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	<title>Comments on: Explaining the steroid scandal in four panels</title>
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		<title>By: denny65</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right-o, ask Lemond if Armstrong has never hurt anyone.  Or Landis.  Or Tyler Hamilton.  Or Frankie Andreau. Or....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right-o, ask Lemond if Armstrong has never hurt anyone.  Or Landis.  Or Tyler Hamilton.  Or Frankie Andreau. Or&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: raysfan1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raysfan1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m well aware of the potential side effects.  Literally every medication has side effects.  Tylenol can cause liver failure in some people, as an example. Most of the side effects are dose dependent (more drug = more side effect), which in turn occurs more often when a drug is being abused rather than used properly as prescribed by a competent physician for a legitimate medical problem...which is back to the point I already made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m well aware of the potential side effects.  Literally every medication has side effects.  Tylenol can cause liver failure in some people, as an example. Most of the side effects are dose dependent (more drug = more side effect), which in turn occurs more often when a drug is being abused rather than used properly as prescribed by a competent physician for a legitimate medical problem&#8230;which is back to the point I already made.</p>
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		<title>By: bh192012</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bh192012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought White Zombie and Blade Runner had this all figured out....  &quot;More Human Than Human&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought White Zombie and Blade Runner had this all figured out&#8230;.  &#8220;More Human Than Human&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ctony1216</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ctony1216]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What problems can abusing anabolic steroids cause? Anabolic steroids can cause serious side effects. Some of these effects can be permanent.

In men, anabolic steroids can:
Reduce sperm count.
Shrink the testicles.
Cause you not to be able to father children.
Enlarge the breasts.

In both men and women, anabolic steroids can cause:
Bone growth to stop before it is complete in a teen. The teen may not reach his or her full adult height.
A heart attack or stroke, even in a very young person.
High blood pressure.
Higher levels of bad cholesterol (LDL) and lower levels of good cholesterol (HDL).
Liver disease and possibly liver cancer. The chance of these problems is higher when steroids are taken as a pill.
Oily skin and acne.
Male-pattern hair loss.
Skin infections that can become severe if the drug was tainted with bacteria.
Irritability, rage, uncontrolled high energy (mania), or false beliefs (delusions).

Etc.

http://men.webmd.com/guide/anabolic-steroid-abuse-topic-overview]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What problems can abusing anabolic steroids cause? Anabolic steroids can cause serious side effects. Some of these effects can be permanent.</p>
<p>In men, anabolic steroids can:<br />
Reduce sperm count.<br />
Shrink the testicles.<br />
Cause you not to be able to father children.<br />
Enlarge the breasts.</p>
<p>In both men and women, anabolic steroids can cause:<br />
Bone growth to stop before it is complete in a teen. The teen may not reach his or her full adult height.<br />
A heart attack or stroke, even in a very young person.<br />
High blood pressure.<br />
Higher levels of bad cholesterol (LDL) and lower levels of good cholesterol (HDL).<br />
Liver disease and possibly liver cancer. The chance of these problems is higher when steroids are taken as a pill.<br />
Oily skin and acne.<br />
Male-pattern hair loss.<br />
Skin infections that can become severe if the drug was tainted with bacteria.<br />
Irritability, rage, uncontrolled high energy (mania), or false beliefs (delusions).</p>
<p>Etc.</p>
<p><a href="http://men.webmd.com/guide/anabolic-steroid-abuse-topic-overview" rel="nofollow">http://men.webmd.com/guide/anabolic-steroid-abuse-topic-overview</a></p>
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		<title>By: ctony1216</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441438</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ctony1216]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone should tell Melky Cabrera that steroids don&#039;t make you better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should tell Melky Cabrera that steroids don&#8217;t make you better.</p>
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		<title>By: ctony1216</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ctony1216]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There should be a rule that whenever you write a pro-PED story, you have to list the harmful side effects of those PEDs. Use the same rule that applies to drug ads on TV. For instance: 

Possible side effects of HGH use include: 
- nerve, muscle, or joint pain
- swelling due to fluid in the body&#039;s tissues (edema)
- carpal tunnel syndrome
- numbness and tingling of the skin
- high cholesterol levels
- HGH can also increase the risk of diabetes and contribute to the growth of cancerous tumors.  

Furthermore, if you get the drug illicitly, you may not know what you are really getting. Because of the high cost, HGH drugs have been counterfeited. If you are not getting HGH from your doctor, you may be getting an unapproved product.

http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be a rule that whenever you write a pro-PED story, you have to list the harmful side effects of those PEDs. Use the same rule that applies to drug ads on TV. For instance: </p>
<p>Possible side effects of HGH use include:<br />
- nerve, muscle, or joint pain<br />
- swelling due to fluid in the body&#8217;s tissues (edema)<br />
- carpal tunnel syndrome<br />
- numbness and tingling of the skin<br />
- high cholesterol levels<br />
- HGH can also increase the risk of diabetes and contribute to the growth of cancerous tumors.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, if you get the drug illicitly, you may not know what you are really getting. Because of the high cost, HGH drugs have been counterfeited. If you are not getting HGH from your doctor, you may be getting an unapproved product.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh" rel="nofollow">http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/human-growth-hormone-hgh</a></p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 19:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquotE&gt;Athletes shouldn’t have to risk their lives to be able to compete in pro wrestling or in pro baseball.&lt;/blockquotE&gt;

Who says they have to?  The sooner we get away from the &quot;steroids make you better&quot; stupidity the sooner we can treat this issue, if not solve it altogether.  For every Bonds/Clemens/Arod, we can point out the many players who were caught who were replacement level or worse.

As to the job comment, it&#039;s really not an apples to oranges comparison.  Most jobs require you to pass a drug test for employment, and you are subject to a drug test if deemed necessary.  in MLB, PED use has essentially been sanctioned since the 60s, and only really came to a forefront when a bunch of Congressmen got their panties in a bunch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Athletes shouldn’t have to risk their lives to be able to compete in pro wrestling or in pro baseball.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who says they have to?  The sooner we get away from the &#8220;steroids make you better&#8221; stupidity the sooner we can treat this issue, if not solve it altogether.  For every Bonds/Clemens/Arod, we can point out the many players who were caught who were replacement level or worse.</p>
<p>As to the job comment, it&#8217;s really not an apples to oranges comparison.  Most jobs require you to pass a drug test for employment, and you are subject to a drug test if deemed necessary.  in MLB, PED use has essentially been sanctioned since the 60s, and only really came to a forefront when a bunch of Congressmen got their panties in a bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: ctony1216</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ctony1216]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. Look at WWE wrestling. Because of a number of deaths to the young &quot;adults&quot; in that sport, WWE is now testing for steroids. I couldn&#039;t imagine baseball devolving into what pro wrestling is trying to fix. 

Here&#039;s a video of former WWE wrestler and Harvard grad Chris Nowitzki explaining why steroids are so harmful (enlarged hearts) and should be banned:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/former-wrestler-mcmahon-kicking-dirt-on-the-grave-of-lance-cade/61782/

Here&#039;s a story documenting the alarming rate of pro wrestlers dying young: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-pro-wrestling_x.htm

[Excerpt:] USA TODAY&#039;s examination of medical documents, autopsies and police reports, along with interviews with family members and news accounts, shows that at least 65 wrestlers died in that time, 25 from heart attacks or other coronary problems — an extraordinarily high rate for people that young, medical officials say. Many had enlarged hearts.

Athletes shouldn&#039;t have to risk their lives to be able to compete in pro wrestling or in pro baseball.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. Look at WWE wrestling. Because of a number of deaths to the young &#8220;adults&#8221; in that sport, WWE is now testing for steroids. I couldn&#8217;t imagine baseball devolving into what pro wrestling is trying to fix. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a video of former WWE wrestler and Harvard grad Chris Nowitzki explaining why steroids are so harmful (enlarged hearts) and should be banned:<br />
<a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/former-wrestler-mcmahon-kicking-dirt-on-the-grave-of-lance-cade/61782/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/former-wrestler-mcmahon-kicking-dirt-on-the-grave-of-lance-cade/61782/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a story documenting the alarming rate of pro wrestlers dying young: <a href="http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-pro-wrestling_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/2004-03-12-pro-wrestling_x.htm</a></p>
<p>[Excerpt:] USA TODAY&#8217;s examination of medical documents, autopsies and police reports, along with interviews with family members and news accounts, shows that at least 65 wrestlers died in that time, 25 from heart attacks or other coronary problems — an extraordinarily high rate for people that young, medical officials say. Many had enlarged hearts.</p>
<p>Athletes shouldn&#8217;t have to risk their lives to be able to compete in pro wrestling or in pro baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: ctony1216</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ctony1216]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Little League is about playing fair, striving to win, and win or lose, always doing your best. Doesn&#039;t say anything about injecting HGH or steroids.

Bottom line is players who DON&#039;T do steroids shouldn&#039;t be at a competitive disadvantage to those who do. You shouldn&#039;t have to risk your health to be competitive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Little League is about playing fair, striving to win, and win or lose, always doing your best. Doesn&#8217;t say anything about injecting HGH or steroids.</p>
<p>Bottom line is players who DON&#8217;T do steroids shouldn&#8217;t be at a competitive disadvantage to those who do. You shouldn&#8217;t have to risk your health to be competitive.</p>
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		<title>By: evogel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evogel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 18:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two of my favorite things together!  Calcaterra and XKCD!  In the words of Daniel Tosh &quot;you&#039;ll hate life after sports anyway&quot; so who cares if they&#039;re harmful to your body.  I doubt many people on this forum would refrain from using steroids if you told them &quot;You&#039;ll get to play baseball for 12 good seasons and be a 2-3 time all-star and make obscene amounts of money, but after you&#039;ll probably have some lasting physical effects&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of my favorite things together!  Calcaterra and XKCD!  In the words of Daniel Tosh &#8220;you&#8217;ll hate life after sports anyway&#8221; so who cares if they&#8217;re harmful to your body.  I doubt many people on this forum would refrain from using steroids if you told them &#8220;You&#8217;ll get to play baseball for 12 good seasons and be a 2-3 time all-star and make obscene amounts of money, but after you&#8217;ll probably have some lasting physical effects&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: IdahoMariner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IdahoMariner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, there are layers and facets to the whole steroids as cheating concept (was it cheating before it was banned? is the problem really that several of the substances are illegal to have or use without a prescription? is it bad because they are ultimately dangerous to use and their continued use by some makes it mandatory for others to use them (to the detriment of their health) simply to compete and stay in their sport? do any peds really give an advantage, or is this just some sad placebo craziness?).....so, yes it is really just sports, so we shouldn&#039;t get ridiculously jacked up about the cheating/not cheating stuff....but there are other, interesting and actually important ethical questions involved, so it&#039;s not just a silly issue.

more importantly, armstrong&#039;s affirmative behavior to sue people claiming they were defaming him, to try and succeed in damaging people&#039;s livelihoods because they knew and spoke the truth about his doping was him taking it out of the realm of &quot;just sports&quot; (his doping) and into the real world with real consequences to people simply speaking the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there are layers and facets to the whole steroids as cheating concept (was it cheating before it was banned? is the problem really that several of the substances are illegal to have or use without a prescription? is it bad because they are ultimately dangerous to use and their continued use by some makes it mandatory for others to use them (to the detriment of their health) simply to compete and stay in their sport? do any peds really give an advantage, or is this just some sad placebo craziness?)&#8230;..so, yes it is really just sports, so we shouldn&#8217;t get ridiculously jacked up about the cheating/not cheating stuff&#8230;.but there are other, interesting and actually important ethical questions involved, so it&#8217;s not just a silly issue.</p>
<p>more importantly, armstrong&#8217;s affirmative behavior to sue people claiming they were defaming him, to try and succeed in damaging people&#8217;s livelihoods because they knew and spoke the truth about his doping was him taking it out of the realm of &#8220;just sports&#8221; (his doping) and into the real world with real consequences to people simply speaking the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: alang3131982</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alang3131982]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, how do you know Glanville would have had a longer career had he taken PEDs? He was average as a 28-year-old. The  list of people who took PEDs and sucked is at least as long as the list of people who took PEDs and excelled. 

So you hate every single player who took PEDs evenly? You hate Hank Aaron? Hank Aaron is liked by thousands of people, he is &quot;the true HR King.&quot; He took greenies. Greenies are PEDs. Therefore, the majority of people should dislike Aaron cause he, in taking PEDs, made it unfair to those who did not. He made it unfair to his contemporaries and everyone chasing his records.

So, is it your contention that the same amount of people do not like Henry Aaron and Barry Bonds? If not, the reason people dislike Bonds more is not because he took PEDs but because he was good at it. Which is bullsh*t]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, how do you know Glanville would have had a longer career had he taken PEDs? He was average as a 28-year-old. The  list of people who took PEDs and sucked is at least as long as the list of people who took PEDs and excelled. </p>
<p>So you hate every single player who took PEDs evenly? You hate Hank Aaron? Hank Aaron is liked by thousands of people, he is &#8220;the true HR King.&#8221; He took greenies. Greenies are PEDs. Therefore, the majority of people should dislike Aaron cause he, in taking PEDs, made it unfair to those who did not. He made it unfair to his contemporaries and everyone chasing his records.</p>
<p>So, is it your contention that the same amount of people do not like Henry Aaron and Barry Bonds? If not, the reason people dislike Bonds more is not because he took PEDs but because he was good at it. Which is bullsh*t</p>
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		<title>By: Old Gator</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Old Gator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How far back does it go?

During the middle Jurassic period, small, agile carnivores suddenly became huge destroying machines with gigantic claws, moutfulls of butcher knives, acute infrared and olfactory sensors and an accelerated metabolism, giving them a noteworthy advantage over the hulking herbivores on which they fed.

I believe those carnivores had begun taking performance enhancing drugs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How far back does it go?</p>
<p>During the middle Jurassic period, small, agile carnivores suddenly became huge destroying machines with gigantic claws, moutfulls of butcher knives, acute infrared and olfactory sensors and an accelerated metabolism, giving them a noteworthy advantage over the hulking herbivores on which they fed.</p>
<p>I believe those carnivores had begun taking performance enhancing drugs.</p>
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		<title>By: alang3131982</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alang3131982]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ummm if bad for your health is the argument, why do we allow beer? PEDs do more for someone&#039;s health than alcohol. Ditto smoking. Also fat foods. What does a 1200 calorie cheeseburger do for you? 

If you are worried about health then outlaw those. PEDs shouldnt be illegal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm if bad for your health is the argument, why do we allow beer? PEDs do more for someone&#8217;s health than alcohol. Ditto smoking. Also fat foods. What does a 1200 calorie cheeseburger do for you? </p>
<p>If you are worried about health then outlaw those. PEDs shouldnt be illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Fiorentino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not his health, but the guys who used PEDs put their own health at risk and pressured other guys into either following along or being at a disadvantage.  Why is this such a difficult concept to understand???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not his health, but the guys who used PEDs put their own health at risk and pressured other guys into either following along or being at a disadvantage.  Why is this such a difficult concept to understand???</p>
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		<title>By: protectthishouse54</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[protectthishouse54]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it really that hard to figure out? They&#039;re bad for your health and if they&#039;re allowed to be used, then everyone has to use them. Otherwise, you fall behind and risk losing money, your career, etc. The honest approach to the game has to be protected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it really that hard to figure out? They&#8217;re bad for your health and if they&#8217;re allowed to be used, then everyone has to use them. Otherwise, you fall behind and risk losing money, your career, etc. The honest approach to the game has to be protected.</p>
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		<title>By: protectthishouse54</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right. And if another adult wants to have the same job but isn&#039;t willing to incur the health risks, well f*** them. Did I get that right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right. And if another adult wants to have the same job but isn&#8217;t willing to incur the health risks, well f*** them. Did I get that right?</p>
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		<title>By: bsbiz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A real estate mongul tries to sell you a house while terrorizing the steppes of Russia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real estate mongul tries to sell you a house while terrorizing the steppes of Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Fiorentino</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441235</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, I just used Bonds as an EXAMPLE.  Did you want me to write every single player&#039;s name in the comment?  The only reason I gave Boinds as an EXAMPLE is that Craig seems to imply that the only reason people hate Bonds is for breaking the HR record and that&#039;s not true in my opinion.  There is another factor and that is that Bonds, AND EVERY PLAYER WHO CHEATED BY TAKING PEDs(there, ya happy?) got an advantage that players who cared more about their long-term health, like Doug Glanville, did not get because they didn&#039;t take the PEDs.  Just because Glanville, who did have a great year in 1999 before he got hurt, wasn&#039;t breaking records, he could have easily played into his later 30&#039;s if he decided to take the PEDs.  He didn&#039;t because he cared more about his long-term health.  Not because he wanted to try to break records.  No matter the reason, players who take the PEDs make it unfair to those who do not.  And THAT is the major reason people do not like the players who took the PEDs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I just used Bonds as an EXAMPLE.  Did you want me to write every single player&#8217;s name in the comment?  The only reason I gave Boinds as an EXAMPLE is that Craig seems to imply that the only reason people hate Bonds is for breaking the HR record and that&#8217;s not true in my opinion.  There is another factor and that is that Bonds, AND EVERY PLAYER WHO CHEATED BY TAKING PEDs(there, ya happy?) got an advantage that players who cared more about their long-term health, like Doug Glanville, did not get because they didn&#8217;t take the PEDs.  Just because Glanville, who did have a great year in 1999 before he got hurt, wasn&#8217;t breaking records, he could have easily played into his later 30&#8242;s if he decided to take the PEDs.  He didn&#8217;t because he cared more about his long-term health.  Not because he wanted to try to break records.  No matter the reason, players who take the PEDs make it unfair to those who do not.  And THAT is the major reason people do not like the players who took the PEDs.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441230</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think anyone is mad at Barry Bonds for putting his health at risk.  If that were true there&#039;d be just as much rage and gnashing of teeth over Jason Grimsley and Pablo Ozuna.  People are mad at Bonds for 762.  That&#039;s it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone is mad at Barry Bonds for putting his health at risk.  If that were true there&#8217;d be just as much rage and gnashing of teeth over Jason Grimsley and Pablo Ozuna.  People are mad at Bonds for 762.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: alang3131982</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alang3131982]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[drunk on gameday, like Mantle?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drunk on gameday, like Mantle?</p>
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		<title>By: cktai</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441226</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cktai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah EPO came on the scene somewhere in the early 90s. Some of the winners between 86 and 90 admitted to PED use in the latter parts of their careers, after they had finished on the podium. 

I should mention though, that there is a lot more to cycling then just the Tour de France. The winners of the classics and world championships in general are more clean than the stage race riders. Simply because PEDs are mostly used for recovery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah EPO came on the scene somewhere in the early 90s. Some of the winners between 86 and 90 admitted to PED use in the latter parts of their careers, after they had finished on the podium. </p>
<p>I should mention though, that there is a lot more to cycling then just the Tour de France. The winners of the classics and world championships in general are more clean than the stage race riders. Simply because PEDs are mostly used for recovery.</p>
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		<title>By: cktai</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cktai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with cycling is that there are few sports where PEDs can have such a huge advantage as in cycling.

Although I&#039;d argue weightlifting might be worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with cycling is that there are few sports where PEDs can have such a huge advantage as in cycling.</p>
<p>Although I&#8217;d argue weightlifting might be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy crap, so it&#039;s even further back?  While I watched when Armstrong was racing, it&#039;s not exactly a high priority on my sports watching so I apologize if I&#039;m wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, so it&#8217;s even further back?  While I watched when Armstrong was racing, it&#8217;s not exactly a high priority on my sports watching so I apologize if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: dowhatifeellike</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently most HBT readers don&#039;t understand how comics work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently most HBT readers don&#8217;t understand how comics work.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nategearhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please explain what is &quot;immoral&quot; about using cocaine or HGH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain what is &#8220;immoral&#8221; about using cocaine or HGH.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nategearhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Care about the outcomes of the events for entertainment purposes, but don&#039;t attach any life lessons to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care about the outcomes of the events for entertainment purposes, but don&#8217;t attach any life lessons to it.</p>
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		<title>By: nategearhart</title>
		<link>http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/explaining-the-steroid-scandal-in-four-panels/comment-page-1/#comment-441218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nategearhart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be ok to question their being illegal, though.  Just like we asked why the hell alcohol was illegal during prohibition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be ok to question their being illegal, though.  Just like we asked why the hell alcohol was illegal during prohibition.</p>
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		<title>By: alang3131982</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alang3131982]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But, how do you know PEDs would have helped Glanville&#039;s career? Tons of people took PEDs with little benefit to their baseball playing. Could it have helped him, sure. Do you know for a fact? No. He made an informed choice. Good for him. But to say that a magic pill would have suddenly gave him 10 more years is improbable. Dude was an average player at best in his prime.

Hank Aaron, one of the best players ever, took greenies. If Bonds wanted to take his record and &quot;be the best ever,&quot; didnt Aaron taking greenies improve his stat line which then forced Bonds to take another PED to improve his chances?

You are complaining about the PED users pressuring others to take them. and then blame Bonds for creating this pressure. However, it&#039;s pretty easy to logically assume that if this pressure exists, clearly Bonds felt it, given that players have taken PEDs for some time now. So are you saying that while PEDs existed for 30+ years in baseball, it wasnt until Bonds took them that others felt this pressure to take them? That&#039;s silly. This pressure is either everyone&#039;s fault who took PEDs, which includes a ton of baseball players or no one&#039;s fault. You cant single Bonds out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, how do you know PEDs would have helped Glanville&#8217;s career? Tons of people took PEDs with little benefit to their baseball playing. Could it have helped him, sure. Do you know for a fact? No. He made an informed choice. Good for him. But to say that a magic pill would have suddenly gave him 10 more years is improbable. Dude was an average player at best in his prime.</p>
<p>Hank Aaron, one of the best players ever, took greenies. If Bonds wanted to take his record and &#8220;be the best ever,&#8221; didnt Aaron taking greenies improve his stat line which then forced Bonds to take another PED to improve his chances?</p>
<p>You are complaining about the PED users pressuring others to take them. and then blame Bonds for creating this pressure. However, it&#8217;s pretty easy to logically assume that if this pressure exists, clearly Bonds felt it, given that players have taken PEDs for some time now. So are you saying that while PEDs existed for 30+ years in baseball, it wasnt until Bonds took them that others felt this pressure to take them? That&#8217;s silly. This pressure is either everyone&#8217;s fault who took PEDs, which includes a ton of baseball players or no one&#8217;s fault. You cant single Bonds out.</p>
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		<title>By: cktai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cktai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 2012 top 3 has never been caught using PEDs. The 2010 top 3 has also never been caught, or confessed, although Menchov has recently been implicated by some of his Rabobank colleagues.

And the year should be 1986 with Greg LeMond, Bernard Hinault and Urs Zimmermann. The 1996 Tour was famously won by Riis with a hematocrit level of 60 (anything over 50 got banned a year later)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2012 top 3 has never been caught using PEDs. The 2010 top 3 has also never been caught, or confessed, although Menchov has recently been implicated by some of his Rabobank colleagues.</p>
<p>And the year should be 1986 with Greg LeMond, Bernard Hinault and Urs Zimmermann. The 1996 Tour was famously won by Riis with a hematocrit level of 60 (anything over 50 got banned a year later)</p>
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