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Jeff Loria: disingenuous or impulsive?

Feb 15, 2013, 9:15 AM EDT

This is rich:


So, did Loria know that he was going to trade Reyes two days later? If he did, that’s a pretty crappy and disingenuous thing to say to Reyes in hindsight. If he didn’t, it means that he hatched and completed a franchise-altering trade in two days, which seems rather hasty and rash.

  1. danaking - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    If this is true, “disingenuous” is way too kind a characterization. “Dishonest” comes closer.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:53 AM

      I was thinking: “dick.”

      • cur68 - Feb 15, 2013 at 10:40 AM

        Total penis-head move.

  2. paint771 - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Or 3. Jeffrey Loria had just purchased some real estate interest in Miami.

    • ptfu - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:29 AM

      Nicely done. This is surely what happened.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM

      He should’ve had Sammy Sosa’s sweater pitch it then.

  3. manchestermiracle - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:23 AM

    Dishonest and greedy.

  4. mybrunoblog - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Remember what your favorite Uncle told you when you were a kid.
    There a three things in life to never trust. Financial advice from a drinking buddy, a fart and Jeff Loria.

    • ptfu - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:28 AM

      But which is which? I can’t tell the difference between ’em…

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:57 AM

        I wouldn’t drink with Loria, and my farts smell pretty good to me. So if it stinks and it’s not buying me bourbon, it’s probably Loria

  5. randygnyc - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:27 AM

    Either way, it proves that Loria is unfit to own a MLB franchise.

    • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM

      In which connection, Anthopoulos made an interesting comment today when Reyes’ remarks were reported to him: “We build trust with actions, not with words.”


      Anthopoulos dealt with Scrooge McLoria and his cult for a couple of weeks, and his contempt is already palpable.

  6. heyblueyoustink - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM

    Not nothing for nothing, but, is the source on this Jose Reyes? I mean Loria is a total creep, but is Reyes a reliable source. Because lord knows baseball players don’t lie while waiving their finger at congress.

  7. unclemosesgreen - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    This article is pure gator-baiting.

    • Gamera the Brave - Feb 15, 2013 at 10:58 AM

      This post is just a small part of Craig’s training-up for the “Gator-baiting” squad, representing the USofA at the 2016 Olympics in Rio. The training is rigorous, and we should be supporting him in this.

      Wait – I’m being told that “Gator-baiting” is NOT an Olympic event…

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 12:22 PM

        That’s because too many of its practitioners wind up in the Special Olympics four years later. You know, like those two idiot “python hunters” who got completely lost in the Everglades last week and had to be airlifted to safety. Morons. They’re only lucky they didn’t trip over me while I was taking a snooze in a mudhole.

  8. digbysellers - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:38 AM

    Sorry, I thought the headline said repulsive and I instantly said yes to myself.

  9. pkers - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:40 AM

    I think you linked to this breakdown of the timeline for that trade:

    Obviously, it doesn’t have full details of when Loria was notified of what was being negotiated, or how involved he was- but at least in this version, he wasn’t called until Monday Nov 12th; the deal was dead in the morning of the 13th, then agreed to in the afternoon of the 13th, with players being notified that evening. So it’s possible that Loria didn’t know that Reyes was being shipped off 2 days before he was traded (Sunday the 11th) when they supposedly had dinner.

    Also, it notes that Reyes was vacationing in Dubai on the 13th. Again, we don’t have all the facts from this article that can help construct a full timeline- possibly Reyes left for Dubai on Monday after having dinner with Loria on Sunday? Or Reyes and Loria had dinner in Dubai on Sunday?

    • FrustratedDolFan - Feb 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM

      pkers…you must be a relative of David Sampson or just a Loria apologist. If you for one second don’t believe Loria was in the know on one of the biggest trades in MLB history you sir/madam have officially had the wool pulled over your eyes by this franchise. Not only was he aware of the trade, he gave the order to purge this payroll. Loria is scum and should be removed from this great game.

      It is sad because Redmond could and would have the support of the fan base if it wasn’t for this owner. I have found myself getting seduced again by this team but make no mistake I will not invest my time or money going to Fl from VA to watch them like I did several times last year. We always have the Nats right up the road and they have been doing things the right way. Maybe Loria or new ownership can learn from them.

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM

        Personally I I think not supporting the home town team because of an owner is weak. The team finished in dead last quite comfortably and weren’t really all that hit hard by the injury bug. They were terrible and boring aside from Stanton. I believe we will have more wins this year with a bunch of no names than we did last year and that is where it starts. Money talks and Loria won’t find much trouble investing in free agents in future years to round out the team

      • FrustratedDolFan - Feb 15, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        Jimmy if for a second you believe I enjoy “bashing” this owner rather than rooting for this team you are dead wrong. As fans we can only take so much and this ownership has fleeced this fan base and the city of Miami. I agree that team under performed from day they pranced Ali out in that cart to the trade of Hanley and finally to the total dismantling of the immediate future.

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:25 AM

      Most likely this. But hey, I have an idea. Another Loria bashing story where the commenters can come in and pat themselves on the back for their crass remarks. My guess is the jays may have not wanted to part with Hechaverria and the Marlins giving up Reyes was the only way to get him or vice versa because he seems to be the defensive wet dream at Ss the fish have wanted since the days of Alex Gonzalez

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM

        Enough starry eyed hero worship, Jimmy. Wake up and smell the acid. There was an extensive article in the Toronto Star a few days after the trade went down that tracked the entire process of the trade negotiations. Reyes was on the table from no later than midway through the negotiations, which went on for over a week.

        I can’t recall offhand if I was directed to that article by something here on Circling the Bases or whether my friend in Toronto sent me the link, but man, you have got to stop making excused for that miserable, conniving, thieving piece of shit, Scrooge McLoria. He genuinely is everything you seem to want to believe he isn’t.

        Deal with it: stop kidding yourself, and stop bullshitting us.

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:45 AM


        A. I’m hardly some starry eyed kid. Loria is a businessman who has made a ton of money in baseball. He has done what he deems necessary to sustain his wealth and let’s not pretend like he has not invested one cent into the Franchise and into the city and that his personal greed drives his every motive. The devil incarnate he is not.
        B. Secondly, like I’ve been saying and to those lucky enough to not watch a Marlins game last year. We were dreadful. Terrible. Painful to the eye. Clutch like Casey at the bat. The team needed drastic change from top to bottom regardless of the money
        C. We had absolutely zip in our farm system aside from Fernandez and Yelich. Now we have what? 6 to 8 of the top 100? Granted prospects are no guarantee but like what we saw from the 06 team, and with a guy like Redmond as manager, this team will fight and scrape for every win and I think will be rather enjoyable to watch at times.
        D. I know, I know, it crimps your style that I find optimism in a situation where you all laugh at Marlins fans who believe in the direction of this team, but I’d rather blow up my roster and try again, then continually failing with the same overpriced players who aren’t working out so much. I know, I know. I’m the crazy one

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 12:35 PM

        Jimmy – I love your optimism. If this town were full of fans who could spontaneously embrace the team and fill the stadium we might still have Wayne Huizinga as an owner. It’s your naivete that bothers me. This isn’t that kind of town. An owners who wants to build a fan base needs patience and perseverance, and it takes years to build a tradition and a following. This isn’t about the team as constituted last year – which finished dead last after being partially blown up in midseason; stop making it sound like the team that came out of the gate was anything like the one that stumbled back into it in September. It wasn’t. Owners who really give a shit look to bolster a team – they don’t just throw their hands up with 80 games left and kiss it goodbye.

        But that’s neither here nor there. We’re basically on the same side when it comes to the team. But this isn’t about the team per se. It’s about what kind of conniving swine it has for an owner.

        Loria looked Reyes in the eyes, smiled, and lied. A few months before that he looked Mark Buehrle in the eyes, smiled, and lied. A few years earlier he looked Carlos Delgado in the eyes, smiled, and told the same lie. I’m sick of seeing crooks, liars and con men let off the hook for their moral dereliction because they’re “businessmen,” as if that were all the justification they needed for preying on their communities. If his victims were gullible and Scrooge knew it and preyed on their gullibility, sorry, whereas I see clearly the contributory ineptitude of the victim, that doesn’t absolve Scrooge of his moral abdication. It only makes it seem even more disgusting. Would you admire a burglar who pistol-whipped an old lady for her wedding ring because he was “successful” and got away clean? I still think you need to take off those rose-tinctured binoculars and see Scrooge McLoria for what he really is.

        Which isn’t much.

  10. paperlions - Feb 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM

    Remember this story about the evolution of that deal?

    According to that time line, Reyes name came up and he was in the deal on November 8th. On November 12th, Loria was part of a conference call. The deal was leaked/announced on November 13th. According to the Story Reyes was vacationing in Dubai at the time of the deal.

    Did Reyes really have dinner with Loria on the 11th and was in Dubai on the 13th?

    • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 12:41 PM

      That’s the piece I was thinking of. Yep. Scrooge McLoria is what he is.

  11. sabatimus - Feb 15, 2013 at 10:00 AM

    I don’t think the two words are necessarily exclusive, but at least one of them surely applies.

  12. hisgirlgotburrelled - Feb 15, 2013 at 10:26 AM

    What part of trading Reyes, Johnson, and Buerhle sounds like a well thought out plan?

    • echech88 - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:10 AM

      To a greedy scumbag, the part where their contracts cease to be your problem.

      • hisgirlgotburrelled - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM

        If you’re a greedy scumbag then trading these contracts needed no thought.

    • jimmymarlinsfan - Feb 15, 2013 at 11:31 AM

      The part where we finished in last

      • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 12:40 PM

        How about the part where Scrooge and his front orifice began playing Bridge on the River Kwai with the team in July instead of looking to bolster it, thereby guaranteeing it would finish last? That’s a deep crimson herring, Jimmy. Stop pulling marked aces out of your sleeve. When there are already four face up on the table, it looks like the scam comment that it is.

    • Old Gator - Feb 15, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      All of the trade sounds well thought out.

      By Alex Anthopoulos.

  13. xmatt0926x - Feb 15, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    Is there surprise here? Seriously? This is a man who is willing to fleece a community for tens of millions and who’s right hand man stood in front of an assembled group and said he and Jeff don’t really care if anyone shows up to the new park or not because “we still get all the money”. Yet, sitting with Jose Reyes , who was obviously asking if he was going to be traded, Loria was suddenly going to find religion and tell the truth to Reyes? You either have integrity or you don’t. I’m guessing Jeff didn’t lose any more sleep over his little fib to Jose Reyes than he did when he was laughing his ass off that the people of Miami were actually buying his lies about trying to really compete for the long run.

  14. APBA Guy - Feb 15, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    CEO’s lie to their employees all the time. And they almost always claim “Honesty” as one of their corporate values. I can remember one CEO of mine coming West to speak to us remote employees at a dinner and swearing there were no impending layoffs, then less than a week later we were all out of a job. The HR person said layoffs had been planned for over 2 months. Later the CEO was indicted for contract fraud. Unfortunately he plead out with a big fine and resignation, but no jail time.

    A lying scumbag is just that, and he won’t change voluntarily because being a lying scumbag is working for him. If players, agents and fans of the Marlins believe anything Loria or his mouth pieces say at this point, after he’s clearly established himself as a lying scumbag, then they only have themselves to blame when the inevitable disappointment kicks in.

  15. jdd428 - Feb 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM

    There’s another thing to remember about the negative impact of the purge trade for the Feesh, even if you buy into the premise that talent-wise Miami got a pretty good return and opened up payroll space: The team will have a hard time ever getting another marquee free agent under this management, and the odds of retaining Stanton beyond his arb years are greatly diminished.

    While Reyes and Buehrle have no one but themselves to blame for signing without anything more concrete than Loria’s “promise” not to trade them, the fact is the purge trade signaled to all other players once and for all that Loria and Co. cannot be trusted one bit.

  16. mojosmagic - Feb 18, 2013 at 1:02 AM

    This is a man who gave Doc Halliday the pitchers mound after his perfect game then sent him an invoice for it a month latter. This is man who sold Doc’s perfect game tickets on the internet AFTER THE GAME AT FULL PRICE ruining it for the 10,000 in attendance me being one. This is a man who rips the broke city of Miami off for hundreds of millions under the guise of building a winner.

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