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Bud Selig declines comment on potential involvement of Pete Rose in 2015 All-Star Game

Jan 23, 2013, 8:58 PM EDT

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John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer has the story:

The biggest All-Star moment in Cincinnati history was Pete Rose barreling over Ray Fosse to end the 1970 game at Riverfront Stadium.

Will Rose be allowed to participate in the 2015 ceremonies when Cincinnati hosts?

“I’m not going to comment on that today,” commissioner Bud Selig said.

Rose attends Reds home games fairly regularly, is still celebrated around the city, and seems likely to make his presence felt at Great American Ball Park during the 2015 Midsummer Classic whether Major League Baseball’s commissioner wants him there or not.

Selig claims that he plans to retire following the 2014 season, so it won’t really be his issue to deal with.

  1. dcfan4life - Jan 23, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Selig wont unban Rose. He wont praise him, honor him, or even call him by name. So maybe his protege will. One can only hope. One of the greatest pure hitters of all time deserves at least the honor of throwing out the first pitch in his own citys all star game, doesnt he?

    • mazblast - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:10 AM

      No, he doesn’t. He spent years hiding behind his hometown-kid-makes-good image, broke baseball’s cardinal rule, then spent over 15 years lying about it.

      Pete Rose doesn’t deserve the first bit of sympathy or compassion from true baseball fans.

    • 18thstreet - Jan 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM

      I think what makes Rose such a compelling player is that no one would call him a pure hitter. I’m not sure what it even means (to be a pure hitter), but it seems to me that Rose’s successes on the field were driven by his passion and work ethic, not his natural talents.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM

        18th: Spot on. I don’t know that anyone has done so much with so little to work with.
        Dude absolutely made himself into one of baseball’s best to ever play.
        Joe Morgan said he has never played with (or seen) anyone play as hard as #14 on a pitch by pitch, out by out, inning by inning basis. Joe said Pete played every pitch and/or out like it was the 3rd out of a WS Game #7.

    • Old Gator - Jan 24, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      We must pray – sacrifice goats, if necessary (I’m an atheist myself but I understand why the Bush-Bush Supreme Court thought it was okay to kill dumb animals in the name of superstition anyway) – to keep the next commissioner from being anything remotely like a “protege” of the current drooling idiot in chief of baseball. Frankly, the owners get away with so much murder with this Alzheimer’s poster boy in charge that they’ll probably keep him in office like Norman Bates’ mother until a pigeon nests in one of his eye sockets and gives the game away.

  2. jwbiii - Jan 23, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    Sure. Make it an MLB/Cincinnati salute to gambling. Rose wears an orange jumpsuit and gets second billing to one of Arnold Rothstein’s descendants to throw out first pitches.

    • Kevin Gillman - Jan 23, 2013 at 11:03 PM

      He did this time, this country is all about second chances. We’re not talking about optalking about coming back as a manager, just give him his just due, and move on. My gawd, you can’t gamble on baseball, but a man that might have, could have committed a double murder, or at the very leasy, knows who did it, is being celebrated right now as he prepares for the Super Bowl. Can someone please tell me what is wrong there?

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:07 AM

        Can someone please tell me what is wrong there?

        Well for one, it’s football. The same sport where fans couldn’t forgive Michael Vick even though he spent 20months in prison, more combined time than Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth, who both killed people, Jamal Lewis who was convicted in federal court of drug traffiking, and Ray Lewis who pled guilty to federal obstruction of justice.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jan 24, 2013 at 10:14 AM

        Okay, I will use a baseball reference. if the league can forgive Steve Howe, Daryl Strawberry, and Dwight Gooden, 3 outstanding players that went through drug abuse, especially with Howe 3 times, then surely they can honor a man who is the Hit King, despite gambling. He doesn’t have to manage, but just honor him somehow. He has done his time.

      • 18thstreet - Jan 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM

        He didn’t do his time. He agreed to a permanent ban.

        It ends when MLB folds. Then he will have done his time.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jan 24, 2013 at 10:20 AM

        He did HIS time, it’s called prison. Come on now, you think bans in baseball are permament? Really? It’s sad how hypocritical baseball can be. This guy made some bets, yet brought back drug abusers with open arms. Please tell me which one is worse.

      • 18thstreet - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:47 AM

        Steve Howe, I assume you mean. Is cocaine use worse than gambling? Mostly, yes.

        But we’re not talking about penalties via the justice system. We’re talking about — for want of a less-lofty term — crimes against baseball. And conspiring to fix games is just about the worst baseball crime that’s out there. It’s so bad that a sport needs to put its foot down — hard — against things that appear to be a step in the direction of considering the possibility that someone conspired to fix games.

        Is that, in the real world, worse than rape or murder or genocide? No. But MLB’s main task is the integrity of the game on the field. Rose’s punishment is appropriate. And he agreed to it.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        My point is though things can always change. I don’t look at Rose signing off on that “lifetime ban” to be permament, I never believed that for a second. I always thought he’d sign the deal, and is banned for 5-10 years, then Bud does the right thing and at least honors him the way he should. After all, he did what he did after playing the game. He did his time, so let’s move on from this.

      • jwbiii - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        Joe Jackson thought permanent bans in baseball were permanent.

      • Kevin Gillman - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:09 PM

        Reinstate him too, why not?

  3. FinFan68 - Jan 23, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    The ban is petty at this point. Say what you will about his character but there is no denying his play. He gambled and lied. He has been duely punished. Lift the ban and put the all-time hits king in the hall where he belongs.

    • mazblast - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:11 AM

      He agreed to be put on the Restricted List permanently. Selig is letting him honor his word, something Pete isn’t used to doing.

  4. randygnyc - Jan 23, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Yes, yes he does. Hopefully, Pete gets honored in his life time.

  5. balfe13 - Jan 23, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    Come on now, what are the odds of that really happening?… sorry, couldn’t resist

  6. husky2score - Jan 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    Of course Selig didn’t comment, the game is three years from now. He barely comments on adding instant replay each year so what would make us think he would comment on something three years from now? On the other hand, I would have my money on (see what I did there) Rose being present at the All Star Game.

    • cackalackyank - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM

      Present, yes. Involved? Probably not so much.

  7. jm91rs - Jan 23, 2013 at 10:24 PM

    Whether MLB lets him participate or not, he’ll be in his regular diamond seats (wearing a ridiculously tacky flat bill hat). They’ll show him on the jumbo tron and the place will go nuts.

    • mazblast - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:17 AM

      Which speaks volumes about the high loyalty and low intelligence of the mouth-breather segment of the Reds fan base.

      • jm91rs - Jan 24, 2013 at 9:51 AM

        Yes, it is certainly a sign of low intelligence to cheer for a hometown guy who hit more balls (What exactly is the goal of a batter? Oh yeah, HIT the ball) than anyone in the history of the game.

        We’re such dummies for liking a guy for what he did on the field (4256, 3 WS wins, 1 WS MVP, 1 League MVP, etc.).

  8. florida76 - Jan 23, 2013 at 11:12 PM

    It’s just an embarrassing situation all the way around, regardless of how the fans in Cincinnati feel. First, you have a former player who is embarrassing himself on a reality show, and has been a public joke since disgracing the game for years. He was not only one of the greatest, but most popular players in the history of that franchise, and the organization doesn’t want to have anything to do with him today. You can’t even buy a Rose jersey on the team website. Rose has also been shunned by his former teammates on the Big Red Machine.

    • historiophiliac - Jan 24, 2013 at 7:48 AM

      I feel like you stopped before you got to the “but…”

      • jm91rs - Jan 24, 2013 at 9:57 AM

        Rose has been shunned by Bench, they never got along. Most others think it’s disgusting what he did and how he lied, but they realize he should be in the Hall.
        What he did is embarrassing, but people who care about what he did for the Reds could care less if he has a ridiculous reality show now.

        And you can’t buy a Rose jersey for the same reason you won’t see his number hanging in the rafters at Great American. MLB simply will not let them acknowledge Pete in any way.

    • Kevin Gillman - Jan 24, 2013 at 10:17 AM

      Is that why Joe Morgan and Tony Concepcion still keep in touch with him? And Joe has been vocal about putting him in the HOF?

  9. Minoring In Baseball - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:45 AM

    I think it’s time to put it all in the past. The man did his time and is still banned from the Hall of Fame. He was a great player, and having him involved will probably won’t hurt anything. Leave it up to the Reds fans, though, if they want him there.
    http://minoringinbaseball.com/

  10. mpnepa - Jan 24, 2013 at 3:04 AM

    I am a huge Phillies fan and I am 42 years and old enough to recall Pete Rose playing for my beloved Philadelphia team. Heck if it wasn’t for him we would not have had our first World Championship in 1980. I love on how People hate and despise him for what? Gambling on Baseball? Give me a break I could careless about that and he is forced in to this ridiculous and necessary life time ban because the scumbag commissioner of the time Bart Giamatti had it out for him. Yet, we also hate Pete Rose for lying all of these years about it and here we are celebrating recent players for their greatness. I love on how players like Bonds and Clemens both cheaters and frauds are given praise even though they did drugs and steroids and lied about not doing the stuff and are continually lying about it and that is fine. They both ruin the game and states for pitchers and hitters and that is fine and people love those two and hate Pete Rose. I just don’t get it. I agree that Pete Rose does deserve a second chance and I for one want to see that. I am glad that cheaters like McGuire, Bonds, and Clemens are not going into the Hall this time around and they deserve a life time ban for baseball. I am disgusted with this double standard in baseball cheating and doing drugs and so forth are fine and gambling isn’t? I could careless if Pete bet on The Clearwater Phillies it hurts no one and no stats are ruined yet usind drugs to be the pitching champ and homer master is fine. That just makes me sick. Yeah, these are the same fools that re-elected a moron and loser president into a second term to destroy us because he wants to and can. What a country.
    I do hope that Pete will be re instated as he should be and be at the All Star Game in 2015 and it would be an honor to watch him there. What is an embarrassment is this negative comments about him. Uncalled for and unjust.

    • historiophiliac - Jan 24, 2013 at 7:51 AM

      I know. Thank God the Bush-Cheney era is over, right?

      • skids003 - Jan 24, 2013 at 8:45 AM

        When he says double standard that should give you a clue, but I bet you are one of them.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 24, 2013 at 9:32 AM

        I don’t know what you mean “one of them,” but you should never drop sh!t on here & not expect someone to give it back to you. That’s rule #2 on the webs.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:25 AM

        I will try to help Philiac.
        I think Skids is saying “one of them” means…
        Bleeding heart, warm and fuzzy party backing, flaming liberal who feels guilty about their hard earned success.
        Qualification/Disclaimer:
        Please know if one is employeed by the state and/or federal government it is quite logical to feel this way. As I have said many times…it’s all about who best butters one’s bread.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        Other than “liberal,” I don’t think that applies to me in any way, Woodpecker — but what being a liberal has to do w/ one’s stand on Pete Rose is beyond me…I don’t know why he went to that, but if he thought he was being clever, I was going to disabuse him of that notion.

        Rage!

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:17 PM

        Point taken Philiac. It’s just a hunch…
        But I am guessing your Bush-Cheney comment led to the “one of them” post from Skids. He may have implied it was the double standard comment in regards to #14.
        But my money is on the Bush-Cheney comment.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        BTW, do you think anyone on here really thinks I’m warm & fuzzy? Really? lol

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 24, 2013 at 2:19 PM

        It a name I coined for the left. The “warm and fuzzy” party…if you will.
        It makes me feel all “warm and fuzzy” to help everyone out. It makes feel all “warm and fuzzy” to prop people up with entitlements. I makes me feel all “warm and fuzzy” to do all the thinking for everyone. It makes me feel all “warm and fuzzy” to hold no one accountable for their own actions (or inactions).
        Then I graduated high school and college, went to work in the real world, ultimately started my own business…and quickly figured out “warm and fuzzy” gets you a swift kick in the nuts. More specifically…it’s LaLa Land.

      • historiophiliac - Jan 24, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        It might shock you, but I happen to think the other side does a lot of what you describe, but, anyway, I’m not taking the positions I do to feel good — I do it to advocate for people like me. It’s rage — not warm fuzzies.

    • tomtravis76 - Jan 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

      Put them all in the Hall. Pete should be in the Hall, but you address what took place. And there is no way he only bet on the Reds to win, not a chance. Put Shoeless Joe Jackson in the Hall. Put any guy who made the game great duing the steroid era in the Hall of Fame, otherwise strip those teams of wins, strip them of the awards,delete these players from the history of the game because of “cheating”. Punish the organizations for looking the other way by taking away division titles and World Series titles for using players who were found guilty or the writers have found gulty of using steroids.

      • stlouis1baseball - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        tomtravis’ post makes the most sense to me.
        In fact, I have argued this for many years.
        If you let Pete in…
        You gotta’ let em’ all in. Shoeless Joe played his ass off in the World Series.
        Shoeless Joe was mentally challenged.
        Shoeless Joe was taken advantage of by many, many people.
        And everyone wants to bitch and whine about #14’s permanent ban? Gotcha…

      • jm91rs - Jan 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

        Aren’t too many people alive that saw Shoeless Joe play, I’m sure once everyone that saw Pete play pass on to the next life, the cry for him to get in will go away.

        But if Joe Jackson was a hall of famer, then yes put him in too. List his stats, maybe a little blurb about why he’s named shoeless joe and then a nice big part about his involvement in World Series fixing.

        Do the same to Pete. Put him in (hell, right next to Joe would be a good place), mention Charlie Hustle, the hits, and a nice big blurb about him betting on his own team and being banned from working in the game of baseball.

  11. kicksave1980 - Jan 24, 2013 at 3:56 AM

    @mpnepa- That’s all fine and good, but gambling on baseball carried a lifetime ban forever…steroids doesn’t. Pete knew the rule, and knew what would happen if he got caught gambling, and did it anyway. When he finally owned up to it, it was to sell a book. Pete Rose was an amazing player, but his ban isn’t unjust. He knowingly broke baseball’s one golden rule.

  12. doorharp11 - Jan 24, 2013 at 7:35 AM

    Whats the difference between rose betting on baseball and professional sports players playing fantasy football and gambling on that aspect. If pete rose cant do it and he shouldnt have but why are nfl players allowed to gamble on nfl players? Is it legal for players to be gambling with fantasy sports in their own perfession?

  13. johnnyb1976 - Jan 24, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    If Bonds, Clemens, and the rest of the PED chain gang can be on a hall of fame ballot. Why can’t Pete be reinstated to be able to throw out the first pitch at the all star game? This coming from a mouth breathing reds fan…. Moron

  14. cryogenichead406 - Jan 24, 2013 at 10:13 AM

    is it going to kill Buddy Boy to reinstate Pete AND Shoeless Joe and do what is right for the STORY of the game? Put it on their plaques that they got tossed from the game. Fine. But these guys BELONG in that place. I’m tired of the romantic nonsense of this game and the stupid music like at Yankee Stadium. It’s baseball and there are REAL schmucks already in there. Time for Pete & Joe.

  15. cackalackyank - Jan 24, 2013 at 11:24 AM

    Wow, did anyone else notice that Rose set the hit record on 9/11/1985. Maybe we can hold him responsible for that too. /sarcasm Eventually, MLB is going to have wake up and admit that the Bronze gods from the past now in Cooperstown were far from perfect. (Particularly Ty Cobb) Do we really know for sure that none of the players from days of yore bet on Baseball? Of course not, they just happened to not get caught. So also are players from the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Yes, betting on baseball is taboo, but so apparently are a lot of other things. Other players were banned and reinstated. I think we might let the All Time hit leader off the hook after almost 20 years banned.

  16. thomas2727 - Jan 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    I attended Game 4 of the 2002 World Series in San Francisco. I can tell Pete got the largest ovation by far out of all of the former players the attended the Memorable Moment’s Ceremony.

    I can only imagine the ovation he would get in Cincinnati.

    Somebody correct me if I am wrong but Mr. Giamatti made a public statement that Pete Rose bet on baseball when an agreement was signed that there would be no finding saying Pete bet on baseball.

    We all know Pete bet on the Reds. My argument is a signed agreement should be honored.

    Pete could have made a mess of this and drug it out for a long time but for whatever reason signed the agreement which banished him. The common theory is Mr. Giamatti had a verbal agreement for a predetermined suspension time. Who knows for sure?

    In my opinion Pete should be able to appear at official MLB functions and be eligible for the Hall of Fame but I do not think he should ever be able to be involved with any day to day operation of any MLB team.

    In the event Pete ever gets elected to the Hall of Fame his plaque should state he admitted to betting on baseball.

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