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The Giants are unhappy with Pablo Sandoval’s weight (again)

Feb 16, 2013, 9:01 PM EDT

Pablo Sandoval‘s conditioning has been an issue at times over the past several years, so it’s no surprise to hear that it is a topic of conversation in Giants’ camp again this spring.

According to Chris Haft of, Sandoval is listed at 262 pounds on the Giants’ spring roster, which is 22 pounds more than his listed weight for last season. Giants manager Bruce Bochy conceded that “it’s fair to say he has to shed a few,” but he also expressed optimism that he’ll be able to do so. Meanwhile, Sandoval didn’t understand what the fuss was all about.

“I feel in shape,” Sandoval told Haft. “Who cares what other people say? I’m here to do my job.”

Sandoval had 12 homers and a .789 OPS over 108 games last season, but poor conditioning wasn’t the problem as much as a broken hamate bone. Of course, he eventually found his power stroke by socking six homers in 16 postseason games en route to being named the World Series MVP. The best way for “Kung Fu Panda” to silence his critics is to hit.

  1. fearthehoody - Feb 16, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    Hes just trying to get his weight to his batting average!

  2. kjericho43 - Feb 16, 2013 at 9:54 PM

    Cheesecake or Roids? Probably Cheesecake.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 16, 2013 at 9:58 PM

      Mmmmm, cheesecake.

  3. Marty - Feb 16, 2013 at 9:59 PM

    He can play fat, and play well. But he probably can do so for 100 games max.

  4. tkbman - Feb 16, 2013 at 10:36 PM

    Home runs are one thing. But how can he honestly say that he’s doing all he can for his team when he’ll never stretch a single into a double or be a threat of any kind on the bases? How many runs has he cost his team by being fat and unathletic? Get over yourself and show your team and your fans that you give a crap.

    • crisisjunky - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM

      He could give a crap if he ate more fiber.

      • greymares - Feb 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM

        He eats healthy, he has a slice of lettuce on every burger.

    • seeingwhatsticks - Feb 17, 2013 at 4:57 AM

      He’s actually pretty agile for a guy his size. He’d certainly be better off at 220-230lbs but he’s not Prince Fielder.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

        What? Fielder can run.

  5. delusionalcardsfan - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM


    • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:19 AM


  6. Gamera the Brave - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

    Good lord – imagine a 220-lb., motivated Panda, who gave a sh!t…
    With his hand/eye coordination, he could easily have a HoF career.
    How irritating is that?…

    • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 9:43 AM

      So…you are saying being fat is affecting his hand-eye coordination? Yes, if he was thinner he might be a little better, he also might not. There really isn’t any way to know. The entire point of the BSOHL meme is that the vast majority of guys that show up in the BSOTLs do not play better and just as many play worse as play better.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 10:50 AM

        Well, he seems to suggest that weight is tied to motivation (ie giving a shit about one’s job/performance). I guess that means a good part of the American public is unmotivated, but whatever. I thought being early to report for training showed motivation. Is it weight instead? All these unwritten rules of spring training…it makes one long for measurable outcomes.

      • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM

        I have learned two things from the highly PED savvy baseball writers.

        1) If a guy gained weight it is because he started using PEDs to add muscle mass.

        2) If a guy lost weight it is because he stopped using PEDs and lost muscle mass.

        Weight change = PEDs

      • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:00 AM

        I think you’re saying that if he lost weight it would indicate LESS motivation since he stopped using PEDs to perform better.

      • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:27 AM

        That is one interpretation. Retired player who used greenies throughout his career would say using steroids was taking a short cut (i.e. he’s lazy and trying to get more bulk per unit effort = less motivation).

      • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:29 AM

        Now I don’t know WHICH to put in my oatmeal this morning.

      • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:32 AM

        Both….just to be safe.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM

        I’m okay to mix then, right? You wouldn’t tell me wrong on that…

      • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        It’s a positive synergism. I prefer my amphetamines in either powder or granular form…..but find my steroids to work best if they are freshly ground.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:38 AM

        Note to self: NEVER use paperlion’s “parmesan.”

      • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:41 AM

        Well, not after 7 pm… unless you want to stay up really late.

      • Gamera the Brave - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:35 PM

        It would be silly to imply that he will hit better (or worse) if he loses weight. It’s just depressing to see someone with so much potential, so much talent, who could improve his stamina, range at third, and probably lengthen his career with just a little conditioning…

  7. Sign Ahead - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    You know, if he lost weight and learned how to apply himself, the Giants might actually amount to something.

    • sfbayareasports415 - Feb 17, 2013 at 10:58 AM

      Exactly… And that’s what he needs to understand.

      • Sign Ahead - Feb 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM

        I think we might be having a Poe moment.

    • nemyx1 - Feb 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

      Not sure that I understand the context of this comment. I’m a die hard A’s fan, but the Giants won the WS last year and have won it 2 of the last 3 years. The Giants have amounted to something..

      • gosuhgo - Feb 17, 2013 at 6:11 PM

        How…how can you miss the sarcasm?

  8. stercuilus65 - Feb 17, 2013 at 4:32 AM

    Fat and stupid is no way to go through life son.

    • seeingwhatsticks - Feb 17, 2013 at 4:59 AM

      I had to -1 because the line is actually “Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life son.” You just can’t mess that one up.

  9. buffalomafia - Feb 17, 2013 at 6:00 AM

    Fat bastards making millions & his lazy black ass can’t afford a personal trainer?

    A gym membership is chesp nowadays!

    • skerney - Feb 17, 2013 at 6:38 AM

      Seeing as how:
      You don’t know how to correctly use an apostrophe and wind up making the word “bastard” plural.
      You seem to think that people from Venezuela are “black.”
      You cannot spell the word “cheap”
      You make racially insensitive comments to try to make a humorous point.
      I’m just going to assume you are as ignorant, pitiful, and pathetic as you seem and not both giving your asinine comment a thumbs down.

      Have a good life.

    • crisisjunky - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:30 PM

      So are night classes……
      I thought Cap Anson was dead.

      nson wss desd.

      • crisisjunky - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:32 PM

        oops dis that last line, my a’s &s’s are sticking, and forgot to delete

    • jimeejohnson - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      You don’t have to assume in this case.

  10. BigBeachBall - Feb 17, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    Why so much hate for the fatties? Its a game where players sit or stand in one spot 95 percent of the time…. Ruth pulled off the gut…. As did many after him… Gwynn… Ect… Most baseball fans will end up with 40 inch waist lines someday… Thats how metabolism works…

    • paperlions - Feb 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

      Ruth wasn’t fat until he got old. He was ripped when he was younger.

      • misterchainbluelightning - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:01 PM

        ya “ripped”…………….

      • misterchainbluelightning - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:02 PM

        totally ripped with his shirt off

    • echech88 - Feb 17, 2013 at 9:50 AM

      Pablo is a professional athlete. Key word there is *professional*. Being a professional means you take your work seriously and respect your employer’s investment in your performance. You make sacrifices with your diet and lifestyle if that is what is necessary to do so given that this is the job you have chosen.

      Sandoval always putting on weight shows that he considers eating crap food and not changing anything to be more important than honoring the trust his employer has put in him.

      When your job performance requires that you be able to run bases and field a defensive position at an elite level, coming in 20lbs heavier and acting like its not a big deal is a slap in the Giants’ face and shows Sandoval probably takes his amazing job and salary for granted. Doesn’t matter if he can “get by” or be “good enough” at this weight. He is paid to be the BEST he can be every year, not scrape by.

      Given how many fans have jobs they probably aren’t crazy about, yeah, I’d say it is pretty understandable that the average Joe would look at Sandoval and be less than understanding.

      • byjiminy - Feb 17, 2013 at 5:25 PM

        I agree with all this.

        I would just add though that the brain is not actually directed by conscious, rational thinking. There are hormones like ghrelin and leptin that the body uses to direct behavior to a particular set point, as well as many other unconscious motivational circuits that are very hard to overcome, as anyone who has tried to quit smoking, calmly end a relationship, or stay up for five days can tell you.

        That said, eating is not actually beyond conscious control. It’s just really hard. With that much money at his disposal, and that much at stake for his team, he could hire a 24-hour personal coach, putting eating decisions out of reach of his impulse control. If he made a conscious commitment to it, he could get all the help he needed to achieve his goal.

        Making light of it instead, and saying there is no problem, is inexcusable, if he meant it. I think it’s more likely he was just trying to avoid it becoming a difficult interview; he’s acknowledged it’s a real issue for him in the past. Thinking that he can play as many games, and play them as well, while carrying that much extra wait, is just denying reality.

        I’m hoping that now that he’s in camp, and surrounded by constant feedback to be more responsible, he will lose a bunch of weight by opening day. Losing weight during the season, though, has got to be a distraction in its own right. I would think it would hugely impact concentration, and probably strength and energy, too, if you’re constantly burning more calories than you’re taking in. The time to deal with weight issues really is the off season.

      • crisisjunky - Feb 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM


        All the salad, berries, lentil soup and sprouted tortillas with soy cheese in the hemispere..

      • seeingwhatsticks - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:29 AM

        I don’t necessarily disagree with your main point, that he’s a professional and should be in better shape just as a way of showing he takes his responsibility seriously. I will say that I don’t think the weight effects his play all that much. As I said above, he’s pretty nimble for a guy his size and while he’s not a Gold Glove caliber 3B he’s significantly better than Miguel Cabrera. Even with the weight he has pretty good range, reaction time, and a great arm.

        Having said that, the fact that he can get away with it now doesn’t mean he can get away with it 5 years from now when it’ll be much harder for him to lose the weight. It’s definitely in his best interests to lose the weight now when he’s young and his metabolism makes it easier. Personally I don’t think his size impacts his play a whole lot (although it’s not like we have a before and after sample for comparison). The bigger issue is whether the weight and his overall conditioning impacts his ability to be on the field or whether it makes him more susceptible to fatigue and muscle problems. At least for now it doesn’t seem like the weight takes away any of his energy.

  11. mojosmagic - Feb 17, 2013 at 9:45 AM

    Let the man eat.

  12. misterchainbluelightning - Feb 17, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Did or does Prince Fielder, CC Sabathia, Terry “Fat tub of goo/.397 lifetime” Foster, Sid Fernandez, Mo Vaughn, Livan Hernandez, David Wells, John Kruk, Cecil Fielder, Miggy (Miggy!), Boog Powell, Hack Wilson, Kirby Puckett, Tony Gwynn or the Babe have to deal with this garbage on a yearly basis? Winning World Series MVP and they can’t keep suggestions like this in house?

    Come on Giants, give it up or smarten up

    • historiophiliac - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:20 PM


    • crisisjunky - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:37 PM

      The Schnozz, Ernie Lombardi maybe the slowest guy of all time, was perhaps, the greatest and most consistent line drive hitter of all time as well.

      • crisisjunky - Feb 17, 2013 at 1:39 PM

        great piece on him in Bill James’ Historical Abstract

    • mazblast - Feb 18, 2013 at 8:54 AM

      Don’t forget Mickey Lolich. All he did was win three games in a World Series to bring the title to Detroit in 1968.

      And it’s “Forster”, not “Foster”.

  13. dirtydrew - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    He can lose 20 lbs in a month with his build. As he gets older, it may be problematic. But he not being in shape is costing him money .

  14. rmosss - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:17 PM

    He was quoted as saying he’d take the Nathan’s hot dog eating title from the champ and the asian guy. Said he’d not only win but he’d eat 12 more than the 2nd place guy.

    • manchestermiracle - Feb 17, 2013 at 12:29 PM

      And he looks like he’s well along in training for that….

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