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	<title>Comments on: MLB on the Rays: &#8220;The status quo is simply not sustainable&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: jrbdmb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sober comments are typically far more enlightening.  You should try it sometime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sober comments are typically far more enlightening.  You should try it sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: leeeroooyjeeenkiiins</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 05:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sure hope so, but as we&#039;ve seen time and time again all across the country, the average voter isn&#039;t nearly as informed as you are. Particularly on &quot;minor&quot; political offices like a mayor. Many people simply go in with the &quot;well I haven&#039;t heard anything horrible so he must be ok!&quot; mentality and vote yes without even doing 5 minutes of research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope so, but as we&#8217;ve seen time and time again all across the country, the average voter isn&#8217;t nearly as informed as you are. Particularly on &#8220;minor&#8221; political offices like a mayor. Many people simply go in with the &#8220;well I haven&#8217;t heard anything horrible so he must be ok!&#8221; mentality and vote yes without even doing 5 minutes of research.</p>
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		<title>By: bk9876</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is only one reason a new stadium deal has not come to fruition.  His name is (St. Pete) Mayor Foster, who is a complete moron.  He has been stonewalling the stadium issue for over 2 years now.  He is playing games (he stated 3 months ago he had a secret plan that was in the local news; turned out he had no plan).  Another example, this week alone he called a press conference where he didn&#039;t have his facts right.  He claimed Sweetbay (grocery) decision to leave the city was a surprise.  He had to tuck tail because he *forgot* that he met with SweetBay in April 2011 about improving Sweetbay (grocery store) traffic and this specific issue. The guy is a bum and he has been holding the stadium contract in the face of the Rays; in essence making them a corporate hostage.  If he had any brains, he would be negotiating with the Rays to buyout the lease; then take the massive property he has in the area where the Rays stadium is now and re-use it for commercial purposes (condos and hotels). This area is one mile from a Marina.  

The good news is that he is up for re-election this Fall and I am sure the voters will not forget his blunders:  stadium deal, sweetbay, and oh lets not forget he assured the citizens the RNC security would not cost the taxpayers a dime...it came out this week it cost the city $30,000 (his numbers) paper reported it was $518K.  Incompetence!  

The VOTERS will speak and solve this problem or at least get it going in the right direction this Fall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one reason a new stadium deal has not come to fruition.  His name is (St. Pete) Mayor Foster, who is a complete moron.  He has been stonewalling the stadium issue for over 2 years now.  He is playing games (he stated 3 months ago he had a secret plan that was in the local news; turned out he had no plan).  Another example, this week alone he called a press conference where he didn&#8217;t have his facts right.  He claimed Sweetbay (grocery) decision to leave the city was a surprise.  He had to tuck tail because he *forgot* that he met with SweetBay in April 2011 about improving Sweetbay (grocery store) traffic and this specific issue. The guy is a bum and he has been holding the stadium contract in the face of the Rays; in essence making them a corporate hostage.  If he had any brains, he would be negotiating with the Rays to buyout the lease; then take the massive property he has in the area where the Rays stadium is now and re-use it for commercial purposes (condos and hotels). This area is one mile from a Marina.  </p>
<p>The good news is that he is up for re-election this Fall and I am sure the voters will not forget his blunders:  stadium deal, sweetbay, and oh lets not forget he assured the citizens the RNC security would not cost the taxpayers a dime&#8230;it came out this week it cost the city $30,000 (his numbers) paper reported it was $518K.  Incompetence!  </p>
<p>The VOTERS will speak and solve this problem or at least get it going in the right direction this Fall.</p>
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		<title>By: bk9876</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also live in the Tampa area....NOW!  Not 15 years ago as you indicated.  You are so out of touch with this issue.  Your post is idiotic and full of un-related garbage spoken like a typical uneducated Red Sox fan.  Try writing your thoughts down next time and edit them for six hours then you might make a single tangible point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also live in the Tampa area&#8230;.NOW!  Not 15 years ago as you indicated.  You are so out of touch with this issue.  Your post is idiotic and full of un-related garbage spoken like a typical uneducated Red Sox fan.  Try writing your thoughts down next time and edit them for six hours then you might make a single tangible point.</p>
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		<title>By: fabdeezy77</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah your right Crnvic847 the Tampa Bay Lightning are sustainable professional sports team. Good try though]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah your right Crnvic847 the Tampa Bay Lightning are sustainable professional sports team. Good try though</p>
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		<title>By: jdl1325</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost positive there is no sportsbook at the Hard Rock. Still, I can&#039;t see MLB being stoked about a stadium Adamo Dr.  with a casino.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost positive there is no sportsbook at the Hard Rock. Still, I can&#8217;t see MLB being stoked about a stadium Adamo Dr.  with a casino.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hotel bed tax was supposed to be available to Macondo for infrastructure improvements benefiting tourism, its economic engine. Healthy tourism industry generates tax revenues beyond the bed tax that fund schools, roads, hospitals and so forth. Bed tax money pissed away on stadium in crooked, incompetent backroom political deal massively opposed by the citizenry. Citizens of Macondo shafted in the process. Inconvenient extrapolation beyond the squamous masquerade of &quot;tourists&quot; paying for the stadium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hotel bed tax was supposed to be available to Macondo for infrastructure improvements benefiting tourism, its economic engine. Healthy tourism industry generates tax revenues beyond the bed tax that fund schools, roads, hospitals and so forth. Bed tax money pissed away on stadium in crooked, incompetent backroom political deal massively opposed by the citizenry. Citizens of Macondo shafted in the process. Inconvenient extrapolation beyond the squamous masquerade of &#8220;tourists&#8221; paying for the stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmymarlinsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You sound bitter. Maybe your rays should try winning a title or two before bragging]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound bitter. Maybe your rays should try winning a title or two before bragging</p>
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		<title>By: jimmymarlinsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a problem but the reason the marlins couldn&#039;t draw last year was that they were awful and boring to watch. When they put a good team together, marlins park will fill up. Miami fans only love a winner with their money]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a problem but the reason the marlins couldn&#8217;t draw last year was that they were awful and boring to watch. When they put a good team together, marlins park will fill up. Miami fans only love a winner with their money</p>
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		<title>By: bolweevils2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, looking at a map, it looks to me that St. Pete is still on the wrong side of the bridge for that to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, looking at a map, it looks to me that St. Pete is still on the wrong side of the bridge for that to work.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmymarlinsfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hotel bed tax paid for the Marlins stadium. I know, I know. A forgettable fact when the chance to bash Loria comes up]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hotel bed tax paid for the Marlins stadium. I know, I know. A forgettable fact when the chance to bash Loria comes up</p>
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		<title>By: Rockie D. Bull</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rockie D. Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Punkball gets a big turnout from those folks in Orlando - because it&#039;s their 1 and only pro team of any kind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punkball gets a big turnout from those folks in Orlando &#8211; because it&#8217;s their 1 and only pro team of any kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Rockie D. Bull</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rockie D. Bull]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Trop beats the brand new Blow Hole in Fishville every day of the week and twice on Sunday - AND - we weren&#039;t hornswaggled by the commissioner of baseball and a crooked owner to get it built.

Now that that ownership and the commissioner have their new Miami stadium - look what has happened after they ripped off the public for all that money.

Let&#039;s see who draws more fans this year - the contending Rays playing in a supposedly bad stadium OR the Blow Fish playing in a brand new stadium with zero parking and a miner league team on the field.

A new stadium is NOT the answer for the Rays. Better marketing and promoting what they do have is the best way to go instead of this constant bashing of the Trop and Tampa Bay fans by MLB (especially Uncle Bud) and team ownership.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Trop beats the brand new Blow Hole in Fishville every day of the week and twice on Sunday &#8211; AND &#8211; we weren&#8217;t hornswaggled by the commissioner of baseball and a crooked owner to get it built.</p>
<p>Now that that ownership and the commissioner have their new Miami stadium &#8211; look what has happened after they ripped off the public for all that money.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see who draws more fans this year &#8211; the contending Rays playing in a supposedly bad stadium OR the Blow Fish playing in a brand new stadium with zero parking and a miner league team on the field.</p>
<p>A new stadium is NOT the answer for the Rays. Better marketing and promoting what they do have is the best way to go instead of this constant bashing of the Trop and Tampa Bay fans by MLB (especially Uncle Bud) and team ownership.</p>
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		<title>By: stopthemadness101</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stopthemadness101]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Umm.  Wrong.  This area relies on tourism more than most.  Our economy has been impacted by the recession and housing crash more than most.  Our stadium is surrounded by water on three sides in a location that isn&#039;t suited for a MLB park thanks to the brilliant planning of our previous city leadership.  That being said the Rays are loved here.  Despite the transplants from up North who still support the Red Sux and Wankees we are slowly building up a fan base.  It will take a generation or more but we will get there.  The team play in Tampa, closer to our population center.  All you losers who are envious of our team go f.ck yourselves.  The team is not leaving Florida.  It&#039;s people like you calling for the team to move that allows owners to play cities against each other to finance their stadiums.  If your city deserved a team it would already have one no f.ck off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm.  Wrong.  This area relies on tourism more than most.  Our economy has been impacted by the recession and housing crash more than most.  Our stadium is surrounded by water on three sides in a location that isn&#8217;t suited for a MLB park thanks to the brilliant planning of our previous city leadership.  That being said the Rays are loved here.  Despite the transplants from up North who still support the Red Sux and Wankees we are slowly building up a fan base.  It will take a generation or more but we will get there.  The team play in Tampa, closer to our population center.  All you losers who are envious of our team go f.ck yourselves.  The team is not leaving Florida.  It&#8217;s people like you calling for the team to move that allows owners to play cities against each other to finance their stadiums.  If your city deserved a team it would already have one no f.ck off.</p>
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		<title>By: takavl</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a native Floridian (Pasco County, peeps) now living in baseball world -- that would be the area of the NE from B&#039;more to Boston (since &#039;99) --  I ain&#039;t crying and laughing at all of you pining for the Rays to do x, y, z, I&#039;m crying and laughing WITH you.  Here&#039;s why ---

1)  FL (and the Deep South) will never, ever, ever (sorry) NOT be on their knees in credulous worship of their blessed church, i.e., FOOTBALL!  Hail yeah, mayen!  There are reasons that FL was and still is Spring Training Land.  Lessee; transient/tourist state, poor infrastructure, bad economy, retirees, poorly-paid service people, idiots/local yokels who can&#039;t sit still for longer than the length of an average high school football game, etc.  It has been and always will be the banana republic of the U.S., with some fits and starts and grasps at modernity (the Tampa public libary, UF, FSU, USF, etc).  All of this translates into laughable attendance for an admirably-run team (the Rays).  It&#039;s a damn shame, but whaddaya gonna do?

2)  To those of you calling for a stadium move to Plant City or East Tampa, I think that you are letting your enthusiasm blind you to reality, see above.  Football rules in the strip mall/pasture/orange grove wastelands, people.  You KNOW this.  Just stop.  There is one reason people go to that part of town, besides meth, and that&#039;s for strawberry shortcake.  Related -- the best thing that the voters of St. Pete have done in a while was to turn down a new stadium, but hey, if you all want to take it up, knock yourselves out.  You really have to wonder about the voters in Hills. Co. after that abomination that the Bucs play in -- do you really want to be tricked, AGAIN?  Wanna join with the schmoes in Miami and Fort Myers feeling ripped off?  Really?!   Why do you guys fall for con jobs, particularly from people who wouldn&#039;t think of hiking taxes by 1 cent for potholes, school lunches, or high speed rail?  Duh.

It was a noble experiment (the Devil, that&#039;s DEVIL Rays, and the Marlins) but one that failed.  At least there was the Latin market in Miami, (the Yanks have a foot hold in Tampa during March, inexplicably) but one that was highly overestimated, even after stupid post-Series firesales.  As a kid I had to root for teams so far out of town (Braves, no...Cards, no...okay, how about Cincy?  Yes!) they might as well have been on the moon...&quot;let&#039;s give the kids some state teams&quot;....as I said, the thought was there, but in FL and the Deep dirty &#039;murkin cricket will ALWAYS be outdrawn by a &quot;fascist metaphor for nuclear annihilation.&quot;  (Loved that bit.)  (Atlanta is a complete anomaly, its own little self-enclosed world of insularity that it works somehow, but that&#039;s urbane GA, not FL.  St. Louis doesn&#039;t count, being the gateway and all, plus sitting on that historical trickle of wata.)

Somewhat related -- I always wondered about those dumb ray tanks and the little sand stingers in there.  Devil rays are mantas,  and much too large for petting, so yer gonna put these lil&#039; babies in there instead, and make that enclosed dome smell like the Ybor Aquarium?  Ick.

Anyway, keep fighting the good fight, and let the Sternberg experiment run its course.  Enjoy all you can and evangelize your little hearts away.  Go see any and every team you can during the spring.  Put those stupid cowbells down, give them to your local high school band.  I mean this with all sincerity, really I do...save those paychecks and those miles for a trip to B&#039;more, NYC, Boston, hell, even Chicago, and come experience places with MANY people who care about baseball.  I&#039;m sorry, I know it hurts...but I didn&#039;t know HOW it hurt until I moved up here....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a native Floridian (Pasco County, peeps) now living in baseball world &#8212; that would be the area of the NE from B&#8217;more to Boston (since &#8217;99) &#8212;  I ain&#8217;t crying and laughing at all of you pining for the Rays to do x, y, z, I&#8217;m crying and laughing WITH you.  Here&#8217;s why &#8212;</p>
<p>1)  FL (and the Deep South) will never, ever, ever (sorry) NOT be on their knees in credulous worship of their blessed church, i.e., FOOTBALL!  Hail yeah, mayen!  There are reasons that FL was and still is Spring Training Land.  Lessee; transient/tourist state, poor infrastructure, bad economy, retirees, poorly-paid service people, idiots/local yokels who can&#8217;t sit still for longer than the length of an average high school football game, etc.  It has been and always will be the banana republic of the U.S., with some fits and starts and grasps at modernity (the Tampa public libary, UF, FSU, USF, etc).  All of this translates into laughable attendance for an admirably-run team (the Rays).  It&#8217;s a damn shame, but whaddaya gonna do?</p>
<p>2)  To those of you calling for a stadium move to Plant City or East Tampa, I think that you are letting your enthusiasm blind you to reality, see above.  Football rules in the strip mall/pasture/orange grove wastelands, people.  You KNOW this.  Just stop.  There is one reason people go to that part of town, besides meth, and that&#8217;s for strawberry shortcake.  Related &#8212; the best thing that the voters of St. Pete have done in a while was to turn down a new stadium, but hey, if you all want to take it up, knock yourselves out.  You really have to wonder about the voters in Hills. Co. after that abomination that the Bucs play in &#8212; do you really want to be tricked, AGAIN?  Wanna join with the schmoes in Miami and Fort Myers feeling ripped off?  Really?!   Why do you guys fall for con jobs, particularly from people who wouldn&#8217;t think of hiking taxes by 1 cent for potholes, school lunches, or high speed rail?  Duh.</p>
<p>It was a noble experiment (the Devil, that&#8217;s DEVIL Rays, and the Marlins) but one that failed.  At least there was the Latin market in Miami, (the Yanks have a foot hold in Tampa during March, inexplicably) but one that was highly overestimated, even after stupid post-Series firesales.  As a kid I had to root for teams so far out of town (Braves, no&#8230;Cards, no&#8230;okay, how about Cincy?  Yes!) they might as well have been on the moon&#8230;&#8221;let&#8217;s give the kids some state teams&#8221;&#8230;.as I said, the thought was there, but in FL and the Deep dirty &#8216;murkin cricket will ALWAYS be outdrawn by a &#8220;fascist metaphor for nuclear annihilation.&#8221;  (Loved that bit.)  (Atlanta is a complete anomaly, its own little self-enclosed world of insularity that it works somehow, but that&#8217;s urbane GA, not FL.  St. Louis doesn&#8217;t count, being the gateway and all, plus sitting on that historical trickle of wata.)</p>
<p>Somewhat related &#8212; I always wondered about those dumb ray tanks and the little sand stingers in there.  Devil rays are mantas,  and much too large for petting, so yer gonna put these lil&#8217; babies in there instead, and make that enclosed dome smell like the Ybor Aquarium?  Ick.</p>
<p>Anyway, keep fighting the good fight, and let the Sternberg experiment run its course.  Enjoy all you can and evangelize your little hearts away.  Go see any and every team you can during the spring.  Put those stupid cowbells down, give them to your local high school band.  I mean this with all sincerity, really I do&#8230;save those paychecks and those miles for a trip to B&#8217;more, NYC, Boston, hell, even Chicago, and come experience places with MANY people who care about baseball.  I&#8217;m sorry, I know it hurts&#8230;but I didn&#8217;t know HOW it hurt until I moved up here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bolweevils2</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t there talk that Tampa and St. Pete could work a deal, Tampa gets the Rays while St. Pete gets the cruise ship terminal currently in Tampa?  Apparently having to go under the bridge limits the Tampa cruise terminal to only smaller ships, and there is thought of moving it to someplace in St. Pete that doesn&#039;t require passing under the bridge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there talk that Tampa and St. Pete could work a deal, Tampa gets the Rays while St. Pete gets the cruise ship terminal currently in Tampa?  Apparently having to go under the bridge limits the Tampa cruise terminal to only smaller ships, and there is thought of moving it to someplace in St. Pete that doesn&#8217;t require passing under the bridge.</p>
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		<title>By: 4d3fect</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The horror....]]></description>
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		<title>By: Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Portland, please. I&#039;ll buy season tickets tomorrow if they do it. Joe Maddon&#039;s glasses will play perfectly to the bearded crowd.

(I know it&#039;s not actually likely to happen because of the lease situation and the difficulty of building a dome in Portland, but driving to Seattle sucks bad enough, then you have to watch the &lt;i&gt;Mariners&lt;/i&gt;.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portland, please. I&#8217;ll buy season tickets tomorrow if they do it. Joe Maddon&#8217;s glasses will play perfectly to the bearded crowd.</p>
<p>(I know it&#8217;s not actually likely to happen because of the lease situation and the difficulty of building a dome in Portland, but driving to Seattle sucks bad enough, then you have to watch the <i>Mariners</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: jdd428</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t Buffalo having enough trouble trying to keep the Bills from leaving for Toronto or LA? I don&#039;t see MLB entertaining that notion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Buffalo having enough trouble trying to keep the Bills from leaving for Toronto or LA? I don&#8217;t see MLB entertaining that notion.</p>
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		<title>By: joegolfer</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because it is superhot and humid in Florida in the summer months, that&#039;s why.
And because of the love of the game.  It&#039;s great to go to a real game rather than sit on your sofa for all of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it is superhot and humid in Florida in the summer months, that&#8217;s why.<br />
And because of the love of the game.  It&#8217;s great to go to a real game rather than sit on your sofa for all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: leeeroooyjeeenkiiins</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The biggest issue with attendance is that there are a multitude of them. Location. Economy. Bandwagoners. Northerners that cling to their old teams. Another one that is very rarely mentioned is also corporate tickets...the percentage of companies purchasing tickets for employees is FAR less than it is for most professional teams.

Out of these, location is the only one that can be changed right now. The Rays have no control over the economy, and corporate participation is tied in with that. Bandwagoners will always be there, but in time some of them will become die-hard, and new generations of fans will turn to the Rays even if their parents are Yankees/Red Sox fans. But those latter 2 will take a while to change, and the Rays will need to be consistently great for a while too. 


Location, however, is the biggest issue and is the only one that can theoretically be fixed. The majority of space within 25 miles of the current stadium is...water. Putting it in Tampa, preferably East Tampa, is a no-brainer, and this is coming from someone who lives in Pinellas and would have to drive farther to get there. But it has to be done. Everyone knows it, except Foster. The frustrating thing is that Bud Selig and MLB CAN step in and do something. If this was a major issue for them, they could chip in and pay the majority of the remaining lease. Instead, they are going to continue to play the role of bully and try to force this to happen without providing any relief to the residents of St Pete. The stadium in Tampa will also be almost completely taxpayer funded as well, because Selig looks out for his buddies. 

I love everything that Sternberg has done with the franchise, but his refusal to do any budging of his own is beginning to get old. Look to Vinik for an example of a great owner. He has completely paid for stadium renovations out of his own pocket and continues to reach out to the community generously, and the fans have responded. The Lightning were right around the middle of the pack in attendance last year, despite missing the playoffs. If hockey can succeed in Tampa, baseball can too. But ownership will need to do their part. Fans certainly deserve a lot of blame, but at the same time Sternberg knew what he was buying when he got into this. He knew about the lease, the location, and the fickle fans. If he wants this to happen, he needs to help out. The economy down here is right up there with the worst in the country and screwing taxpayers as Selig is hoping to do will have a devastating effect on the area. It&#039;s easy to forget this sometimes, but sports affects a lot more than just sports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest issue with attendance is that there are a multitude of them. Location. Economy. Bandwagoners. Northerners that cling to their old teams. Another one that is very rarely mentioned is also corporate tickets&#8230;the percentage of companies purchasing tickets for employees is FAR less than it is for most professional teams.</p>
<p>Out of these, location is the only one that can be changed right now. The Rays have no control over the economy, and corporate participation is tied in with that. Bandwagoners will always be there, but in time some of them will become die-hard, and new generations of fans will turn to the Rays even if their parents are Yankees/Red Sox fans. But those latter 2 will take a while to change, and the Rays will need to be consistently great for a while too. </p>
<p>Location, however, is the biggest issue and is the only one that can theoretically be fixed. The majority of space within 25 miles of the current stadium is&#8230;water. Putting it in Tampa, preferably East Tampa, is a no-brainer, and this is coming from someone who lives in Pinellas and would have to drive farther to get there. But it has to be done. Everyone knows it, except Foster. The frustrating thing is that Bud Selig and MLB CAN step in and do something. If this was a major issue for them, they could chip in and pay the majority of the remaining lease. Instead, they are going to continue to play the role of bully and try to force this to happen without providing any relief to the residents of St Pete. The stadium in Tampa will also be almost completely taxpayer funded as well, because Selig looks out for his buddies. </p>
<p>I love everything that Sternberg has done with the franchise, but his refusal to do any budging of his own is beginning to get old. Look to Vinik for an example of a great owner. He has completely paid for stadium renovations out of his own pocket and continues to reach out to the community generously, and the fans have responded. The Lightning were right around the middle of the pack in attendance last year, despite missing the playoffs. If hockey can succeed in Tampa, baseball can too. But ownership will need to do their part. Fans certainly deserve a lot of blame, but at the same time Sternberg knew what he was buying when he got into this. He knew about the lease, the location, and the fickle fans. If he wants this to happen, he needs to help out. The economy down here is right up there with the worst in the country and screwing taxpayers as Selig is hoping to do will have a devastating effect on the area. It&#8217;s easy to forget this sometimes, but sports affects a lot more than just sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great idea. Meet you at the Mossfire Grill for a cup of their nonpareil chipotle corn chowder.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would have to be one helluva slump - and the player would also need to feel an odd urge to eat your brain.]]></description>
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		<title>By: jashton11</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point on the mass transit in Charlotte. And you&#039;re right about college basketball -- it will always be king in North Carolina. That said, I wouldn&#039;t sell the baseball culture in the state short.

I don&#039;t think The Triad would be a viable alternative. The Hurricanes played there for their first year or two, and I don&#039;t remember them drawing well. (To be fair, that could have been because NHL hockey was still new to the region.) The Triad alone isn&#039;t big enough to support a team and halfway between Raleigh and Charlotte is still an hour and a half drive in either direction. That&#039;s fine for an ACC Tournament but not 81 home baseball games a year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point on the mass transit in Charlotte. And you&#8217;re right about college basketball &#8212; it will always be king in North Carolina. That said, I wouldn&#8217;t sell the baseball culture in the state short.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think The Triad would be a viable alternative. The Hurricanes played there for their first year or two, and I don&#8217;t remember them drawing well. (To be fair, that could have been because NHL hockey was still new to the region.) The Triad alone isn&#8217;t big enough to support a team and halfway between Raleigh and Charlotte is still an hour and a half drive in either direction. That&#8217;s fine for an ACC Tournament but not 81 home baseball games a year.</p>
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		<title>By: leeeroooyjeeenkiiins</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It can&#039;t be between Tampa and Orlando, but east Tampa could definitely work.]]></description>
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		<title>By: deepstblu</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Jersey voters turned down funding for a proposed baseball stadium in the Meadowlands years ago and would probably do the same if the question came up again. The Yankee fans are happy being Yankee fans, the Philly fans are happy being Philly fans and don&#039;t want their taxes going to something &quot;up north.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Jersey voters turned down funding for a proposed baseball stadium in the Meadowlands years ago and would probably do the same if the question came up again. The Yankee fans are happy being Yankee fans, the Philly fans are happy being Philly fans and don&#8217;t want their taxes going to something &#8220;up north.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jashton11</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with you on all that, brewcrew. One other thing that Charlotte would have in its favor as an MLB market is the local financial industry. It&#039;s not as strong as it was before the recession, but there would still be plenty of corporate support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you on all that, brewcrew. One other thing that Charlotte would have in its favor as an MLB market is the local financial industry. It&#8217;s not as strong as it was before the recession, but there would still be plenty of corporate support.</p>
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		<title>By: themagicfanguy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a fan who lives in Orlando. It&#039;s a pain to get to the Trop, SERIOUSLY! If they moved it to the other side of town, they&#039;d get a lot of fans from ORL, like myself. The Magic are a good example of how supportive fans in this area can be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fan who lives in Orlando. It&#8217;s a pain to get to the Trop, SERIOUSLY! If they moved it to the other side of town, they&#8217;d get a lot of fans from ORL, like myself. The Magic are a good example of how supportive fans in this area can be.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both SA and NO would be small markets.  Both those domes would be temporary options at best, would have to come with breaking ground an a new stadium.  Watch the fur fly from both the Rangers and Astros should any team try to move into San Antonio.  The Astros would also be very displeased with a New Orleans team.  

Simeon&#039;s right--this is not happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both SA and NO would be small markets.  Both those domes would be temporary options at best, would have to come with breaking ground an a new stadium.  Watch the fur fly from both the Rangers and Astros should any team try to move into San Antonio.  The Astros would also be very displeased with a New Orleans team.  </p>
<p>Simeon&#8217;s right&#8211;this is not happening.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would be nice to see baseball back in Montreal, but they&#039;d need a new park. 

Montreal, Toronto, Boston and New York all in the same Division. 
Nobody would know whether to wear baseball jerseys or hockey sweaters. 

Hockey players could teach the ball players how to fight.
 Ball players could teach their hockey brothers how to spit
 sunflower seeds on the ice at critical junctures. 
Win-Win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be nice to see baseball back in Montreal, but they&#8217;d need a new park. </p>
<p>Montreal, Toronto, Boston and New York all in the same Division.<br />
Nobody would know whether to wear baseball jerseys or hockey sweaters. </p>
<p>Hockey players could teach the ball players how to fight.<br />
 Ball players could teach their hockey brothers how to spit<br />
 sunflower seeds on the ice at critical junctures.<br />
Win-Win.</p>
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