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Stay classy, Rich Gossage

Feb 1, 2013, 10:00 AM EDT

Gossage

It’s a great morning for absurd comps.  A little after reading Mike Lupica compare the MLBPA to “gun nuts” Hall of Famer Goose Gossage compares PED users to double murderers:

“We’ve got a bunch of cheaters that are up for the Hall of Fame … I wish these guys who are lying would come clean. Roger Clemens was found innocent but so was O.J. and he killed two people. Stop lying and quit dragging baseball through the mud.”

Probably worth noting that, unlike Clemens, O.J. Simpson is in the Hall of Fame.

Anyway, glad we’re all keeping perspective here.

  1. historiophiliac - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:05 AM

    Is it “Stay Classy” Day?

    • skids003 - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:12 AM

      Lupica needs Dave Kingman to stuff him back in his locker again.

    • fanofevilempire - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:35 AM

      Goose, I like your bad ass attitude and your game but you need to relax a little.
      Just what we need hall of famers who talk too much. I wish people would stop calling
      Goose and other Hall of Famers because we know what their point of view is.

    • sabatimus - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:58 AM

      Looks that way. It’s important to note here that Gossage stays further classy by not mentioning players from his own era and before: Aaron, Mays, Schmidt: all of whom did uppers to increase their performance. Simply because they weren’t codified in the MLB rules doesn’t mean they didn’t artificially buff themselves up. Why doesn’t he throw them under the bus? Is he afraid to?

  2. fletchgriz - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:06 AM

    OJ did his bad deed after he was elected to the HOF. Clemens did his bad deed before, therefore keeping him out of the HOF. So it’s probably NOT worth noting…

    • kirkvanhouten - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:21 AM

      But Ty Cobb stabbed a black man before he was elected to the Hall….

    • paperlions - Feb 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM

      Clemens action was a victimless crime (assuming he did it). OJ freaking killed two people….but yeah, both at “bad deeds”. That very well may make the HOF of False Equivalencies.

    • omahakidw - Feb 1, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      Your making some sense, but I believe OJ was aquited, and is in the Football Hall of Fame. Clements (who I think belongs no doubt) isn`t in his sports hall of fame. Even though he was aquited of lying to Congress, the facts are just that.

      • jimeejohnson - Feb 1, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        The glove didn’t fit, so they acquit. He was guilty as sin and everybody knows it. Clemens is no murderer, although he tried to kill Mike Piazza.

      • nothanksimdriving123 - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM

        Yes, omaha, Simpson was found not guilty in his criminal trial, then a different jury found him liable for the two victims’ wrongful deaths in a civil trial. He has since been convicted of other crimes and is currently taking his meals in a Nevada prison, but his appeals are ongoing.

      • badintent - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:42 PM

        @nothanksimdriving123
        So are Lohan’s appeals

  3. chacochicken - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:07 AM

    Is it possible that Roger Clemens wife killed Ron and Nicole? Clearly cheating in baseball is tantamount to double homicide.

    • bensdad00 - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

      http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-scores/boxscore.php?boxid=199406130BOS

      Clemens did pitch badly that night in Fenway….tired from a late-night cross country flight?

    • jimeejohnson - Feb 1, 2013 at 7:35 PM

      IIR Chako?

  4. chill1184 - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    LMAO absurd comments are absurd

    • historiophiliac - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      Feel the absurdity and do it anyway. — Albert Camus

      • sabatimus - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM

        Dr. Rieux certainly did. Or perhaps the futility..

      • historiophiliac - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM

        Ah, my favorite!

  5. braddavery - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    Clearly he’s saying that he believes O.J. was guilty and got off anyway, which is what he believes is true of Clemens. He’s clearly NOT saying that Clemens is a double murderer, so in the name of logic and reason, I call shenanigans on this, Craig.

    • alang3131982 - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:31 AM

      but, if OJ is just as guilty as Clemens in Goose’s mind and OJ’s guilt didnt expel him from the HoF, what’s the point? If being guilty in the public doesnt negate someone from being enshrined (or continued to be enshrined), then what does the comparison hold?

      Sure we all think X cheated and X killed someone and X drove drunk, but that has never before prevented someone from being voted into any hall of fame.

      • braddavery - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM

        Ever heard of Shoeless Joe Jackson or Pete Rose.

    • omahakidw - Feb 1, 2013 at 5:22 PM

      OJ never “got off”. He was aquitted of Murder, and if you thought someones was equating the two incidents your dumber than I thought.

      • braddavery - Feb 1, 2013 at 5:43 PM

        Your stellar use of grammar and awesome spelling leads me to believe that you are smarter than I think you very well could be.

    • zacksdad - Feb 1, 2013 at 6:29 PM

      Amazing the reading ability of people. He never stated they were the same. Just that they both got off on the lie and he believes both are guilty. He just wishes the players would fess up and let baseball move on.

  6. amaninwhite - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:30 AM

    Dear Richard: Stop talking and quit dragging the hall of fame deeper into irrelevancy.

  7. heyblueyoustink - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM

    “Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!”

  8. barrywhererufrom - Feb 1, 2013 at 10:57 AM

    Lupica is a piece of excrement..i would take the Goose any day over that weasel. Rich may be over the top comparing PED users to murderers. But Lupica is a liberal weasel who is trying to paint Goosage as a crazed man just because he owns guns. What else is new. Here is a newsflash midget Lupica people have owned guns a long time in America. The majority of these people are law abiding citizens. Gossage is one of the them..

    • indaburg - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:10 AM

      Speaking of absurdity…

      • cur68 - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        Do you ever have one of those conversations where someone comes into the middle of it and completely misconstrues what’s been said leading up to that point? Those are very revealing moments about that person. You can see how their minds work just by sifting through their misunderstanding. However, with a handle like “barrywhereufrom” we already knew a lot about how his mind works, but still its nice to know the ole “weirdo-radar” is working just fine.

      • indaburg - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM

        I didn’t even know where to start with this one. I felt I lost a couple of IQ points after reading what barry wrote.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

      But Lupica is a liberal weasel who is trying to paint Goosage as a crazed man just because he owns guns.

      Time to put down the tin foil. You are combining two separate stories here. Lupica never said anything about Goose…

  9. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:06 AM

    I wonder how many greenies Goose took in his career. For that matter, has he ever passed a drug test?

  10. Chris Fiorentino - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:11 AM

    Once again, I have to ask about why Goose isn’t complaining about an admitted cheater who actually cheated and AFFECTED THE GAME WITH HIS CHEATING…Gaylord Perry. This isn’t a guy who used drugs that “may have” helped him hit a ball farther. This is a man who admits to putting substances on the ball “just about every time he went to the mound”. And it is a known scientific fact that putting substances on the ball will affect the pitch.

    So how about it Mr. Lupica and Mr. Gossage…what about Gaylord Perry?

    • barrywhererufrom - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      You really are going to equate Gaylord Perry to PED users? Dude gamemanship has been apart of baseball forever..let’s throw out whitey ford because he had the catcher cut the ball with his shin guards. How about George Brett and his pine tar use. If you never heard of gamesmanship..you probaly never played baseball..

      • nategearhart - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM

        Hey, you know what’s a synonym for “gamesmanship”? Cheating.

      • fanofevilempire - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM

        can’t a argument be made the baseball never had a steroid stance, therefore no baseball
        rules were broken.
        and when A-Rod used Steroids wasn’t it to do what the Yankees pay him to do, win.
        and win at all cost.
        steroids saved baseball whether history likes it or not.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM

        @fan

        We’ve tried that argument, but people bring up Vincent’s “decree” in ’91 outlawing steroids. Unfortunately no one can say whether that had any affect, considering baseball was/is covered by a CBA so the Commish shouldn’t be able to arbitrarily change the rules at a whim. I’d love a clarification on it.

        @barrywhererufrom

        You really are going to equate Gaylord Perry to PED users?

        Forget other forms of cheating. Gossage played in the 70s and 80s, so most likely he played both with and against amphetamine users. So why didn’t he speak out against them for cheating and using PEDs?

      • cur68 - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:56 AM

        Altering the baseball has been against the rules of baseballs since before you were born, “barry’s dad”. Its one of the oldest rules. Its also clear-cut as to effect. It absolutely confers an unfair advantage to the pitcher, no two ways about it.

        It wouldn’t surprise me if a pitcher admitted that one of the pitches that “got away” from him and hurt a batter was a loaded-up baseball: loading a baseball means you really haven’t got as much confidence as to where its going. Considering that balls can be thrown hard enough to break bones, that’s pretty ‘effin dangerous.

        Somehow, in your mind, and in Gossage’s too I guess, arbitrary advantages that may or may not be conferred by “PEDs” are REALLY BAD but absolute advantages like juicing a ball are not.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:32 PM

        Barry, I simply read the first line from Goose’s idiotic rant and commented on it…

        “We’ve got a bunch of cheaters that are up for the Hall of Fame”

  11. unlost1 - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    What is even more bizarre is Mr. Gossage’s speculating that if he had played during the steroid-era, he “probably would have” used steroids.

  12. datdangdrewdundunituhgin - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:39 AM

    is gamesmanship really any different from the late 80′s / early 90′s steroid users?

    steroids were not tested for, so how exactly are you trying to have one without the other? in fact, there was more enforcement for spitballers & corked bat users than there was for steroid users. both were against the rules and both were cheating, yet only one side comes down as unforgivable.

    MLB has more blame than the players for not testing this shit, yet i don’t hear ANYONE being critical of faye vincent or bart giamatti when it comes to this issue. but sure, lets all blame the guys who were trying to prolong careers and win games.

  13. Gobias Industries - Feb 1, 2013 at 11:55 AM

    Are you claiming that he’s saying steroids=murder? I’m pretty sure that’s not the point he’s (clumsily) trying to make.** He’s just giving an example of how “not guilty” doesn’t necessarily mean “innocent”. But it’s still never a great idea to bring O.J. into any of these discussions.

    **not saying I agree with his point

  14. pinkfloydprism - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    I love how players get elected to the hall of fame, and then believe themselves to be saints of the game.

  15. drewsylvania - Feb 1, 2013 at 12:53 PM

    Dumb as a brick.

    • jimeejohnson - Feb 1, 2013 at 7:40 PM

      You missed the chnace to use the classice “thick as a brick” from Jethro Tull.

      • jimeejohnson - Feb 1, 2013 at 7:42 PM

        chnace = chance classice = classic

        All hail the grammar and spelling police. Whadya mean, “no”?

  16. mybrunoblog - Feb 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Full disclosure: I like Goose Gossage a lot. In other news, I wish Goose along with Mike Schmidt and a few other HOFers would learn how to say “My views on the PED issue have been made clear many times in the past. I have nothing more to say. Thanks”

  17. mkd - Feb 1, 2013 at 2:23 PM

    Is anyone else starting to get the feeling that maybe Gossage was up to something during his playing days. He’s starting to veer into the lady doth protest too much territory…

  18. ezthinking - Feb 1, 2013 at 2:35 PM

    As the saying goes, You can’t put the shit back into the goose.

    This guy’s mouth is diarrhea; it pours out a smelly mess that no one likes, comes out whether you want it to or not, and there is nothing you can really do to repair the situation once its over.

    Someone stuff a cork in this guy before he does even more damage to baseball, not just himself.

  19. florida727 - Feb 1, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Is it that time of year already? You know, the one time every year when Gossage gets his name in print again to satisfy his ego and remind people that he used to be somebody. Guess so…

  20. materialman80 - Feb 1, 2013 at 4:45 PM

    Tell it like it is Goose! You sure don’t see much of that anymore.

  21. stevem7 - Feb 1, 2013 at 5:08 PM

    Gossage ought to learn to SHUT his big fat trap. He really has nothing to say so there is no sense to keep printing the drivel from his mouth.

  22. millybo - Feb 1, 2013 at 6:10 PM

    Why is it that Gossage has such a hardon for Clemens? Goose was borderline at best as a Hall candidate and in my view should not have made it into the hall even if he did not take PEDS and we cannot be sure that he did not. Clemens on the other hand whether he took PEDS or not was clearly Hall worthy. So this is a subject Goose may want to stay quiet on.

  23. millybo - Feb 1, 2013 at 6:20 PM

    As a follow up let me also say that i assume that Goose has some information which he probably ought to have shared with the police and the prosecution in Simpson’s case. He states categorically that OJ killed two persons! The jury in the criminal trial after hearing all the evidence available were not satisfied that he did. In the civil trial where it the standard was less the jury found that he probably did it. It appears however that Goose is among those who are certain that he did it! But then it seems that proof is no longer necessary as accusation = Guilt these days.

  24. louhudson23 - Feb 1, 2013 at 6:28 PM

    I missed the part where he compared PED users to double murderers.I am sure it is because no where in the article does he do so. He does make the statement that an acquittal is not necessarily proof of innocence.He uses OJ Simpson as an example of some one who was acquitted of a heinous crime,while being seen by many as blatantly guilty.So an acquittal for Clemens proves little (to him). As far as idiotic statements go,the repeated attempt to equate amphetamines use with steroid use takes the cake. I am unaware of any discernible performance enhancement which equates with the obliteration of baseballs record book and an alteration in how the game was played,managed or viewed that quite clearly resulted from the widespread use of steroids.

  25. Iraelite - Feb 1, 2013 at 6:41 PM

    I say as long as the stats for the “cheaters” are officially on the book, they should get in to the HOF. If they are not eligible then take the RUNS, HR’s, RBI’s, WINS and ERA’s off the record books. But it doesn’t make sense to officially validate their accomplishments on one hand and then disqualify them for cheating on the other.

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