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Five new players tied to Biogenesis clinic; sources say Gio Gonzalez did not purchase PEDs

Feb 19, 2013, 8:40 PM EDT

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From investigative reporters T.J. Quinn and Mike Fish of ESPN.com comes word that Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera, A’s left-hander Jordan Norberto, Astros outfielder Fernando Martinez, Padres right-hander Fautino De Los Santos and Mets outfield prospect Cesar Puello have also been discovered in the records of the Miami-based Biogenesis clinic.

The players “were on a list as having received performance-enhancing drugs” from the clinic’s director, Anthony Bosch, according to ESPN.com.

Also in the ESPN.com report is an update on Nationals left-hander Gio Gonzalez, whose name was discovered in the Biogenesis records by the Miami New Times last month. A source told Quinn and Fish that Gonzalez “did not receive banned substances from Bosch or the clinic” and is “the only Bosch client named thus far who did not receive performance-enhancing drugs.” Which would seem to implicate the other players who have been linked.

Gonzalez had urine and blood samples taken two days after that initial New Times article came out.

It’s quite clear that Quinn and Fish have well-connected sources, meaning there’s probably more to come.

  1. chill1184 - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    So should this Biogenesis Clinic story be voted as most interesting story of this past offseason?

    • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:01 PM

      I haven’t seen anything interesting yet….just a bunch of innuendo and here say, not a single verifiable fact.

      It cracks me up that the amount of evidence linking all of these guys to PEDs can fit in one manila folder and everyone believes they are guilty….and the amount of evidence for the effect of anthropogenic activities on climate change could fill the NY public library a dozen times over and most American’s still don’t believe it (and prefer the narrative spun by those getting rich off of screwing the place up).

      • historiophiliac - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:07 PM

        “here say”? What’s the “there say”?

      • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:10 PM

        heresay, theresay, everywhereasaysay

      • stercuilus65 - Feb 20, 2013 at 2:25 AM

        With advocates like “Paperlions” climate change science doesn’t need enemies.

      • paperlions - Feb 20, 2013 at 7:10 AM

        There is a logic fail for you.

        The point, obviously, is that people (like you, again, obviously) would rather believe what is convenient for you to believe (which usually involves a refusal to change ones mind, even when the currently held opinion is based on no information whatsoever) rather than what the evidence supports. It is the same with the attitude of Americans toward evolution, which is characterized as a debate in science, when the debate about if evolution occurs ended in the middle of the 19th century, since then the entire discussion has been about how it happens. Nonetheless, many choose to think its existence is actively debated by those that study it so they can continue to think what they want to.

        With attitudes like this, society really doesn’t have a chance with such high population levels.

      • anxovies - Feb 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM

        It is well known in the legal profession that information from an anonymous source is a valid exception to the hearsay rule.

      • El Bravo - Feb 20, 2013 at 11:58 AM

        Paper you make fair points, but I’m not a baseball writer or a journalist of any sort and so I don’t have to preserve my integrity or wait for further evidence. I can throw my opinion around these comments like they are worth nothing, b/c well let’s face it, they are. So, in that vein, these fuckers cheated and you know it. The amount of accusations of PED use in all sports over the last 20 years that turned out wrong (i.e. zero by my count) should show you that. That also counts as evidence to me. Everyone accused always says they didn’t use, and the facts have bourn out (where possible) that they did use. I call that a “common theme” body of evidence.

  2. stex52 - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:46 PM

    Oh great. The only Astros outfielder with OPS over .700 may be taking a break. Well, maybe he should go play for Spain in the WBC after all. He could be taking a hiatus.

    • voteforno6 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:02 PM

      Not necessarily. If all they have are these documents, then I don’t think there’s enough to suspend anyone, even Alex Rodriguez. All we’ve seen are handwritten notes, apparently from Anthony Bosch. I would hope that they would need corroborating information before they could suspend anyone.

      • natslady - Feb 20, 2013 at 6:01 AM

        The latest article said they had computerized records, but even those are chancy, using nicknames (“Gladiator” for Gio? More probably for his father, Max=Maximo? who went there for weight loss) and misspelling the names of substances. I don’t know about the documents, but the clinic and the “doctor” don’t inspire confidence.

        And, I know it takes time to do “investigative reporting.” But it’s curious that just as this was out of the headlines and we were on to the usual spring training bravado, injuries and clubhouse sniping–here comes Biogenesis again.

    • cur68 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM

      I get the sneaking feeling that some kid named Tuiasosopo is going to be behind all of this.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:53 PM

        Booooo!

      • El Bravo - Feb 20, 2013 at 12:00 PM

        Tuiasosopoooooooooooooooooooooo!

    • jeffa43 - Feb 20, 2013 at 1:29 AM

      Dump him and move on. By the time we are of any importance we won’t remember Martinez, and he never had a chance to be part of the good Astro team 2 to 3 years out.

      He was just a filler in the 2 year building process.

  3. ningenito78 - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:49 PM

    Also implying Fransisco Cervelli is full of crap.

  4. brewcrewfan54 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:03 PM

    The weekly Biogenesis name leaking. Can ya just release all the names already to spare us from this?

  5. FinFan68 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    They should either release all the names are once or not To all. Waiting a few days between releasing the names found on the same documents weeks ago is lame sensationalism and profiteering. Tell the story and move on. The money angle being used just removes whatever credibility they may still have at ESPN.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:18 PM

      I brought up the same thing on another thread. Are these guys purposley holding back names just to keep their story going longer? Its pathetic and sad if that’s what they’re doing. Although I don’t expect anything less out of ESPN anymore.

      • natslady - Feb 20, 2013 at 6:02 AM

        Sorry, didn’t see your post when I said the same above… dribbling it out to get headlines. (Or so it seems).

    • bjbeliever - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM

      what credibility?

  6. brewcrewfan54 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    And by the way, I can also write a bunch of names down in a notebook and put cash figures next to them. Doesn’t really mean anything. While he likely sold these guys PEDs I’d like to see some actual proof.

    • stercuilus65 - Feb 20, 2013 at 2:27 AM

      Do you also run an infamous roid business Raun apologist?

      • brewcrewfan54 - Feb 20, 2013 at 2:29 PM

        No I’ve actually always said Braun is likely guilty.

  7. wiscotom - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    If these new guys are using steroids… they aren’t working.

    • vallewho - Feb 19, 2013 at 11:40 PM

      Refunds?

  8. badintent - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:08 PM

    Jose Cancesco wants an explanation. So does his brother

    • brewcrewfan54 - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:12 PM

      I don’t get it.

      • badintent - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:47 PM

        The clinic wasn’t in his boook, Juiced , so he can’t make a$$ buck on it . And he can’t send his brother to make an appearance for him to cover his ass either ( like the MMA fight scam ).

  9. tfbuckfutter - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    I heard rumors that Alfredo Aceves might be named in one of these probes, but after testing him they found he only had excessive amounts of Midol in his system because he’s always on his goddamned period.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:27 PM

      Man, that must totally mess with his Period Tracker app.

      • stlouis1baseball - Feb 20, 2013 at 10:18 AM

        You might be suprised to know that I too am a fan of Braunschweiger.
        A Braunschweiger sandwich with Mayo and Onion…outstanding.
        And it will give a beer a fit!
        Your Dad sounds like he knows what he is doing.

  10. Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 9:24 PM

    I do hope that the blood and urine were taken in separate drawings, or else Gio is going to have some explaining to do to his supposedly steady squeeze.

  11. dcfan4life - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM

    An story that had the complete lack of evidence on Gio Gonzalez is now flat out saying he didn’t receive anything. So when will these sports writers come out and say their sorry for ever implicating him. I mean most of you never said “there is zero evidence against Gio” but rather said “his name is on reports”. I mean its pathetic that todays sports writers dont read full report findings themselves before they write articles.

    • brewcrewfan54 - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:18 PM

      How can they read full report finding when the report is leaked little by little over several weeks? And don’t get so offended because Gio is one of your guys. Guys have been getting put through the wringer since BALCo and there’s not always been proof.

      • dcfan4life - Feb 20, 2013 at 7:59 AM

        To some degree your right. We dont have all the facts. However, from day one, it was reported that Gio’s name showed up in an area like notes. Not in a ledger, not in a receipt, not as a patient, not as a client, not truly affiliated with them in any way. And most sports writers never said that in their articles referring to him. Thats why im offended, not because he is on my team, but because there was never anything there and some writers just used his name for their own personal gains.

    • Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:19 PM

      An apology from a spawrtrighter? Surely thou jesteth. One of those could accidentally push an elderly spinster in a wheelchair down a flight of stairs and not apologize.

  12. BigBeachBall - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:17 PM

    This baseball steroid era is equivelant to a bunch of kids cheating together on a take home test. Except those kids have wives, children, and mortgages.

  13. sdemp - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:29 PM

    Why is MLB always going out of their way to dig for more evidence. . .

    Once you are linked to PED’s it doesn’t really matter, you’ve already been labeled. This witch hunt MLB has to prove they can bust players only ends up hurting the game, not the player.

    I’m pretty sure MLB players are not the only athletes using PED’s, I could be wrong.

    • dluxxx - Feb 20, 2013 at 11:44 AM

      I’m of a mind that I could really care less one way or the other if someone is using PEDs. But then again, I don’t look at these players as heros or above me in any way (besides athletic ability). Even if I used PEDs and trained 80 hours a week I *still* wouldn’t be able to play professional baseball. I get that, and I’m fine with it.

      With that said, the reason baseball is doing this “witch hunt” is that they are trying to stop PED use for those who *do* care about such things. If they just ignore it, then they’re approving of it. If they can dig down enough and enough players are implicated, punished, etc… they’re hoping that they can stem the use of said PEDs.

      They’re pretty much stuck fighting this war. Sure it isn’t good for the game, but it would be worse if they ignored it….

  14. brianc6234 - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:31 PM

    My source says Gio Gonzalez did buy PEDs. Don’t even talk about unnamed sources on this story though. It’s about players on a list. I bet they can find all kinds of sources who says a specific player didn’t do it. Being on the list doesn’t really prove anything but it makes the players look bad.

  15. mj1818 - Feb 19, 2013 at 10:54 PM

    This seems so hard to believe that players would actually do something like this after the BALCO investigation.

  16. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 19, 2013 at 11:07 PM

    I hope that picture is something Drew made as a spoof in his basement. If a real doctor keeps records in pencil using nicknames, this case has less leg than…never mind…probably too soon for that one.

    • paperlions - Feb 20, 2013 at 7:16 AM

      You would hope so….but that is an actual image of one of the documents.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 20, 2013 at 8:01 AM

        Danny? Melky? Does he use medical charts or baseball cards?

    • The Baseball Gods - Feb 20, 2013 at 8:22 AM

      You do realize that Melky is his real name, right?

  17. historiophiliac - Feb 19, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    Thanks, Drew! Makes up for the injury report. :)

  18. halohonk - Feb 20, 2013 at 1:34 AM

    No Angels? no Trout? no Hamilton? no Albert? No Shit! Best clean team in baseball. Lets play ball!

    • stercuilus65 - Feb 20, 2013 at 2:32 AM

      Famous last words…

      • paperlions - Feb 20, 2013 at 7:22 AM

        Exactly….every time there is a report I start in internal chant (similar to the “no whammies, no whammies, no whammies” chant from press your luck) that no Cardinals are on the list….especially considering that Jon Jay is from Miami, played for the UM baseball team, and was a Braun team mate.

  19. echech88 - Feb 20, 2013 at 7:55 AM

    So doesn’t claiming Gio is clean pretty much wreck the credibility of this whole stupid list in the first place?

    Evidence against Gio was stronger than it is against some of these other names on a piece of paper. Why should we believe any of it then if 2 weeks ago we were convinced Gio MUST have been guilty since his name was on this list?

    This story is on its last legs. Nobody cares.

  20. motobus - Feb 20, 2013 at 8:21 AM

    What kind of professional dealing with these products uses the term performance enhancing drugs

  21. goodellisruiningtheleague - Feb 20, 2013 at 9:03 AM

    Craig is furious Gio was cleared

  22. DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 20, 2013 at 9:20 AM

    Just saying Nats fans…..aside from the trolls, no one ever mentions Gio as being guilty. In fact, almost every article puts him in a seperate bucket from the others. You guys really outta just chill.

    (waiting to be slammed by Nats fans)

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