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	<title>Comments on: Meanwhile, beat writers are demanding that Braun&#8217;s attorneys waive privilege</title>
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		<title>By: nbjays</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TCM, you forgot to use the &quot;Aaron Neville Voice&quot; font for that post  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TCM, you forgot to use the &#8220;Aaron Neville Voice&#8221; font for that post  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: nbjays</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s not lose sight of the fact that, had all the proper procedures in the testing program been followed to the letter, none of us would be discussing this at all.

Why?

Because, had all the proper procedures been stringently followed, nothing would have ever come out about this.  If a player fails a test, then appeals, and that appeal is upheld, the confidentiality rules prohibit any release of information.  Only after a player has admitted to a violation or has appealed and had it denied, should anything be released.

Take a look at the official MLB program here 
http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf  
paying particular attention to sections 6 (Confidentiality) and 8 (Appeals).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not lose sight of the fact that, had all the proper procedures in the testing program been followed to the letter, none of us would be discussing this at all.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because, had all the proper procedures been stringently followed, nothing would have ever come out about this.  If a player fails a test, then appeals, and that appeal is upheld, the confidentiality rules prohibit any release of information.  Only after a player has admitted to a violation or has appealed and had it denied, should anything be released.</p>
<p>Take a look at the official MLB program here<br />
<a href="http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf</a><br />
paying particular attention to sections 6 (Confidentiality) and 8 (Appeals).</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris,
I know you asked cur68 and not me, but let me provide my view anyway. 

You states that there are three possibilities with Braun&#039;s sample from 2011--that he used PEDs, that the excessive testosterone appeared magically, and that the sample was maliciously tainted/he was framed.  I agree with you--those are the possibilities.  The problem is that there should only be two--he did the deed or magic.  Not following the proper procedures is what introduces the third possibility.  All that is required to allow the arbitrator to throw out the sample is the introduction of reasonable doubt.  Magic is not reasonable doubt.  However, it is very easy to obtain urine vials and labels, making forging a sample possible, regardless of how unlikely that might be.  

Now, is him getting off a technicality?  I won&#039;t argue that as I don&#039;t think that&#039;s relevant, and the term has no specific legal definition--meaning we could argue endlessly about what a technicality is and both be &quot;right.&quot;

Does this leave things such that people can think he&#039;s guilty anyway?  Of course.  Even in criminal trials, the verdict for an acquittal is &quot;not guilty&quot; and not &quot;innocent&quot;--meaning anyone can always argue that about every case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
I know you asked cur68 and not me, but let me provide my view anyway. </p>
<p>You states that there are three possibilities with Braun&#8217;s sample from 2011&#8211;that he used PEDs, that the excessive testosterone appeared magically, and that the sample was maliciously tainted/he was framed.  I agree with you&#8211;those are the possibilities.  The problem is that there should only be two&#8211;he did the deed or magic.  Not following the proper procedures is what introduces the third possibility.  All that is required to allow the arbitrator to throw out the sample is the introduction of reasonable doubt.  Magic is not reasonable doubt.  However, it is very easy to obtain urine vials and labels, making forging a sample possible, regardless of how unlikely that might be.  </p>
<p>Now, is him getting off a technicality?  I won&#8217;t argue that as I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s relevant, and the term has no specific legal definition&#8211;meaning we could argue endlessly about what a technicality is and both be &#8220;right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does this leave things such that people can think he&#8217;s guilty anyway?  Of course.  Even in criminal trials, the verdict for an acquittal is &#8220;not guilty&#8221; and not &#8220;innocent&#8221;&#8211;meaning anyone can always argue that about every case.</p>
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		<title>By: Minoring In Baseball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minoring In Baseball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 02:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s great that the beat writers have the kind of power to demand things like this. Nothing&#039;s been proven, so leave it alone. If facts come to light, then procede from there. There has to be more positive baseball stories out there for them to report on.
-Mike
http://minoringinbaseball.com/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s great that the beat writers have the kind of power to demand things like this. Nothing&#8217;s been proven, so leave it alone. If facts come to light, then procede from there. There has to be more positive baseball stories out there for them to report on.<br />
-Mike<br />
<a href="http://minoringinbaseball.com/" rel="nofollow">http://minoringinbaseball.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shzastl</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 00:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If Bosch was a consultant — and one of Braun’s attorneys did admit that he spoke with Bosch, even if he said Bosch’s help was &#039;negligible&#039; — the communications between them are protected by the attorney-client privilege and by the work product privilege.&quot;

The reporter didn&#039;t suggest that the substance of any &quot;communications&quot; be disclosed, merely records corroborating the fact that Bosch was retained. To the extent the identity of Braun&#039;s consultants was privileged, he waived such privilege by already disclosing it himself. Therefore, the lawyer would not be revealing any privileged information by merely confirming what his client has already voluntarily disclosed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Bosch was a consultant — and one of Braun’s attorneys did admit that he spoke with Bosch, even if he said Bosch’s help was &#8216;negligible&#8217; — the communications between them are protected by the attorney-client privilege and by the work product privilege.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reporter didn&#8217;t suggest that the substance of any &#8220;communications&#8221; be disclosed, merely records corroborating the fact that Bosch was retained. To the extent the identity of Braun&#8217;s consultants was privileged, he waived such privilege by already disclosing it himself. Therefore, the lawyer would not be revealing any privileged information by merely confirming what his client has already voluntarily disclosed.</p>
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		<title>By: ltzep75</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 23:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I the only one who wants to see Gator pull a little Socratic Method on a room full of spor....spawrtsrighters?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who wants to see Gator pull a little Socratic Method on a room full of spor&#8230;.spawrtsrighters?</p>
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		<title>By: freddieoh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hancock concisely wins today&#039;s ad hominem award!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hancock concisely wins today&#8217;s ad hominem award!</p>
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		<title>By: freddieoh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see training a porpoise to click and wheee and zzzzzrrrrrtttttttt in a syntactically consistent manner. I can see training a flatworm to retreat from a flashing light. I can see teaching a chimpanzee sign language. I can see teaching a pet octopus to distinguish between visual symbols on a pull-cord to feed itself some shrimp. I myself have taught an indigo snake to sit up and beg for a piece of  calve&#039;s liver. All of this has been tested and proven. 

However, I can&#039;t imagine anything as futile as trying to explain legal technicalities - or why the &lt;i&gt;entire&lt;/i&gt; body of jurisprudence from Mesopotamia onward - consists of nothing &lt;i&gt;but&lt;/i&gt; &quot;technicalities&quot; to anything with a cerebral cortex as atrophied as a spawrtsrighter&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see training a porpoise to click and wheee and zzzzzrrrrrtttttttt in a syntactically consistent manner. I can see training a flatworm to retreat from a flashing light. I can see teaching a chimpanzee sign language. I can see teaching a pet octopus to distinguish between visual symbols on a pull-cord to feed itself some shrimp. I myself have taught an indigo snake to sit up and beg for a piece of  calve&#8217;s liver. All of this has been tested and proven. </p>
<p>However, I can&#8217;t imagine anything as futile as trying to explain legal technicalities &#8211; or why the <i>entire</i> body of jurisprudence from Mesopotamia onward &#8211; consists of nothing <i>but</i> &#8220;technicalities&#8221; to anything with a cerebral cortex as atrophied as a spawrtsrighter&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, no, &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; explain your post a little bit. Your initial comments were quite stupid enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, <i>don&#8217;t</i> explain your post a little bit. Your initial comments were quite stupid enough.</p>
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		<title>By: chadjones27</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The elementary school in Kenya?]]></description>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sports writers are not doctors either, and yet almost everything you think you know about PEDs probably came from a sports writer, and what sports writers commonly write about PEDs is almost all incorrect....and easily verifiably incorrect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sports writers are not doctors either, and yet almost everything you think you know about PEDs probably came from a sports writer, and what sports writers commonly write about PEDs is almost all incorrect&#8230;.and easily verifiably incorrect.</p>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paperlions]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The PED era actually started in the 1800s and there is no evidence that it ever took a holiday.  What we are in now can more accurately be called the PED outrage era, every baseball era has featured players taking something in an attempt to enhance performance, and steroids have been used by baseball players since at least the 1960s (probably the 1950s).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PED era actually started in the 1800s and there is no evidence that it ever took a holiday.  What we are in now can more accurately be called the PED outrage era, every baseball era has featured players taking something in an attempt to enhance performance, and steroids have been used by baseball players since at least the 1960s (probably the 1950s).</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PEDs have been in the game since the 60s, possibly the 50s.  What makes you think after almost sixty years of use they would every be out of the game?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PEDs have been in the game since the 60s, possibly the 50s.  What makes you think after almost sixty years of use they would every be out of the game?</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: paperlions</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I HAVE NOT BEEN RANTING!

Okay, maybe a little.  But really, if you care at all about an issue, it doesn&#039;t take that much effort to track down actual information on which to base an opinion....though you do have to be careful with regard to the sources of that information, especially if you are trying to understand in layman&#039;s terms, as there is a lot of disinformation available from people trying to convince you to buy something.

For a group of sports writers and the resources they have available, their complete lack of fact checking is disturbing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE NOT BEEN RANTING!</p>
<p>Okay, maybe a little.  But really, if you care at all about an issue, it doesn&#8217;t take that much effort to track down actual information on which to base an opinion&#8230;.though you do have to be careful with regard to the sources of that information, especially if you are trying to understand in layman&#8217;s terms, as there is a lot of disinformation available from people trying to convince you to buy something.</p>
<p>For a group of sports writers and the resources they have available, their complete lack of fact checking is disturbing.</p>
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		<title>By: sdelmonte</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as that rotation stays healthy, I think we can expect at least what we saw last season.

Also, 18 games against the Marlins will help.  But we&#039;ll miss the 12 games against the Astros.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as that rotation stays healthy, I think we can expect at least what we saw last season.</p>
<p>Also, 18 games against the Marlins will help.  But we&#8217;ll miss the 12 games against the Astros.</p>
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		<title>By: Sign Ahead</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure that &quot;straw man argument&quot; means what you think it means. Could you explain your post a little bit more?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that &#8220;straw man argument&#8221; means what you think it means. Could you explain your post a little bit more?</p>
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		<title>By: Gobias Industries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gobias Industries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are his credentials? I’m afraid I’m going to have to see his resume before I’m permitted to consider his opinion. Has he ever litigated or consulted a day in his life?? Does he know the first thing about the law in these kinds of cases??

Oh wait, I already did this today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are his credentials? I’m afraid I’m going to have to see his resume before I’m permitted to consider his opinion. Has he ever litigated or consulted a day in his life?? Does he know the first thing about the law in these kinds of cases??</p>
<p>Oh wait, I already did this today.</p>
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		<title>By: wlubake</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is stupid. The cited article is probably poorly written for not making it clear that Braun, through his attorneys, should clear his name by releasing records.

Lawyers do very little in a legal sense. Their clients act through them. So yes, Braun would have to consent.

What a waste of a blog post.

If Braun wants to clear his name, he can release the type of records discussed. If he doesn&#039;t feel he needs to, baseball writers are free to speculate on the reasoning for such decision. He can live with being dubbed a suspected PED user.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is stupid. The cited article is probably poorly written for not making it clear that Braun, through his attorneys, should clear his name by releasing records.</p>
<p>Lawyers do very little in a legal sense. Their clients act through them. So yes, Braun would have to consent.</p>
<p>What a waste of a blog post.</p>
<p>If Braun wants to clear his name, he can release the type of records discussed. If he doesn&#8217;t feel he needs to, baseball writers are free to speculate on the reasoning for such decision. He can live with being dubbed a suspected PED user.</p>
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		<title>By: stercuilus65</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once again Craig rallies to the defense of a roider with a particularly weak straw man argument.]]></description>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[State the law accurately, please.  I&#039;m curious.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State the law accurately, please.  I&#8217;m curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks cur.  I disagree, but respect your view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks cur.  I disagree, but respect your view.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nategearhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If every person of interest had to placate every jackass that wanted to know everything interesting about them, Donald Trump would be holding Barack Obama&#039;s elementary school transcript in his hand right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If every person of interest had to placate every jackass that wanted to know everything interesting about them, Donald Trump would be holding Barack Obama&#8217;s elementary school transcript in his hand right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Hancock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Instead of writing why don&#039;t you go back into law and offer your services defending PED users in MLB pro bono? Seeing as how that&#039;s what you&#039;re already doing on a daily basis here at HBT...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of writing why don&#8217;t you go back into law and offer your services defending PED users in MLB pro bono? Seeing as how that&#8217;s what you&#8217;re already doing on a daily basis here at HBT&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gobias Industries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gobias Industries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey now, he didn&#039;t say a 50-55 win team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey now, he didn&#8217;t say a 50-55 win team.</p>
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		<title>By: bh192012</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bh192012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ridiculous!  Bosch isn&#039;t even a doctor, what possible worth could he be in that kind of case?  A freaking anti-aging non-doctor.

&quot;Your honor, I&#039;d like to call a quack fake doctor malpractice waiting to happen, who&#039;s some kind of underground expert on testosterone.&quot;

....... right, lets get that guy involved in our PED case.  And on top of that pay him any amount of money.  Sorry but that excuse is ####### preposterous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridiculous!  Bosch isn&#8217;t even a doctor, what possible worth could he be in that kind of case?  A freaking anti-aging non-doctor.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your honor, I&#8217;d like to call a quack fake doctor malpractice waiting to happen, who&#8217;s some kind of underground expert on testosterone.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;. right, lets get that guy involved in our PED case.  And on top of that pay him any amount of money.  Sorry but that excuse is ####### preposterous.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris: I&#039;m supposed to have an opinion without access to the facts? Boy, that&#039;s asking a lot. 

Look at it this way: I don&#039;t know who did what after Braun pissed in that cup and I don&#039;t know what happened then with the MVPP. Those facts were never made public by a named, impartial and reputable source. If you don&#039;t know what the chain of custody was, and the guy who DOES know that stuff decided that it was handled improperly, why would you go around placing all or any of your faith in those tests?

Now, if I HAD the facts and had the Arbiter&#039;s line of reasoning, then yeah, I&#039;d make with an opinion. BUT absent the establishment of a clear and proper chain of custody, the tests are immaterial. Without the Arbiter&#039;s report, I&#039;m forced to go with the Arbiter&#039;s view of the evidence. He had the facts, we do not. He ruled the tests inadmissible as evidence of guilt. Once again, The End.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: I&#8217;m supposed to have an opinion without access to the facts? Boy, that&#8217;s asking a lot. </p>
<p>Look at it this way: I don&#8217;t know who did what after Braun pissed in that cup and I don&#8217;t know what happened then with the MVPP. Those facts were never made public by a named, impartial and reputable source. If you don&#8217;t know what the chain of custody was, and the guy who DOES know that stuff decided that it was handled improperly, why would you go around placing all or any of your faith in those tests?</p>
<p>Now, if I HAD the facts and had the Arbiter&#8217;s line of reasoning, then yeah, I&#8217;d make with an opinion. BUT absent the establishment of a clear and proper chain of custody, the tests are immaterial. Without the Arbiter&#8217;s report, I&#8217;m forced to go with the Arbiter&#8217;s view of the evidence. He had the facts, we do not. He ruled the tests inadmissible as evidence of guilt. Once again, The End.</p>
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		<title>By: mdpickles</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mdpickles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am overwhelmed with disappointment with baseball right now. Was hoping this PED era was coming to an end, but ballplayers will never stay away from trying to cheat using PED&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am overwhelmed with disappointment with baseball right now. Was hoping this PED era was coming to an end, but ballplayers will never stay away from trying to cheat using PED&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 18:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Chris--
I know you asked cur68 and not me but let me try to answer anyway.  You have only my word that I have been very involved with drug testing for many years in my medical practice as my bona fides, so take it for what you will.

You say the possibilities for Braun&#039;s sample in 2011 were that he took the stuff, that it magically appeared in the sealed urine sample, or that it was tainted/he was framed.  I agree with your assessment.  Those are the possibilities.  The problem is that they should not be the possibilities.  We can safely exclude magic, but when proper handling and chain of custody procedures are not followed, it introduces the tainting possibility.  Samples can theoretically be switched and relabeled, for example, obviating the need to tamper with the original specimen.  I am not saying that happened, but for legal issues of guilt/innocence all that is required is the introduction of reasonable doubt.  Failing to follow procedures introduced that doubt, so Braun won his appeal before the arbitrator.  If procedure had been followed, there would have only been two possibilities: he did it or the excessive testosterone appeared by magic.  

Now, you can call that a technicality, and I won&#039;t argue about it.  I don&#039;t think that technicality is actually a legal term anyway, so such an argument would just be over how to define the term.  Either way, the procedural screw up means it&#039;s pointless to rehash what Braun may or may not have done.  His slate remains clean until there is proof of some new infraction.  His name showing up in Bosch&#039;s records is not proof.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris&#8211;<br />
I know you asked cur68 and not me but let me try to answer anyway.  You have only my word that I have been very involved with drug testing for many years in my medical practice as my bona fides, so take it for what you will.</p>
<p>You say the possibilities for Braun&#8217;s sample in 2011 were that he took the stuff, that it magically appeared in the sealed urine sample, or that it was tainted/he was framed.  I agree with your assessment.  Those are the possibilities.  The problem is that they should not be the possibilities.  We can safely exclude magic, but when proper handling and chain of custody procedures are not followed, it introduces the tainting possibility.  Samples can theoretically be switched and relabeled, for example, obviating the need to tamper with the original specimen.  I am not saying that happened, but for legal issues of guilt/innocence all that is required is the introduction of reasonable doubt.  Failing to follow procedures introduced that doubt, so Braun won his appeal before the arbitrator.  If procedure had been followed, there would have only been two possibilities: he did it or the excessive testosterone appeared by magic.  </p>
<p>Now, you can call that a technicality, and I won&#8217;t argue about it.  I don&#8217;t think that technicality is actually a legal term anyway, so such an argument would just be over how to define the term.  Either way, the procedural screw up means it&#8217;s pointless to rehash what Braun may or may not have done.  His slate remains clean until there is proof of some new infraction.  His name showing up in Bosch&#8217;s records is not proof.</p>
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