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Fire sales have cost the Marlins two All-Star Games

Jan 22, 2013, 11:31 AM EDT

Jeffrey Loria

We learned yesterday that, in all likelihood, the Reds were going to get the 2015 All-Star Game. Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald notes it’s quite possible that the Marlins would have gotten the Midsummer Classic that year had Jeff Loria not called for the Marlins’ latest fire sale.

He cites team president David Samson’s comments to MLB.com last year in which he said that the Marlins were “excited to host it,” and speculates that the Marlins may have fallen out of favor with the Commissioner’s office following this offseason’s payroll slashing, fan-alienating trades. If so, Spencer notes,this wouldn’t be the first time:

The Marlins, who have been around since 1993, have never hosted one. MLB had selected the Marlins to host the 2000 All-Star Game at Sun Life Stadum but took it away from them in 1998 due to uncertainty over the future of the franchise after the ’97 World Series team was dismantled.

Doin’ a heckuva a job there, Jeffy.

  1. danaking - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

    It’s pretty bad when your image with the other owners is so low they stick it to you.

    • gloccamorra - Jan 22, 2013 at 5:15 PM

      Actually, Loria has done his share of sticking it to the other owners, too. He ran the Montreal Expos into the ground, and when Selig wanted to make Marlins owner John Henry the owner of the Red Sox to keep it out Frank McCourt’s hands, Loria got the Marlins, leaving MLB to run the Expos at a loss and find a new owner. Montreal was so poisoned, DC interests finally got the chance to steal the franchise.

      Don’t forget all the revenue sharing money Loria has been pocketing. He may have outdone former Mariners owner George Argyros in that department. At least the Commish engineered the cashiering of Argyros, getting Joan Kroc to agree to sell him the Padres, forcing him to sell the Mariners first, and getting Kroc to back out of the deal, leaving Argyros on the outside looking in. I don’t know who pulled that off, Ueberroth or Giamatti, but it was brilliant. Why can’t Bud Selig think up something like that?

      • leoimpr - Jan 22, 2013 at 9:42 PM

        He will be stealing 58 million dollars this year, while playing a team with a payroll less than 15 million.

      • leoimpr - Jan 22, 2013 at 9:43 PM

        if I was the Yankees I refuse to pay revenuew sharing, what is the league going to do, take them to court? with this evidence, no judge will force them to pay.

  2. darthicarus - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

    Oh what I wouldn’t give to have the HR Derby in Miami so that gorgeous animatronic marvel could be lit up OVER & OVER & OVER again along with Chris Berman’s voice calling the shots. The worst ballpark feature paired up with the worst announcer…a match truly deserved for Loria.

    • El Bravo - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM

      BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK!

      • umrguy42 - Jan 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        WHOOP!

    • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 1:58 PM

      Leave Tommy alone!

  3. dcfan4life - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    Jeff Loria is not a baseball fan. In all probability he hates the sport in its entirety. He is a business man. He is making money off the Marlins still. The franchise will increase in value. And he will sell it with the expectation that the buyers will get a big TV contract, thus on top of everything else increasing the Marlins worth. This is why he is the worst person ever to own a sports franchise. Because he doesnt care about the fans, the product, the league, or anything accept making money.

    • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      Wish I could agree with you so easily. The sad fact is, he really is a baseball fan – who also happens to be a corrupt, lying weasel. When Jeff Conine threw out J. T. Snow at the plate to clinch the playoffs for the Feesh, I was sitting not even five rows behind Scrooge McLoria in a field box and had a perfectly clear view of him. When Pudge’s hand thrust up from the dust cloud with the baseball and the umpire rang Snow up, Scrooge leaped to his feet with both hands held high over his head, hands wide open as though trying to launch his fingers like a bunch of little skyrockets and spun around the face the crowd, and there was a look of such boyish, unalloyed joy on his face that it made me smile even more broadly than the just-concluded proceedings on the field.

      Of course, this was before the…er…real Scrooge McLoria embittered us all by breaking his promise that there would be “no dismantling” – his own words; I heard him speak them at the Series victory parade a few weeks later – and the first of his several “market corrections” (the Chihuahua’s phrase) and a litany of his misrepresentations and bunko schemes ensued. It would be easier to detest him if I had never seen that expression on his face. Unfortunately, as Nabokov noted, once it has been seen, it cannot be unseen. So if I want to detest him, I have to do it with the knowledge that there’s a little kid with a big smile buried somewhere underneath all that viscid, grasping avarice. Ah well.

      • henryd3rd - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:17 PM

        Now tell me how you really feel? Come man! Now you are getting nasty and you are beginning to sound like Norman the Car Salewsman. Next you’re going to want us to believe that Little Jeffrey the antique seller has done this before in another country?

      • dcfan4life - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM

        Are you sure that jubilant moment of his wasnt done with the knowledge that he knew immediately hes was now worth more money after that out than before? One out may have made him $50 million in net worth. Id jump for joy to that too.

      • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM

        Henryd3rd – how do I really feel? Well, if you genuinely want to know, my hemorrhoids are bothering me a little more than usual today.

        Mention of Scrooge McLoria does that.

    • cardsfanindelaware - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:49 PM

      Too bad this shitheal can own a baseball team and be allowed to do what he does.

      Mark Cuban would love to spend some of his billions on a baseball team and be a real owner, yet MLB won’t let that happen because Cuban would speak his mind…
      :(

  4. echech88 - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

    Why doesn’t he just sell? It’s becoming more and more clear he is in it for profit and now with the new stadium as a huge asset to pump the sale price, just do it. Someone new could do a lot of good down there without these two slimeballs in the picture.

    • echech88 - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

      Oh and I imagine a new owner would result in the quickest re-branding in sports history

      • splintchesthair - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:52 AM

        A switch to the American League would definitely help, too.

      • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:00 PM

        May the disease of designatedhitterball never befoul our doorstep.

    • geoknows - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM

      Why should he sell? He’s making money.

      • number42is1 - Jan 22, 2013 at 1:21 PM

        Why would he sell? He’s making money.

        FIXED

    • henryd3rd - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

      Now tell me how you really feel? Come man! Now you are getting nasty and you are beginning to sound like Norman the Car Saleman. Next you’re going to want us to believe that Little Jeffrey the antique seller has done this before in another country?

    • henryd3rd - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM

      Now tell me how you really feel? Come man! Now you are getting nasty and you are beginning to sound like Norman the Car Salesman. Next you’re going to want us to believe that Little Jeffrey the antique seller has done this before in another country?

  5. cackalackyank - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Well, I am not sure how the revenue from an All Star game is apportioned. Somehow I am not sure that Loria is the one that really gets punished in this thing. Hosting an All Star game is, I am sure, a huge financial boon to the host city/region. While I certainly would not want Loria to benefit from it…it just seems more of a swipe at Miami and the few remaining Feeesh fans out there.

    • henryd3rd - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:24 PM

      The deal Loria negotiated with those crooked Miami officials would give him all the concessions, i.e., booze, food, souvenirs and let’s not forget the parking. Oh did I mention that the residents in Little Havana can’t park on the streets near their home during home games? He gets it all.

  6. paint771 - Jan 22, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    I miss the Expos. :(

    • henryd3rd - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 PM

      I miss the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Baseball Giants.

  7. Ben - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:00 PM

    How does MLB let these little things fester? Loria and the Oakland stadium situation are such obvious pimples on the ass of baseball, you’d think they’d actually get around to dealing with them.

    • jarathen - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06 PM

      Baseball has a litany of problems. Luckily, it isn’t worse than the other major sports, but from replay to strike zones to a 15 year stretch of rampant cheating that the sport seems unwilling to accept, there are many things need fixing.

      • Ben - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:12 PM

        I’m not sure. Baseball, for all my kvetching is actually in pretty good shape. Reasonable parity, labor peace, financially viability and stability, a new generation of gorgeous parks extracted from tax payers.
        There are things that certainly need fixing, but compared to every other major sport, which has had a major strike in the last two years, I’d say baseball’s fine.

      • jarathen - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:49 PM

        I do think baseball is doing better than other sports in general. I just think that it has work to do, and always will, and I hope it is willing to tackle them. I do think Oakland and Miami are big issues that need dealing with.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        jarathen, sorry but Bud Light told me that last season’s attendance numbers clearly indicate that no one anywhere wants any of MLB’s problems to be fixed.

  8. Chris Fiorentino - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    LOL at the people who still think that owners of a baseball team are supposed to care about the fans. What a joke. Repeat after me…baseball is a business…baseball is a business…baseball is a business.

    Other than the scope of the net worth of the business, there is no difference between the guy who owns the Marlins, the local Denny’s, and the newspaper stand on Broad and Oregon. They all want to make money. If keeping their customers happy would make them a profit, they will do it. If shitting on their customers will make them more money, they will do it, and do it happily.

    • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM

      You’re absolutely right. The only problem is, shitting on their customers won’t make them more money. But apparently, it will make them enough to keep them happy. A stadium full of people buying tickets, food, beer and souvenirs will make them a lot more than a stadium populated by a league-worst handful of fans. Unfortunately, they’ve proven over and over again that, with the exception of one season with a team inherited from a GM who did know how to make it happen, Scrooge McLoria and his Chihuahua jdon’t know how to make that happen.

      • ptfu - Jan 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM

        I refuse to believe that Jeff Loria doesn’t know the best way to make money. Sure, maybe he realizes he’s useless at building winners and so he’s going with what he knows. But then again, you can spend big money and not win, but revenue sharing’s always there. Maybe Loria’s taking the sure bet. Let revenue sharing provide the bulk of your income instead of increased tickets and concessions following a winner.

      • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 10:13 PM

        Oh, I don’t doubt that’s what he’s doing. He’ll be sure to make X million by doing nothing and playing Chainsaw McLoria with his overhead, as opposed to trying to make X+Y million by investing consistently in his product with the risk of winding up making less than X if the endemic ineptitude of his choices and those of his front orifice prove insurmountable again.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Jan 23, 2013 at 7:22 AM

        OG, I am only guessing here, but I am willing to bet that the Marlins bottom line in 2013 will be higher than teams like the Rays and the Orioles who may have success but will spend double or even triple what the marlins will spend. As long as they have to compete with teams like the Yankees, Phillies, Angels, Red Sox, etc, why should these small-market teams try to win when they simply can not consistently do so? Tampa is the outlier in this current system, and even they will probably never be able to get over the hump because they won’t be able to keep all these guys together the way teams like the Yankees do.

  9. deathmonkey41 - Jan 22, 2013 at 12:51 PM

    That’s one thing I always appreciated about the elder Steinbrenner- he cared about winning. It might have been more for himself than the fans, but who cares?

  10. paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    Loria is almost Sammy Sosa colored in that picture.

    • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 1:48 PM

      Really?

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM

        Slap an ochre sweater on him and he’d look just as jaundiced as poor Sammy (I mean, yeah, with liver spots mixed in, but the base color is similar).

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM

        Don’t be jelly, paperlion. And you know Loria can’t carry off ochre. He’s a yellow sweater dude…obvious and cheap.

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:04 PM

        I’m a straight guy and know as much about fashion as any other straight guy….absolutely nothing. I’m not sure how to spot something that is cheap or obvious….I’m pretty good within the realm of t-shirts (short and long sleeved), flannel, thermal, and jeans….and that is about it.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:19 PM

        That means you’re an OLD straight guy b/c my little baseball buddy dudes spend as much time getting dressed as I do (maybe more). Don’t feel bad. I can’t wear ochre either.

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM

        Nah, that just means that I’m not a metro-sexual. To normal guys (in my world, at least), clothes are like tools. They should last and be functional, what they look like just isn’t that important compared to durability and functionality.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM

        Mind your ZZ Top now.

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        High maintenance.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM

        Booooo!!!!!!

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:03 PM

        I humbly (not really) submit that women that are crazy for a sharp[ly] dressed man are not interested in the man found in the sharp dress, but in what the sharpness of the dress represents about the man from a resource base perspective.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM

        I’m insulted. One of the things I like about going to DC is seeing all the dudes in ties & jackets around…which is such a nice change of pace for me, as I am normally surrounded by guys in khaki pants (sometimes, not even pleated — yea!) and golf shirts stretched tightly around a beer belly. HOTT!!!! But, okay, yeah, we’re all gold-diggers.

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM

        I’m honestly curious. What is the basis for viewing a guy in a suit differently than the exact same guy in jeans and a t-shirt? Is it just aesthetics?

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM

        I’m not saying guys aren’t appealing in jeans and a T too, but sometimes it’s nice to see something that requires a little more effort — and that often indicates a higher level of self-care in a guy. I’d imagine it’s like the difference for you in seeing a woman in a dress & heels instead of always in her comfy pants & oversized sweatshirt.

      • paperlions - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:41 PM

        Fair enough….I am just always suspicious of the superficial (or, at least, people that gravitate to it). Wearing a suit and tie seems to be the epitome of superficiality, designed so project and conform with little to no correlation between the person in the suit and the suit itself….rather than a suit saying “this is who I am” they always say to me “this is who I want you to perceive me to be”.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM

        Well, personally, I don’t want a guy who’s a suit. I don’t like ‘em too pretty or all country club either. It’s just you don’t want a guy who doesn’t make any effort with himself. I like to wear dresses & heels. I don’t want to go out dressed up & my date has on short pants & sandals. Own a nice pair of shoes. Have something you can wear to a wedding or funeral. That’s really not a high bar. What’s wrong with a button-up w/ your jeans…or a nice ochre sweater. ;)

      • historiophiliac - Jan 22, 2013 at 5:26 PM

        Oh, and on the flip side, if I saw you in jeans w/ white stitching and an Affliction t-shirt, I would troll the hell out of you.

      • cur68 - Jan 23, 2013 at 2:05 AM

        I look like Roger Bernadina (in my mind). I don’t wear a shirt.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Jan 23, 2013 at 7:44 AM

        You two should get a room already!

      • historiophiliac - Jan 23, 2013 at 7:44 AM

        Honest to God, bartender, he is not with us. We were just talking and he came over and sat down. I guess he can’t read the “No Shirt No Shoes No Service” sign. I think he’s a foreigner or something. Please don’t kick us out.

  11. jimmymarlinsfan - Jan 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    Another day, another anti-marlins article. Sigh.

    Besides who in their right mind would have wanted to play an all star game in that friggin football stadium?

    They will get the game soon enough but really….who cares?

    • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM

      Jimmy, that’s because on yet another day, yet another one of Scrooge McLoria’s numerous contemptible peccadilloes comes back to bite him on the ass. It’s part karma, part free market. There will surely be more anti-Scrooge McLoria articles because Scrooge McLoria will surely do something else penurious, disingenuous, dishonest or otherwise reprehensible to merit them.

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Jan 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM

        But all owners do these types of shenanigans.

        Let me put it this way, given the choice between having John Henry back as owner or keeping Loria as owner I’d take Loria a million times and twice on Sunday.

        Besides, again. It’s the all star game. Who cares?

        I’m just trying to figure out who hates and disrespects the Marlins more. Calcaterra or Jeff Passan over at Yahoo sports who quite simply hates everything about Miami

      • Old Gator - Jan 22, 2013 at 10:18 PM

        Neither Craig nor Passan hate the Feesh. They both think Scrooge McLoria is a liar and a crook, and incompetent to boot. And they’re both right.

  12. vipod4ever - Jan 22, 2013 at 9:21 PM

    Al Davis, for all his faults, loved the game. Not sure if we will see that again in pro sports.

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