBI Baseball on the NES.  Loved that game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the stats in this story and comments brings me back to RBI Baseball on the NES.  Loved that game.</p>
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		<title>By: kirkvanhouten</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Growing up, we had a watered down version using baseball cards called &quot;Big League Baseball&quot;.  We were big enough baseball card collectors that we would make individual teams for each big league team.  The conversion chart had two sides, those with over 20 homers and those with under. 

The most fun team to play with was the Detroit Tigers, because they were the only team you could build an All-Over-20-Home-Run team at each position from 1985-1992:

C- Matt Nokes
1B: Cecil Fielder
2B: Lou Whitaker
SS: Alan Trammel 
3B: Travis Fryman
OF: Chet Lemon
OF: Kirk Gibson
OF: Rob Deer
DH: Mickey Tettleton]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up, we had a watered down version using baseball cards called &#8220;Big League Baseball&#8221;.  We were big enough baseball card collectors that we would make individual teams for each big league team.  The conversion chart had two sides, those with over 20 homers and those with under. </p>
<p>The most fun team to play with was the Detroit Tigers, because they were the only team you could build an All-Over-20-Home-Run team at each position from 1985-1992:</p>
<p>C- Matt Nokes<br />
1B: Cecil Fielder<br />
2B: Lou Whitaker<br />
SS: Alan Trammel<br />
3B: Travis Fryman<br />
OF: Chet Lemon<br />
OF: Kirk Gibson<br />
OF: Rob Deer<br />
DH: Mickey Tettleton</p>
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		<title>By: disulfide</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[disulfide]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was hoping for a Wally Joyner mention :(]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was hoping for a Wally Joyner mention <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: weaselpuppy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[weaselpuppy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[because the BBWAA is a group of self congratulating grudge holding prima donna wankers.

That hate anything Tigers. Freehan should be in too.Look at his numbers in context of all of it being in the &quot;second dead ball era&quot;

5 Catchers voted into the HOF that played post WW2? Five?, they&#039;ll bump that up soon with Pudge Rodriguez and eventually Piazza....but Nobody that started their career from 1949 to 1967.

Oh, and in 1987 , BBWAA, it was Trammell&#039;s Tigers that caught and passed Bell&#039;s Blue Jays from a 2 game deficit by sweeping the 3 game last series of the season, with Trammell increasing his BA from 324 to 343 the last month to win the batting title, hitting .417 and OPS 1.167 that month, with 7 of his 28 HR down the stretch...SMOKING HOT....while Bell goes 1-11 in that decisive series and is outhomered by Tram in September. 7-6...BRUTAL, BBWAA, BRUTAL...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because the BBWAA is a group of self congratulating grudge holding prima donna wankers.</p>
<p>That hate anything Tigers. Freehan should be in too.Look at his numbers in context of all of it being in the &#8220;second dead ball era&#8221;</p>
<p>5 Catchers voted into the HOF that played post WW2? Five?, they&#8217;ll bump that up soon with Pudge Rodriguez and eventually Piazza&#8230;.but Nobody that started their career from 1949 to 1967.</p>
<p>Oh, and in 1987 , BBWAA, it was Trammell&#8217;s Tigers that caught and passed Bell&#8217;s Blue Jays from a 2 game deficit by sweeping the 3 game last series of the season, with Trammell increasing his BA from 324 to 343 the last month to win the batting title, hitting .417 and OPS 1.167 that month, with 7 of his 28 HR down the stretch&#8230;SMOKING HOT&#8230;.while Bell goes 1-11 in that decisive series and is outhomered by Tram in September. 7-6&#8230;BRUTAL, BBWAA, BRUTAL&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zzalapski</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zzalapski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My lasting memory of Kal Daniels is his base&quot;running&quot; fail from his last season in the majors (5:33 mark in the video).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSIH4YHoTc0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My lasting memory of Kal Daniels is his base&#8221;running&#8221; fail from his last season in the majors (5:33 mark in the video).</p>
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