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Felix Hernandez, Mariners on verge of a $175 million contract extension

Feb 7, 2013, 2:31 PM EDT

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Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that Felix Hernandez and the Mariners have agreed to a seven-year, $175 million contract extension.  The contract will make him the highest paid pitcher in baseball history, both in overall contract and in average annual value.

The Mariners will tear up his current deal, which was to pay him $19.5 million this year, and replace it with the new one. It will pay him, on average, $25 million a year through 2019. It’s not known yet if the contract amount increases over time or if it’s a flat $25 million a year.

Hernandez is 98-76 with a 3.22 ERA and 1,487 strikeouts and 480 walks in 1620.1 innings across eight seasons.  But of course, he still doesn’t turn 27 until April.  This deal, therefore, only take him into his age 34 season.  If he holds up physically, he may get another sizable deal before he’s through.

  1. chill1184 - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Its good to be the King

    • fanofevilempire - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

      King of Seattle…………..

  2. benihanagt - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Red Sox, Yankees, he’s ours, deal with it.

    • uyf1950 - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

      My friend he’s been yours for the last 7 or 8 years and what has that gotten the Mariners? Never mind I’ll answer that for you. Never very much. As Chris said below, welcome to mediocrity, Mariners.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM

        Yes, because one player really is the key to everything in a 9 position team. And letting him walk would *totally* improve the club.

        Yankess fans are so delusional.

      • cackalackyank - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:20 PM

        No delusion here. ..and I can’t believe I am going to defend…the RED SOX in making my case…..but in the 8 seasons past the Red Sox and the Yankees have won 3 World Championships, and at least one if not both of those teams has made the playoffs each of those years. How many Championships and Playoff appearances do the Mariners have in that time? Oh that’s right. ZERO.

      • paperlions - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

        In the past 8 seasons the RS and Yankees have only won 2 titles, 2004 was 9 seasons ago….but the point is simple, fans of every team are tired of Yankee fans stating that their young star player will be a Yankee eventually as if having the best players is some kind of right.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

        cackalackyank – What does that have to do with how smart it is to lock up one of the best four pitchers in baseball for seven years in their age 26 season?

      • uyf1950 - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM

        Gentlemen, nowhere and I mean nowhere did I say in my comment that I wanted him for the Yankees. Speaking for myself I am not delusional about the Yankees ability to sign every possible “elite” FA. If you ask me it’s that most of you are paranoid about the Yankees and we fans.

        If you ask me the only one’s delusional here are those fans that expect the Mariners in the foreseeable future to be anything more then what they have been and currently are. That’s Mediocre.

        I have no doubt that paranoia will shift from the Yankees to the Dodgers soon.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:55 PM

        Why would you think the M’s have no hope for the future? Isn’t the primary key to success in baseball a strong farm system and retaining key talent? Given that the M’s have gone from the 30th ranked farm system in 2008 to the 9th best farm system in 2013, and given that they just demonstrated that they are willing to pay to keep their top talent, why would you not expect ongoing improvement for the team?

        The only thing remaining to be proven is that as they improve will they add the key pieces in free agency that they will need as some of their hoard of prospects surely will not pan out.

        They are following the textbook model for how to rebuild a franchise intelligently.

      • camacho2016 - Feb 7, 2013 at 5:55 PM

        @uyf1950 Delusion is believing the shift from people fearing the Dodgers more than the Yankees hasn’t happened yet

    • crispybasil - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

      This will not stop Red Sox fans from proposing terrible trade offers.

    • fanofevilempire - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM

      Dude, based on what the Seattle Mariners are as
      an org. and Team, King will have to deal with it.
      Yankees collect Tiffany made World Series Trophies.

      • cackalackyank - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:23 PM

        I hate to point this out, but it goes to reinforce your point about the Mariners. In the time frame in question the Red Sox actually collected 2 of those trophies, too. Seattle has not even sniffed the playoffs.

    • djpostl - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:21 PM

      Like that is going to change your fortunes lol.

    • cackalackyank - Feb 7, 2013 at 6:12 PM

      @ paperlions sorry for the math mistake, but never did I say in my comments that I wanted Felix to be a Yankee. In fact this contract may very well go down as doing for the Mariners what A-rods contracts did first for Texas (notice how they became a contender after they got rid of the 25 million a year load?), and now the Yankees. @ Reflex It makes perfect sense that you don’t get it. The idea of baseball is not to play keep away as far as I know…I heard a rumor that the idea of baseball, as a game, is to contend for, and eventually WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Spending 20-25% of your payroll on a guy that will only help your team every 4-5 days will not accomplish that. Again, not a delusion..just a fact.

  3. Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:39 PM

    More than 25% of their team payroll going to one player over the next 7 years? Welcome to 7 more years of mediocrity, Mariners.

    • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

      The M’s payroll is well below their historical norms. Bavasi used to toss big money contracts out regardless of whether it made sense just to have the payroll where he liked it. JackZ has ended that. He still has the same ceilings Bavasi had, but he isn’t wasting money in the meantime until the young core is old enough to contend.

      Should the farm system start paying off over the next two years as expected, Jack will be free to boost the payroll into the $120 million range, possibly more as the current tv deal expires after 2014 which means a potentially huge payday.

      Given Felix’s age, he stands a very good chance of being the ace of a very competitive and wealthy ballclub by 2015.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        Define “Historical”. If that means that 2 years of the previous 10 where this wouldn’t be over 25% of the payroll, then you are 100% correct. Bad deal for Seattle if they want to win. Good deal if they want to keep Felix. Period.

        Seattle’s payroll the last 11 years…
        2012: $ 84,928,100
        2011: $ 94,623,191
        2010: $ 91,143,333
        2009: $ 98,904,166
        2008: $117,666,482
        2007: $106,460,833
        2006: $ 87,959,833
        2005: $ 87,754,334
        2004: $ 81,515,834
        2003: $ 86,959,167
        2002: $ 80,282,668
        2001: $ 74,720,833
        2000: $ 59,200,000

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:51 PM

        1) Adjust for inflation
        2) As I said, they have played with around a $120 million ceiling, which your list demonstrates
        3) If you were local you’d have read some of the analysis of the M’s which generally came to the conclusion that the M’s were a top 5 franchise in revenues and profits for the past decade
        4) As I pointed out, new tv deal coming. Bothered to pay attention to what those mean in a while?

        And finally, can you point to what pitcher could possibly replace Felix as a staff ace who would not cost basically the same? I come up with only Kershaw, Price or Verlander. A true ace is not cheap. If the M’s do make the playoffs, having Felix ready to go three times in a seven game set virtually guarantees them the series.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

        Reflex, what if the mariners don’t get the windfall the Dodgers and some others have received? And where does my list demonstrate a $120 million payroll ceiling? It is my opinion that teams like the Mariners can not afford to pay one player $175 million over 7 years. You disagree, that’s cool. But even if their payroll hits $125 million, they are still paying one player a fifth of their total payroll.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

        Player salaries are not calculated based on total payroll. That is an exercise fans and the press like to make but it is irrelevent to a baseball front office. Player salaries are based on profits the player brings in. Felix will bring in substantially more than $25 million worth of value to the M’s, which is why they pay him that. Hell, Ichiro was overpaid for much of his time here, but he was worth so much to the team it was irrelevent(he single-handedly made the M’s the only team that competes with the Yankees for fans in Japan). At the end of the day, signing Felix is a *money making* move for the Mariners, which is the only metric that matters to a business.

        How much of the payroll his salary represents is an exercise fans and media who do not understand business like to engage in.

      • xavier46 - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM

        Virtual guarantees mean nothing!
        2011 Red Sox?

        “M’s were a top 5 franchise in revenues and profits for the past decade”
        Then you need to be pissed with ownership for their anemic payroll considering those numbers! That fan base is getting fleeced! Does Nutting own the m’s as well?

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM

        Lots of people here are indeed pissed with the M’s. The ownership group has a bad habit of sticking with bad management for far too long. The ownership group is mostly composed of Nintendo and its CEO, and they are *very* conservative. Bavasi gutted the organization for four years and only now is it finally showing signs of real recovery.

        Lots of money spent stupidly leaves you with the Mets. I’m happy they are trying to spend it wisely instead. All the money not spent on guys who weren’t going to take them over the top is part of why they can afford to give Felix what they did now.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:12 PM

        ” Player salaries are based on profits the player brings in. Felix will bring in substantially more than $25 million worth of value to the M’s, which is why they pay him that. ”

        Reflex, if this is true, then you must have missed the Ryan Howard contract saga because he was paid based on his value to the team and not on the field, and yet his contract was called “the worst in history” by people like Saint Keith Law. Who had nothing to say about the Longoria contract, which was about 4 years early. And who will probably not have much to say about this one either.

        Either way, the Phillies, unlike the Rays and Mariners, had the payroll flexibility to make a mistake with Howard. The Mariners just gave their $25 million contract. That’s it. He better be in the top 3 for the next 7 years, or they are guaranteed to be mediocre. Shoot, he’s been top 3 for the last few years and they have been mediocre.

      • uyf1950 - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        Feflex, you can adjust for inflation all you want none of the salaries Chris listed come close to $120MM except obviously 2007 and 2008. Most fall well short of $100MM factoring in inflation. Only a couple fall between $100 and $105MM.

        As for their TV deal coming due after the 2014 season. What makes local sports TV valuable I would think to a company like FOX or Time Warner is: 1) Is the team successful? and 2) Do a lot of fans turn out for their games, basically do they have a huge fan base? As best I can tell the answers to those 2 questions from the numbers is: NO. Attendance at their ballpark hovers between 50 & 60% over the last several years and obviously the teams on field success speaks for itself.

        So while I’m sure they will get a bump up in TV revenue when their current contract expires I would seriously doubt it will be anywhere near a Rangers like TV deal.

      • fanofevilempire - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM

        too bad it’s 2013 season

      • uyf1950 - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        BTW, here is an inflation adjustment calculator link:

        http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:02 PM

        Chris – I get it that the Howard contract was terrible and you are still upset about that fact. But do you have to try to make every single signing about your own teams collosal mistake? Yes, Amaro made a huge mistake. But at the end of the day, Felix is younger and *far* more valuable to the M’s than Howard ever, EVER was to the Phils. Even if he’d continued playing at the level he did when it was signed it was a massive, massive overpay. I’m sorry that you are still hurt over that, but it has zero relevence to whether or not its worth paying $25 million to arguably the best pitcher in baseball in his *age 26* season.

        ufy – You just conceded that the M’s do appear to have a $120 million payroll limit since they have actually had salaries around that level twice before. The team president and GM have repeatedly said on local radio that that is the payroll maximum, for most of the past several years. They have also said they would ignore that max for specific players and not count them against it(in the past that was Ichiro, now its likely Felix). The difference between the Bavasi era and the JackZ era is that Jack refuses to spend the money just because its available, and instead banks it for later deals when the team is on the verge of contention. Which is smart, something Bavasi was not.

        Also, I see little reason to assume that the M’s won’t follow the same trajectory others have for their tv deal, although obviously on a lower scale than teams in the NY/LA/Chicago markets. Dallas is a larger market than Seattle, so I am sure it won’t be the size of the Rangers deal either. But that still leaves a lot of room for a huge hike. The M’s are not part owned by any media conglomerates like the Braves, so there is no reason for any sweetheart deals. Furthermore, FSN losing the Dodgers leaves them in a more desperate position, it would not suprise me to see them up offers to other teams in order to retain as much rights as they can.

      • uyf1950 - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        Reflex, actually what I have conceded is that the Mariners have on 2 occasions had a payroll around $120MM and in virtually all the other occasions listed in Chris’s example their limit factoring in inflation seemed to be just about $100MM +/- a little. It’s just my opinion but I think the more reasonable conclusion to draw is that baring something unforeseen like a substantial influx of revenue the Mariners appear to want to limit themselves to about $100MM payroll not $120MM. But that’s just my opinion based on what I gather from the available information. Others are obviously free to disagree.

      • kiwicricket - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM

        The Card’s have done pretty well with Holliday representing a significant percentage of their total payroll? They were more than keen to make it 45% between Pujols and Holliday.
        I get the one dimensional over-rated type sucking up too much of the budget is a hindrance, but not so sure you can put one of the best pitchers in the game in that category.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM

        Reflex, I don’t know why you take things so personal but I’m sorry if I offended you. You said this exact quote…

        ” Player salaries are based on profits the player brings in. Felix will bring in substantially more than $25 million worth of value to the M’s, which is why they pay him that. ”

        My bringing up Ryan Howard’s contract wasn’t just out of thin air. It was to respond to your statement above. Ryan Howard was signed for the same reason. He brought in far more money to the Phillies than Felix did throwing every fifth day. Ryan Howard basically is the reason CBP sold out three years in a row. And his injury is the reason it stopped selling out. He is overpaid, but LIKE YOU SAID, he brings money to the Phillies far more than his worth on the field. Which was a concept guys like Keith Law never understood.

        But again, The Mariners spend half the money the Phillies do. They can’t afford this contract. In my opinion. No offense dude.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM

        I’m not offended, I just can’t understand why in your mind every single player signing justifies Howard’s terrible contract. Every single one you somehow bring back to that deal. Its got nothing to do with it.

        You are correct that yes, they likely considered the financial return an additional five years of Howard would bring. Unfortunatly for them, they were dead wrong. He has returned little of that value. Either on the field or off it. And people pointed out ahead of time that he would not be, that he was old for that kind of deal, and that even in his prime he was not as valuable on the field as others who would be available by the time of his extension.

        Your statement about people coming to the game for Howard is itself ludicrous. The reason people stopped coming to the park is that the team is bad. No other reason. When the team is good they will show up, when the team is bad they will not. It really is that simple. In the case of King Felix, however, attendance is measureably higher when he is on the mound. Over the past couple years he has often been the only reason to go to a game outside of just wanting to see a game. As the team improves, that effect will likely be magnified.

        As for your statements on payroll sustainability, the Phils did not become big spenders until a few years ago when the pieces came together that permitted them to become competitive in thier division. Would you have looked at them then and said they could not afford to sign Cliff Lee or extend Roy Halladay or Chase Utley because “based on their payroll over the past few years they can’t afford these guys”? Wins tend to bring in more fans, increase merchandise sales and if timed right, increase the size of tv deals. All those things can lead to higher payroll. The Phils payroll went up as the team performance increased and their young players became vets and got into free agency, and will likely decrease over time as the vets age and they need a new crop of younger players to replace them(who, incidentially, will come far cheaper than the vets they replace).

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM

        Reflex, you can call it ludicrous but trust me…the guy who hit 200 bombs brought people to the park nightly. The same way your boy brought people to the park every fifth day. You don’t have to believe me but that’s not opinion. I hope your Mariners can contend. But they haven’t with Felix all these years. Best thing they could have done was traded him for a shitload of cheaper prospects and hope one or two become the next Felix. Frankly I’m shocked Jack Z didn’t do this considering how savvy he usually is.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 8:35 PM

        Lots of teams have a single big slugger and low attendance. Every study ever done has demonstrated that fan attendance is tied most closely to team performance. Phils attendance ties very closely to team performance. You can believe whatever you want, but I’m going to need some evidence.

        Secondly, which team has a farm system that can possibly produce enough prospects to be worth Felix? Seriously, who? Especially given that whoever gets Felix also would have inherited a $20m/year obligation. Give me a single farm system where even the top five players are worth Felix.

        The M’s cannot do better externally than internally. Furthermore they are one of the wealtheir franchises who repeatedly has spent when they felt they were close to contention, and stated repeatedly that they will continue to spend when they feel its warranted. They do not have a serious payroll cap.

      • ndepratt - Feb 7, 2013 at 9:09 PM

        Perhaps the Mariners signing Felix will bring in $25 million in revenue each year… But I think the bigger question is how pissed would the fan base have been, and how much would money would they have lost, if they didn’t open the vault door to King Felix. From what I’ve read about Seattle sports they’re quite touchy when it comes to losing their stars (and even teams) since it seems everyone always leaves Seattle.

        The mariners really had one thing going for them: King Felix. I think a Ryan Howard motivation in a signing like this seems valid… But King Felix much more. I know he only pitches every fifth day but I doubt the other days of the week people who have bothered showing up if he were to leave at any point.

      • jwbiii - Feb 7, 2013 at 10:03 PM

        uyf: Inflation in baseball is different than inflation in the real world. If you adjust Chris Fiorentino’s listed salaries for MLB revenue per team (from bizofbaseball.com), you get:
        2012: 84,928,100
        2011: 101,381,990
        2010: 97,653,571
        2009: 112,391,098
        2008: 135,769,018
        2007: 130,894,467
        2006: 117,803,348
        2005: 131,631,501
        2004: 135,859,723
        2003: 167,229,167
        2002: 167,255,558
        2001: 151,461,148
        2000: 130,588,235

  4. darthicarus - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

    So Verlander is going to command greater than $25 million per season….woah boy.

    • chill1184 - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

      Not only Verlander, there is also the contract that Kershaw is going to command.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:50 PM

        But Verlander is on a team that has spent $130 million or more in 3 of the last 5 years. Kershaw is on the 7 billion dollar team. Unless Seattle gets lucky with a big TV deal in 2014, which is iffy, they will on the hook for 25% of their team payroll with one guy. It’s a bad deal for them any way you look at it except to keep Felix. And if that’s their goal, then congrats Mariners.

      • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

        While I don’t expect the M’s to get a deal like the Dodgers or Angels did, they are one of the larger media markets in the nation(ranked anywhere from 9-14th depending on the ranking system, and not all those have a team). There is little reason to doubt they will end up with a deal in the upper eschelon of teams. I suppose they could fail to do so, but it seems doubtful unless the entire market for sports deals collapses over the next two years.

    • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:44 PM

      I expect it’ll be about the same. Its tough to say who is better, Verlander, Felix or Price, but those are the best three pitchers in the league. Expanding to include the NL I would probably only add Kershaw to that list. Verlander is also 29, Felix is only 26, so Verlander’s value will also be depressed by his higher age.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM

      It’s good to be V.

    • cackalackyank - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      Verlander is older than Felix, so probably not, unless they front load the deal.

  5. cosanostra71 - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

    Not a bad deal for Felix. Mariner had to keep him locked up, you don’t let a 26 year old future Hall of Famer walk.

  6. Old Gator - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Great! Seven more years of arguing that wins aren’t really important anyway.

    • Chris Fiorentino - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM

      So true…now they definitely won’t have the money to pay for anybody that can hit the ball.

  7. Ben - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

    Man, if he’s worth 175 mil (and he is, obviously), what’s Kershaw going to be worth in a couple years?

    • Old Gator - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:54 PM

      Most fiddle players I know command a ten dollar a head cover charge and a two drink minimum.

  8. nagrommit - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Let’s hope there’s no Larry Bernandez in the Biogenesis notebook.

    • Old Gator - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM

      I suspect that the Biogenesis notebook is really a deeply encoded edition of the Necronomicon. What else could account for how it didn’t exist one moment, and then seemed to be everywhere at once? Yog Sothoth!

  9. zidanevalor - Feb 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    The Mariners can opt out of their TV contract with FSN Northwest in 2015. Locking up King Felix for 5 years past that is a great way to gain leverage for a new deal.

  10. Detroit Michael - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM

    This is a big mistake (although of course most of the huge contracts to pitchers are).

    In general, starting pitchers who carry a full workload in the majors at an early age don’t age well.

    According to Baseball Info Solutions data reported at Fangraphs, Felix Hernandez’ age and fastball velocity have been:
    19 – 95.8 mph
    20 – 95.2
    21 – 95.6
    22 – 94.6
    23 – 94.0
    24 – 94.1
    25 – 93.3
    26 – 92.1

    Sure, he’s been able to pitch well so far despite the velocity loss and yes, velocity tends to peak at age 22 or so on average, but that’s still a pretty alarming trend projected out for the next 7 years at $25M per season.

    • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

      In other words he’s gone from a ‘thrower’ to a ‘pitcher’. Look at his peripherals. He’s gotten better in the past four years vs his first four years.

    • Detroit Michael - Feb 7, 2013 at 7:41 PM

      On average, if one loses 1 mph of fastball velocity, ERA climbs 0.25. If his speed continues to decline, it’ll be a problem.

      • Reflex - Feb 8, 2013 at 1:49 PM

        While I agree with the premise, I have difficulty seeing Felix at age 36 throwing 82mph “Moyer Heat”. ;)

      • Detroit Michael - Feb 9, 2013 at 2:22 PM

        Frank Tanana says hello. It can happen.

  11. novanation33 - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    So he’s basically got a 9-year $215 million contract.

    I would never give a pitcher that type of money.

    • hansob - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      7/175 replaces 2/40. So it’s not 9/215…. it’s just the 7/175.

  12. Detroit Michael - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

    Another point: Given that Hernandez is already under contract at $39M/2 years, even if assume that all of the $39M is salary to be paid and not signing bonus already in Felix’ bank account, then the contract really could be viewed as $27.2M for a 5-year extension that begins two years from now.

    If the deal gets finalized consistent with this post, he’s being paid at $27.2M per year and, I suspect if one adjusts for the fact that the Mariners are taking risk of injury or loss of effectiveness before the 2015-19 portion of the contract begins, problably well over $30M annually.

  13. historiophiliac - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:19 PM

    A text from one of my baseball buddies when he heard the news:

    “Guess he’s not coming to Baltimore now. :(”

    I died laughing.

  14. dallasstars9 - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM

    The Mariners had to do this, but this is still a lot of money to spend on a guy that only helps your team win every 4th or 5th game. But the new rivalry between a couple of the two worst teams in baseball (Mariners vs Astros) should help his numbers.

  15. cackalackyank - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:39 PM

    Bottom line, Felix , if he stays healthy, is going to have to earn every dollar of this deal. There is not going to be a lot of dollars to spend on offensive production, so those “W’s” are not going to come easier as he ages.

    • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:06 PM

      Even at $25 million, Felix makes the team more money than he costs them.

  16. unlost1 - Feb 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    they still won’t win the division. you know i’m right

  17. sanzarq - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    DUMB!!

    STUPID!!

    INSANE!!

  18. buffalomafia - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    The only reason hecis staying in Seattle is the $$$$$! He is not staying cause they will never win!

  19. kiwicricket - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM

    But he’s still going to be a Yankee though? Right?

    **

  20. IdahoMariner - Feb 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM

    Felix is ours, you can’t have him.

    Since 2005, he has been one of two players that consistently made it a pleasure, or at least bearable, to watch the Ms. Since last summer, with Ichiro! gone, he’s it. And it’s only once every five days but he always makes it worth the price of admission. Every year, we get a couple of guys who are fun to watch (brendan ryan’s defense is insanely fantastic, his bat is the polar opposite), but knowing Felix and his crazy ass filthy stuff is going to be there every year….love it. Yeah, we suck. We won’t always suck, though, and in the meantime, happy felix day.

  21. Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order - Feb 7, 2013 at 5:25 PM

    This offseason they’ve locked up an ace pitcher to a gigantic contract, which isn’t surprising to anyone who’s been to Safeco (it is The Felix Show up there), and collected a bunch of guys who maybe hit but cost runs on defense. Is there some master plan in motion I’m not seeing here? I worry that the Mariners-Padres games this year are going to look an awful lot like the Mariners-Padres games from last year, and I was drunk in the 5th last year.

    Well, maybe not just because of the baseball game, the beer at Safeco is pretty awesome.

  22. weaselpuppy - Feb 7, 2013 at 6:07 PM

    The beer at Petco is awesome too….but BLC Taco is transcendant ( Bacon Lobster Chorizo)

    Verlander likely gets a 5/ 130 extension through his age 36 season, which is, scary as it may be, a hometown discount.

  23. native772013 - Feb 7, 2013 at 6:49 PM

    I signed up to provide a quick couple notes to the discussion at hand:

    Ms have 2 of the top ace caliber pitching prospects coming up in a year or two. And the overall 9th best ranked farm system currently.
    They moved the fences in at Safeco.
    Felix will be a Mariner for the foreseeable future.

    The future is looking bright for the Ms.

  24. btwicey - Feb 7, 2013 at 7:25 PM

    It’s hard not to think that the mariners would be sizeably better off seeing what they could get in a haul for him, he’s as valuable as it gets. Get 4-5 youngsters and set yourself up for 10 years + save tens of thousands.

    • Reflex - Feb 7, 2013 at 8:37 PM

      Which team has four to five youngsters worth Felix? Looking at the top ten ranked farm systems, I’m not seeing it. Are you seeing something I’m missing?

      Also, did you miss the part where Felix is himself only 26 and the best pitcher in baseball? How do you replace that?

  25. joerymi - Feb 7, 2013 at 10:08 PM

    I think they are quietly building something decent. Felix Hernandez is a top-5 pitcher and Taijuan Walker looks like he has high-end ability.

    Their next move ought to be moving Montero to another position, then bring up Zunino.

    Keeping Hernandez makes sense. The money is huge, but they have some real nice pieces on their way up. Cheap and team control is on its way. In a few years, I think it is a strong possibility that they are happy Upton rejected that trade.

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