Comments on: So who’s more important: the drug users or the drug dealers? http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/ Baseball. Baseball. And then a bit more baseball. Fri, 24 May 2013 08:03:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: badintent http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433714 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:41:09 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433714 I would hate to think that deer hunters are chopping off antlers to sell the horns for some growth stuff for Ray Lewis/ just saying……………………..

]]> By: gsrider911 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433713 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:41:07 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433713 Oh wait, all of the Nats fans are celebrating the 2013 World Series already.

]]> By: gsrider911 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433712 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:40:10 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433712 I’m wondering why all those annoying, Nattitude-drunk National fans aren’t prematurely coming to Geo the man-child Gonzalez’s defense.
In seeing all of the names associated with the Miami New Times article, Geo’s was the most surprizing to me. The reason that I think that the records that were taken from Biogenesis/Tony Bosch are likely accurate is that ALMOST ALL of these dudes listed (baseball or other) have already either admitted PED use (A-Roid) or have already been suspended for it (Grandal, Melky, Colon and tennis player Odesnik). And **shocker** most of them have ties to the UM baseball team, who apparently feeds their players PEDs as in between inning snacks.

]]> By: badintent http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433710 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 23:38:31 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433710 craig, the anwser to your question is both. Dun ! Winnning ! Tiger Milk !

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]]> By: Old Gator http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433569 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:58:55 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433569 Long since retired, having cashed in their alligator for the meat and skin.

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433493 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:44:17 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433493 Prescribing HGH, IGF-1, or testosterone to enhance sports performance is illegal, which is what this guy appears to have been doing.

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433492 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:42:39 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433492 The physician isn’t breaking the law by prescribing steroids, HGH, or IGF-1; he is breaking the law for prescribing them for uses that that are not FDA approved. Doctors don’t get to make up their own rules about what is good for what, they are limited in what and how much they can dole out and which ailments they can dole it out to treat.

]]> By: paperlions http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433485 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:39:45 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433485 I think more guys have robbed banks with guns than have made $250M playing baseball and using PEDs…so, I don’t think that fact is particularly factual.

]]> By: heyblueyoustink http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433436 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:52:28 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433436 I see you’re on top of your game today, Church, always fun when not on the receiving end of your retorts.

]]> By: APBA Guy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433400 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:21:34 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433400 Where are Crockett and Tubbs when you need them?

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433385 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:12:28 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433385 Here’s a hint, this is a baseball blog. One of the parties plays baseball, the other doesn’t. Which do you think he’d write about?

]]> By: mazblast http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433384 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:12:17 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433384 Pie, if made correctly, which is infrequent. Cake is excellent and more consistent, but good pie…

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433380 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:10:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433380 ugh I should have kept reading as raysfan1 already responded. Oops

]]> By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433379 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:09:51 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433379 Anabolic steroids are illegal to use without a prescription, so the doctor is breaking a federal law giving them to the players. I believe HGH falls under the same category.

]]> By: macjacmccoy http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433375 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:07:54 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433375 We will learn about your priorities too. Seeing that you have only wrote 1 story about the suppliers and around 5 about A Rod.

]]> By: Old Gator http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433342 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:31:53 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433342 Dealers or users? Ach, this has the potential to metastasize into another cake versus pie argument.

- Should I even mention Alice B. Toklas brownies in this context?

– No, Pussy, please don’t….

]]> By: brazcubas http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433339 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:29:03 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433339 Your gun example is a bit misleading. If a gun manufacturer is involved in large-scale illegal arms trafficking, then shutting them down is probably more important than arresting some lowly criminals on gun-related charges.

As always, it all depends on context, if Biogenesis was engaged in prescription fraud, and other illegal activities, then the Feds should go after them, not the users.

]]> By: townballblog http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433325 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:19:31 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433325 Thanks, @raysfan1. If that is the case (assuming the good dr. here is legit) then the DEA, as @Chill1184 mentioned, has no business being involved.

Furthermore, we should be concerned that if nothing illegal was happening and the DEA would investigate a medical facility simply because MLB requested it.

]]> By: unclemosesgreen http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433323 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:18:27 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433323 It really depends on who you’re asking. If you ask a drug dealer, the user is more important, gotta have customers. And a drug user, especially an addict, knows for sure that the dealer is more important.

Wait, is that what you meant?

]]> By: townballblog http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433316 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:15:13 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433316 Sorry chill1184, I couldn’t resist the gun references. I mostly agree with you :)

]]> By: townballblog http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433313 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:13:12 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433313 I know what you said.

“As far as we know the users are all adults and nobody pulled a gun to their heads to force them to buy the product…” I was just playing to your example and I didn’t really have a point.

I jumped the gun without thinking too much about it…it must’ve been triggered your cynicism there at the end.

]]> By: heyblueyoustink http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433309 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:08:49 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433309 If the DEA is involved, they’re after the dealers. Their existence is to find a way, one way or another, to get to ther top of the beast so to speak and cut off it’s head. They may use the users to get to that end, but make no mistake, that’s what they’re gunning or, along with all the assets and monies the seller has.

That point can’t be undersold, the DEA can be very profitable from time to time. And that could be on the books money for on the books things, or off the books money for off the book things.

]]> By: raysfan1 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433302 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:05:02 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433302 @townball–
The short answer to whether the drugs are “banned” by the DEA is no. Very few drugs are completely illegal under the Controlled Substances Act–the ones that are have no legitimate medical use (prime example is heroin). The drugs in question here are legal if prescribed by a licensed medical provider for a legitimate medical reason.

]]> By: chill1184 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433298 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 16:00:58 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433298 The gun example is me demonstrating how absurd is to blame a seller for what a buyer did with said product. I never said PEDs and gun crimes are related.

I also have a problem putting someone in jail for putting a non-government approved substance inside their own body. Theres no point in letting mindless do-gooder politicians handle the punishment process.

]]> By: townballblog http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433296 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:55:04 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433296 It’s easier to use PEDs and make $250 million in 15-20 years than it is to use a gun and rob a bank.

And here is a thought: Perhaps what we need is for PED users to subject government penalties (fines, prison time, etc..) just like folks who use guns to commit crimes.

]]> By: townballblog http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433293 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:51:59 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433293 Important question, Craig: These drugs that are mentioned in the report are banned by MLB. However, are they consider illegal substances by the DEA?

]]> By: chill1184 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433292 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:49:26 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433292 To start off I’m against the drug war in all it’s forms.

The mindless war on drugs started by Nixon has led to nothing but the expansion of government, the militarization of police forces (or as I like to call them government thugs), stealing of people’s property under loosely defined asset forfeiture laws and the general violations of people’s civil liberties.

With that said blaming the drug dealer for what the end user did is akin to blaming the gun manufacture because some nut job went on a killing spree. The dealer only supply’s the product, it’s up to the user on what he or she will do with the damm thing. As far as we know the users are all adults and nobody pulled a gun to their heads to force them to buy the product.

The federal government has no business sticking it’s damm nose in an MLB internal problem. However because as we all know the feds can use the threat of removing MLB’s anti-trust exemption and Selig will do anything if it helps boost his ego and “legacy”. In the end this is going to another mindless media episode which will probably amount to very little if anything.

]]> By: illcomm http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/so-whos-more-important-the-drug-users-or-the-drug-dealers/comment-page-1/#comment-433280 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 15:42:23 +0000 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=294430#comment-433280 why does it matter when hgh has “no” benefit. if you add scientists to the list, then I would say all three are equal in blame. tech it all comes down to the love of money and greed throughtout professional sports.

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