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Phillies “aggressively in pursuit” of Giancarlo Stanton? Um, OK.

Feb 19, 2013, 2:00 PM EDT

This was a thing that was tweeted:


I cannot see any possible scenario that has the Phillies landing Stanton from the Marlins absent a direct cash payoff to Jeff Loria in an amount that exceeds the amount in treasuries of multiple oil emirates. And even then it strains credulity because Stanton isn’t 37 years old and past his prime.

Apart from (a) the Marlins not wanting any of the high price talent that Phillies might try to trade; and (b) the Phillies not having any stud prospects which would otherwise be required to land the best young slugger around,  this seems like a great plan.

But hey, I suppose weirder things have happened. Don’t know what, but I’m supposing it.

  1. digbysellers - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM

    I am aggressively pursuing my whiz wit right now as I type this and laugh out loud at the possibility.

    • stlouis1baseball - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM

      I am not sure what a “whiz wit” is. But if you are agressively pursuing it I am not comfortable with you communicating with us while doing so.

      • digbysellers - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:32 PM

        Alas as a fellow Cards fan you make me very sad that you don’t know what that is…you feel shame.

      • bronxbomber213 - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM

        Dude dont ever go to Philly and try to order a cheesesteak! You’ll be getting sent to the back of the line all day!

    • stlouis1baseball - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:53 PM

      You will have to forgive me Sellers. I have never been to Philadelphia.
      Hell…I only accidentally drove into the State of Pennsylvania on my way to Wheeling, WV.
      But based upon your post (along with Bronxbomber)…I gather it is a sandwich of some kind? Hahaha!

      • indaburg - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:24 PM

        In English, he ordered his cheesesteak with Cheese Whiz and onions. If you hesitate or order incorrectly at Pat’s, they order you to go to the back of the line. You know how the city of brotherly love is. I’ve been there once, and I was tutored while waiting on line by my PA born and bred spouse on how to order correctly so I didn’t embarrass him.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:31 PM

        That doesn’t sound as good as the Cuban sandweesh.

      • deathmonkey41 - Feb 19, 2013 at 7:09 PM

        Geno’s & Pats= highly overrated tourist attractions. There are much better cheesesteaks in and around the city.

    • stlouis1baseball - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:32 PM

      Cheese Whiz? Really? Freaking Cheese Whiz? I didn’t realize they still sold that crap.
      Let alone put it on a sandwich.

      • historiophiliac - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:20 PM

        Please, my dad still tries to sell Braunschweiger as pâté.

      • deathmonkey41 - Feb 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM

        Slathered on with a paint mixing stick- don’t knock it til you tried it.

      • tuberippin - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:07 PM

        Missouri isn’t exactly known for healthy eating habits either.

      • skerney - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:27 PM

        Whiz is the only cheese to get on your steak. Provolone, American, pepperjack, et al just expose you as an amateur.

  2. ame123 - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    Yet you giddily made a post about this anyway, huh Craig. Nice shot at the Phils being over the hill there too, very clever of you.

    • El Bravo - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM

      It was pretty witty and smooth wasn’t it? No sarcasm required.

    • tuberippin - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:08 PM

      Craig puts too much of an emphasis on bad-mouthing anything to do with the Phillies. I really thought such a notion was overblown when I first started visiting the site, but apparently I am being proven wrong.

      • stex52 - Feb 19, 2013 at 8:37 PM

        Let me hop in on this one. I have no negatives on the Phils. Houston and Phillie had a nice, clean rivalry for many years. But the Phans here have a curious combination of optimism and self-criticism that makes them a lot of fun to troll. Hell, they spend half their time trolling themselves.

        Combine that with Craig being a Braves fan, and he just can’t resist.

      • stlouis1baseball - Feb 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM

        “Missouri isn’t exactly known for healthy eating habits either.”

        On point. But please know I am not from Missouri.
        Indiana…born and bred.
        Deep Fried Pork Tenderloins…Deep Fried Blue Gill…Corn and Sugar Cream Pie.
        So yeah…Indiana isn’t known for the healthiest eating habits either. Hahahaha!

        Most importantly…I was NOT bashing the sandwich or the States eating habits.
        I was really just cracking on the the Cheese Whiz specifically.
        But I will try anything. If I am ever in the area I am down with it.

  3. somekat - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:08 PM

    Phils give up 4 bags of baseballs, 2 bags of gloves, and 48 new bats?

    Probably the most value in their farm system right now

    • Ben - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:12 PM

      They might need those bags of baseballs–Stanton has a tendency to go through them pretty quickly. Given that, I’m not sure the Phillies have enough in their farm system anymore, which conclusively debunks this rumor, IMHO.

  4. echech88 - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:10 PM

    Trading Stanton within the division for 10 cents on the dollars would be the worst thing Loria—no, wait, this makes sense.

    Fits the “I hate my own fans” M.O. perfectly.

  5. csndrew - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    The tweet is probably accurate. The Phillies are probably doing everything in their power to land Stanton. Unfortunately, the Marlins would never let it happen.

    • greymares - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:16 PM

      No way the Marlins have never done anything stupid, right ?

      • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:28 PM

        Well, not THAT stupid.

  6. cur68 - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    This just in:

    -cur68 is aggressively in pursuit if Jessica Alba

    /re-reads restraining order. Sighs mightily

    • indaburg - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM

      Alba’s husband might kick your ass too. Best stick to stalking Minka. Hey… I just noticed that you seem to have a thing for Jeter’s exes..

      • cur68 - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:30 PM

        I wasn’t aware Jessica had a husband. Pity. I shall have to cross her from the list: my ass is too easily kicked.

        As to the Jeets angle, I do in fact prefer women who’ve dated El Capitan. It shows a remarkable lack of sense. I’m targeting girls who’ve made a terrible mistake and are looking for a much more reasonable relationship. Not unlike The BeaverMen targeting certain Feesh players.

      • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

        Well, Jeter does seem to have some pretty good taste in women….so a correlation there isn’t surprising.

      • indaburg - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM

        True, ‘lions, but there are many good looking women Jeter hasn’t dated. I think unclemoses is right on. It’s the basket.

      • unclemosesgreen - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:37 PM

        Cur – you know you just want a gift basket.

      • cur68 - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM

        I would never take away a hard earned trophy from these ladies. Any one of them with a gift basket went through HELL to get it. It is hers and she has my respect for doing something I would never do. Not for any money, or even if the fate of the Earth hung in the balance.

      • flosox - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        “As to the Jeets angle”…

        We all know he has no “angle” on the field, slight side to side movements only. Good thing he has it off the field

      • cur68 - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM

        Jeet’s angle involves glaring at whatever player is 2nd closest to the ball. If to his right: ARod. If in front: any pitcher not named “Rivera” “Sabbathia” or “Pettite”. If to the left: ARod. If behind: ARod. If right at him: whoever “dropped” his jump throw four feet in the dirt in front of the fielder.

      • deathmonkey41 - Feb 19, 2013 at 7:14 PM

        And you know you can impress them with cab fare and a basket of sh#t the next morning.

  7. indaburg - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM

    The odds of Gleeman landing Kunis are better than this.

  8. greymares - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Whistling past the graveyard Craig ?

  9. darthicarus - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM

    Luckily Delmon Young plays stands in LF so no worries there

  10. Jeremiah Graves - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:21 PM

    RA: “Hey Jeffrey…Ruben Amaro here.”
    JL: “Hey Rube…what’s the happy-haps?”
    RA: “Riiiiiight. Um, I’m just calling to kick the tires on Stanton.”
    JL: “Stanton, oh no…you’re barking up the wrong tree. Kid is a winner. He’s a big part of this ball club. He’s our future. He’ll be with us for years.”
    RA: “What if I offer you Rollins and Halladay.”
    JL: “No way, Bro…they’re old and busted.”
    RA: “Chase Utley and Dom Brown?”
    JL: “How is that any better?”
    RA: “Chase Utley was pretty popular on “It’s Always Sunny”…gotta hit that youth demographic and all.”
    JL: “Tempting, but I think I’ll pass.”
    RA: “Cliff Lee and $60M to cover part of his salary.”
    JL: “Pass.”
    RA: “Dumptruck full of gold?”
    JL: “Nope.”
    RA: “Warehouse full of fancy artwork.”
    JL: “No.”
    RA: *sigh* “How’s about for a bag of magic beans.”

    *Three Minutes of Dead-Air*

    JL: “I’m listening…”
    RA: “Really?! I mean…yeah, really!”
    JL: “What kind of beans?”
    RA: “Ummm…art beans?!”
    JL: “DEAL!”

    • IdahoMariner - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM

      now, this is the closest to reasonable i have seen anyone get. everyone always analyzes the stanton rumors as though loria makes sense. no, no he doesn’t. no one really knows why he does these things. so, maybe he does trade stanton to philly, maybe for a pile of magic beans, maybe in exchange for ruben dressing up in the gimp outfit from pulp fiction and letting loria boss him around for a week. who knows? that guy is inexplicable – greedy sociopath, yes, but also acts weirdly counter to his best financial interests – like it’s no fun if he just straight makes money, he has to do it in the weirdest, most tortured means possible, preferablly in a way that makes a lot of people hate him – so long as they are talking and writing about him. (please see: stadium financing, trading away the team, destroying expos) just putting a quality product on the field and selling tickets is to frickin’ boring for loria. i say he trades stanton in a fit of pique in may, in exchange for his own space shuttle. wait, no. too obvious. see, it’s just too easy to think in terms of “it has to be big and worth a ton of money” ….

  11. thebadguyswon - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    Pipedream. Philly doesnt have the goods.

    • Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM

      Pipedream. At least one of the five or so remaining Feesh fans (the ones on line for single game tickets last week) is crazy enough and rich enough to take out a contract on Scrooge McLoria, and Scrooge McLoria knows it.

    • thebadguyswon - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:18 PM

      I will now invite the 1 down voting Phils fan to explain how exactly the Phillies, with their old team and barren farm, can pull this off. I will wait.

  12. Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM

    My latest Ouija Scrabble partner – Giraldus of Cracow, author of the lost volume Speculum Angelorum et Hominis and culinary advisor to William Butler Yeats – predicted that by the time spring training has ended, every single team in MLB will have been rumored to be eagerly pursuing the Iron Giant. The poor guy is going to wind up feeling like a woodcock at a falconer’s convention.

    • stlouis1baseball - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:16 PM

      The only thing I understood (out of your entire post)…was the falconer’s convention.
      That…and a reference to Andre the Giant.

  13. unclemosesgreen - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    Domonic Brown and Phillippe Aumont plus a couple of prospects might be enough to pay that freight. Crazier things have happened, and you can certainly argue that Stanton’s trade value has never been higher.

    • Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:41 PM

      Then again, from what I have been reading, and reading, and reading, and reading, and reading, there seems to be a glut of Iron Giant on the market these days.

      • unclemosesgreen - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

        OG – I meant to see if you’d weighed in yet on the … food supply chain problems in your wife’s native land as it relates to Philly phans’ phavorite phood.

      • Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:36 PM

        Heh heh, I’ve been thinking about it – but the investigation is ongoing, there are nauseating revelations every day, British beef has always been tasteless and chewier than apricot leather anyway, and why waste some great jokes on spring training? Let it play out. I’ve got to fill up 164 games worth of commentary again this season.

    • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:53 PM

      The only way the Phillies could possibly get Stanton is if the Marlins didn’t ask any other team to see if they could get a better offer. There are at least 20 teams that could offer the Marlins far more cheap talent (either young MLB players or prospects) than the Phillies can….and that number is probably closer to 29 than it is to 20. The Phillies simply don’t have the assets the Marlins are looking for.

      • unclemosesgreen - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:00 PM

        Only Miami-Dade county has the assets that the Marlins are looking for and the desire and ability to spend those assets as prudently as a sailor on shore leave.

        Domonic Brown and Phillippe Aumont are still highly thought of in prospecting circles, and shouldn’t be overlooked as part of an acceptable haul for Stanton. Not all, just part.

      • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:10 PM

        The Phillies don’t have a single young cheap stud as the center piece though…and rumors were that the Marlins would require two such center pieces…not just one.

        Aumont is a relief pitcher…relief pitchers have little value…as most decent pitching prospects that fail as starters can be useful relievers.

        Brown is looked at as a possible change of scenery reclamation project…but he has no defensive value and will have to mash to be worth something….he’s in “last chance” territory…not center piece of a deal for a 23 yr old stud territory.

      • Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:37 PM


        Think about it.

      • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

        Derp…yeah, 28.

      • kirkvanhouten - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:14 PM

        “Domonic Brown and Phillippe Aumont are still highly thought of in prospecting circles”

        Domonic Brown is absolutely NOT considered a highly thought of prospect anymore.

        He’s 25…awfully long in the tooth for a highly thought after prospect. Especially one with a .703 OPS in nearly 500 PAs and two straight not-so-hot AAA seasons.

    • kirkvanhouten - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM

      “Domonic Brown and Phillippe Aumont plus a couple of prospects might be enough to pay that freight”

      Does Dom Brown have any value at all anymore? He’s going to be 25, his last two stints in AAA have been less than impressive (.764 OPS!), and hasn’t shown he has the ability to hit MLB pitching at all. Amount is a reliever whose ability to strikeout batters is only rivaled by his ability to walk them.

      Who else is there? Jesse Biddle maybe? The kid hasn’t thrown a pitch past A-ball. Am I really going to give up a man who lead the league in slugging percentage, is under team control for 4 more years for that package?

  14. summeroftony - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:45 PM

    I can’t possibly see how this could get done but it would be amazing. Go Phils!

  15. mpilatzke - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM

    Did anyone here consider the source??? The local Sports Guy??? When was last time the local Sports Guy scooped ESPN, Fox, and NBC/HBT. Right… I take this a little more seriously when something comes from Buster or Jayson Stark…

  16. rjmarrella - Feb 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM

    WIP isn’t very good w their rumors being accurate. until Salisbury or Murphy report it, believe what you want. besides, what do we give him?

  17. danielponce - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:05 PM

    this is expos 2.0
    loria does a bunch of stuff to get in “trouble”
    selig kicks him out after rays, with help from mlb, buy marlins from him for 1billion
    league contracts oakland and tb.

  18. lroc20 - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:17 PM

    The deal would have to start w Jesse Biddle then add all the other names thrown out here plus $

    • Old Gator - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

      For me, the deal would have to start with 72 virgins. If I’m going to commit business suicide, I want to be rewarded in heaven.

  19. tcostant - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I’ll gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today…

  20. randygnyc - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM

    Phillies could trad Halliday or lee and pick up 95% of the contract. Howard too. Same terms. Effectively the marlins could get too MLB players for very little money. This is the only way this sort of deal gets done. Question is, how quickly does Selig annul the deal?

    • kirkvanhouten - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      So, let’s say Halladay and Howard:

      That means the Phillies would get Stanton and, if they’re paying 95% of their salary, would effectively be paying him $43 million dollars.

      The Marlins get Halladay and Howard, paying them $2.5 million, (nearly $2 million more than Stanton is set to make this year) whose collective WAR was much, much lower than Stanton’s.

      Impossibly enough, you have managed to concoct a scenario which would be the worst trade in baseball history *for both teams*. I applaud you sir.

  21. mojosmagic - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    Would that upset you Craig? Now your an expert on the what the Phillies have in their farm system? Philly has been home to some fantastic baseball writers like Jason Stark and it would behoove you to take a page from their book and stop rooting for your hometown team while masquerading as an unbiased journalist.

    • Craig Calcaterra - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:48 PM

      Why don’t you educate me and tell me what the Phillies have that would make the Marlins trade them Giancarlo Stanton.

      • stlouis1baseball - Feb 19, 2013 at 3:57 PM

        They apparently have something called a Whiz Wit.
        Based upon a couple of posts…
        I understand a Whiz Wit might be worth Giancarlo (don’t call me Mike) Stanton.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

        Mystery Team

  22. unlost1 - Feb 19, 2013 at 4:21 PM

    Request denied

  23. DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:00 PM

    “I cannot see any possible scenario that has the Phillies landing Stanton”

    Look folks, if Craig says it isn’t happening (Mystery Team), then it isn’t happening (Mystery Team). The guy does this for a living (Mystery Team), and he has lots of sources (Mystery Team). I would love to see Stanton a Phillie (Mystery Team), but it apparently (Mystery Team) it will not.

    • paperlions - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:58 PM

      Except, of course, it isn’t just Craig. The Phillies simply do not have the assets to trade for a player like Stanton. They used to have a strong system, and they traded it all away…and the more recently drafted guys haven’t developed as hoped (not surprising considering that they have drafted tools-heavy). If you asked every GM to rank the teams based on assets available that could net Stanton, Philly would be at or near the bottom of every single list.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Feb 19, 2013 at 7:07 PM

        To you: I say I do not believe the Phillies can pull off the trade

        To Craig: I also say the Phillies (Mystery Team) do not have enough (Mystery Team) to offer to the Marlins

  24. crankyfrankie - Feb 19, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    Look all Phillies fans would love to get Stanton in a Phillies uniform. It won’t be happening. Yes Loria has crapped all over the fans but even he has his limits. When he becomes a free agent the Phillies will be one of a number of teams anxiously waiting in line.

  25. scotttheskeptic - Feb 19, 2013 at 6:24 PM

    I addressed this in December. Loria convinces Miami-Dade to sell the bonds to cover Rollins’s contract AND buy out his 10/5 rights.
    At least that was my Christmas wish.

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