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	<title>Comments on: Adam Dunn, David Wright have strong words for PED users</title>
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		<title>By: stercuilus65</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That &quot;Gowachin&quot; line is still as witty, funny and fresh as it when it was posted 500 times ago...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8220;Gowachin&#8221; line is still as witty, funny and fresh as it when it was posted 500 times ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems like Calvin-Ball to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like Calvin-Ball to me.</p>
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		<title>By: zacksdad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zacksdad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so tired of hearing that I never failed a test.  But then when they fail a test, the test was bad.  Lance Armstrong was able to cheat all these years against one of the strongest testing bodies.  

You want to stop lumping the non-cheaters with the cheaters, then fight to have more punishment and more testing.

Here is Braun trying to use the media to clear his name, but then he chickened out on doing the DNA testing.

&quot;Sources also told Munson that there was doubt over whose urine was actually being tested. Braun offered to take a DNA test to confirm whose urine was in the sample, but Major League Baseball declined. However, an MLB source told ESPN&#039;s Mike Golic that Braun&#039;s side backed off of the offer to take a DNA test.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so tired of hearing that I never failed a test.  But then when they fail a test, the test was bad.  Lance Armstrong was able to cheat all these years against one of the strongest testing bodies.  </p>
<p>You want to stop lumping the non-cheaters with the cheaters, then fight to have more punishment and more testing.</p>
<p>Here is Braun trying to use the media to clear his name, but then he chickened out on doing the DNA testing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sources also told Munson that there was doubt over whose urine was actually being tested. Braun offered to take a DNA test to confirm whose urine was in the sample, but Major League Baseball declined. However, an MLB source told ESPN&#8217;s Mike Golic that Braun&#8217;s side backed off of the offer to take a DNA test.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I don&#039;t understand your point.  Guys in the 60s and 70s were openly using PEDs compared to players hiding them now. So why all of the outrage all of a sudden?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I don&#8217;t understand your point.  Guys in the 60s and 70s were openly using PEDs compared to players hiding them now. So why all of the outrage all of a sudden?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed he is, according to Cot&#039;s: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/new-york-mets/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed he is, according to Cot&#8217;s: <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/new-york-mets/" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/national-league/new-york-mets/</a></p>
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		<title>By: zacksdad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zacksdad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@manchestermiracle:

That is part of my point.  If the &quot;majority&quot; of the players wanted more stringent testing, then they should be able to get it.  So since they fight for less testing and seem accept status quo, it leads me to believe the &quot;majority&quot; of players are cheating.  

If the non-cheaters were smart, they would push for better testing.  They make more money for their real abilities and can compete at a level playing field.  If they have to bat against the PED pitchers, their batting numbers go down.  Also their batting numbers look worse against the batting numbers of the PED batters.

So until there is outcry by players that allow for better testing, I will still believe the majority are cheaters.  I am an Angel fan, but more likely than not that Mike Trout uses some form of PEDs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@manchestermiracle:</p>
<p>That is part of my point.  If the &#8220;majority&#8221; of the players wanted more stringent testing, then they should be able to get it.  So since they fight for less testing and seem accept status quo, it leads me to believe the &#8220;majority&#8221; of players are cheating.  </p>
<p>If the non-cheaters were smart, they would push for better testing.  They make more money for their real abilities and can compete at a level playing field.  If they have to bat against the PED pitchers, their batting numbers go down.  Also their batting numbers look worse against the batting numbers of the PED batters.</p>
<p>So until there is outcry by players that allow for better testing, I will still believe the majority are cheaters.  I am an Angel fan, but more likely than not that Mike Trout uses some form of PEDs.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLooch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheLooch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the problem is not everyone is built like that big badass Adam Dunn that can just crush homeruns without even really trying ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem is not everyone is built like that big badass Adam Dunn that can just crush homeruns without even really trying <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: El Bravo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Bravo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[manchestermiracle:

Read my commentary again.  Where do I say remove testing completely from the MLB?  Do you work for FoxNews?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>manchestermiracle:</p>
<p>Read my commentary again.  Where do I say remove testing completely from the MLB?  Do you work for FoxNews?</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what&#039;s the solution? Not play, no big-league pay, throw away your dreams? Or maybe just take them out with a sniper rifle? I must disagree that cutting off your nose to spite your face is in any way a sane course of action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the solution? Not play, no big-league pay, throw away your dreams? Or maybe just take them out with a sniper rifle? I must disagree that cutting off your nose to spite your face is in any way a sane course of action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like the anti-Genealogy of Morals. Fascinating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like the anti-Genealogy of Morals. Fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EB:

The cops don&#039;t catch every speeder, in fact they don&#039;t catch a majority. So we should just stop enforcing the speed limits, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EB:</p>
<p>The cops don&#8217;t catch every speeder, in fact they don&#8217;t catch a majority. So we should just stop enforcing the speed limits, right?</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[zacksdad:

Perhaps there are many players pushing for more stringent testing, but they may very well be in the minority. When the candidate you voted for doesn&#039;t win does that mean you then consider yourself a supporter of the candidate who did? Not using PEDs, but also not seeing stricter testing, doesn&#039;t mean you should be lumped in with the cheaters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zacksdad:</p>
<p>Perhaps there are many players pushing for more stringent testing, but they may very well be in the minority. When the candidate you voted for doesn&#8217;t win does that mean you then consider yourself a supporter of the candidate who did? Not using PEDs, but also not seeing stricter testing, doesn&#8217;t mean you should be lumped in with the cheaters.</p>
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		<title>By: cur68</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cur68]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[El Bravo: your position on MLB testing is pretty close to mine. Its isn&#039;t perfect and we need to own up to that and be cautious with results. All results, though. Both positive and negative. Not only that, we need to see a greater focus on what is a PED and what is not. Greater use of logic and evidence rather than emotion and fad for testing guidelines would really be helpful here. 

Anyone that wants &quot;better testing&quot; though? Please, list what you think is &quot;better testing&quot;. The IOC standards and tests are the state of the art. That&#039;s what MLB uses with a few variations. International Cycling is the same way. In all cases there are cheaters caught and cheaters uncaught. The nature of this beast is that cheating is easy if you have the means and testing is beatable if you have some knowledge. Demanding &quot;better tests&quot; is demanding that science speeds up in an area where there are no life threatening &quot;greater good&quot; outcomes. 

Its sports and sporting outcomes. No lives hang in the balance. 

In the meantime, athletes will return positive tests, they will engage in the process, and they may be cleared or they may not. Absent all the facts and expertise, we have to put a certain amount of faith in the process. There really isn&#039;t anything better we could do beyond engaging in which hunts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Bravo: your position on MLB testing is pretty close to mine. Its isn&#8217;t perfect and we need to own up to that and be cautious with results. All results, though. Both positive and negative. Not only that, we need to see a greater focus on what is a PED and what is not. Greater use of logic and evidence rather than emotion and fad for testing guidelines would really be helpful here. </p>
<p>Anyone that wants &#8220;better testing&#8221; though? Please, list what you think is &#8220;better testing&#8221;. The IOC standards and tests are the state of the art. That&#8217;s what MLB uses with a few variations. International Cycling is the same way. In all cases there are cheaters caught and cheaters uncaught. The nature of this beast is that cheating is easy if you have the means and testing is beatable if you have some knowledge. Demanding &#8220;better tests&#8221; is demanding that science speeds up in an area where there are no life threatening &#8220;greater good&#8221; outcomes. </p>
<p>Its sports and sporting outcomes. No lives hang in the balance. </p>
<p>In the meantime, athletes will return positive tests, they will engage in the process, and they may be cleared or they may not. Absent all the facts and expertise, we have to put a certain amount of faith in the process. There really isn&#8217;t anything better we could do beyond engaging in which hunts.</p>
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		<title>By: manchestermiracle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[manchestermiracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OG, you refer to these Gowachin so often I had to go look it up.

From Wikipedia:

&quot;Gowachin are a fictional race of frog-like humanoids featured in the Frank Herbert books Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment. Herbert developed the race from a brief mention by Jorj X. McKie in the short story The Tactful Saboteur.&quot;

I&#039;ve read Herbert, but I must have missed those two.

&quot;The Gowachin regard their legal practices as the strongest evidence that they are civilized. Gowachin law is based upon the notion of a healthy disrespect for all laws; the purpose of this notion is to avoid the stultifying accretion of a body of laws and precedents that bind Gowachin mechanically. 

&quot;In a Gowachin trial, everything is on trial: every participant, including the judges; every law; even the foundational precept of Gowachin law. Legal ideas from other systems are turned on their head: Someone pronounced &#039;innocent&#039; (guilty in other terms) by the court is torn to pieces by angry spectators; judges may have bias (&#039;If I can decide for my side, I will&#039;), though not prejudice (&#039;I will decide for my side, regardless&#039;); defendant and plaintiff are chosen at trial by the side bringing the complaint choosing one role or the other; torture is permitted; and all procedural rules may be violated, but only by finding conflict within procedural rules&quot;

This may be only slightly more convoluted and time-consuming than the current state of affairs in the U.S. legal system, but it certainly resembles how many contentious conflicts are &quot;resolved.,&quot; particularly on the sports side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OG, you refer to these Gowachin so often I had to go look it up.</p>
<p>From Wikipedia:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gowachin are a fictional race of frog-like humanoids featured in the Frank Herbert books Whipping Star and The Dosadi Experiment. Herbert developed the race from a brief mention by Jorj X. McKie in the short story The Tactful Saboteur.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read Herbert, but I must have missed those two.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Gowachin regard their legal practices as the strongest evidence that they are civilized. Gowachin law is based upon the notion of a healthy disrespect for all laws; the purpose of this notion is to avoid the stultifying accretion of a body of laws and precedents that bind Gowachin mechanically. </p>
<p>&#8220;In a Gowachin trial, everything is on trial: every participant, including the judges; every law; even the foundational precept of Gowachin law. Legal ideas from other systems are turned on their head: Someone pronounced &#8216;innocent&#8217; (guilty in other terms) by the court is torn to pieces by angry spectators; judges may have bias (&#8216;If I can decide for my side, I will&#8217;), though not prejudice (&#8216;I will decide for my side, regardless&#8217;); defendant and plaintiff are chosen at trial by the side bringing the complaint choosing one role or the other; torture is permitted; and all procedural rules may be violated, but only by finding conflict within procedural rules&#8221;</p>
<p>This may be only slightly more convoluted and time-consuming than the current state of affairs in the U.S. legal system, but it certainly resembles how many contentious conflicts are &#8220;resolved.,&#8221; particularly on the sports side.</p>
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		<title>By: epi44</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t really see how their comments have all that much relevance in terms of what went on pre-testing or what the new &quot;punishments&quot; should be.

Wright came into the league after testing was already put into place, Dunn was just in the league a couple years at that time, so I don&#039;t really see them as guys who should have done something about the lack of testing years ago.  Besides, you can be against PEDs, be mad about players being falsely accused, hope users get caught, etc. and still think the current punishments themselves are ok.  And really short of maybe kicking guys out of the game after one positive test (which is extreme) there are always going to be people arguing punishments should be more severe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really see how their comments have all that much relevance in terms of what went on pre-testing or what the new &#8220;punishments&#8221; should be.</p>
<p>Wright came into the league after testing was already put into place, Dunn was just in the league a couple years at that time, so I don&#8217;t really see them as guys who should have done something about the lack of testing years ago.  Besides, you can be against PEDs, be mad about players being falsely accused, hope users get caught, etc. and still think the current punishments themselves are ok.  And really short of maybe kicking guys out of the game after one positive test (which is extreme) there are always going to be people arguing punishments should be more severe.</p>
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		<title>By: kjericho43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kjericho43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True. And through the way back machine till now, there were guys who weren&#039;t using anything, but knew there were others using on the field with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. And through the way back machine till now, there were guys who weren&#8217;t using anything, but knew there were others using on the field with them.</p>
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		<title>By: churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because players have been using performance enhancing substances for the last 40-50 years in baseball...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because players have been using performance enhancing substances for the last 40-50 years in baseball&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: scottp9</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scottp9]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From that I assumed he was with ACES, that agency that reps a number of players involved in PED scandals and was investigated in the wake of the Melky Cabrera fake-website scam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From that I assumed he was with ACES, that agency that reps a number of players involved in PED scandals and was investigated in the wake of the Melky Cabrera fake-website scam.</p>
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		<title>By: kirkvanhouten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kirkvanhouten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How can you trust a system that can’t ever be proven to fish out every single attempted cheater? If it isn’t at 100%, to me, that isn’t “trustworthy”, is all I’m saying.&quot;

I think in this case, the problem is less with the testing system and more with completely unrealistic expectations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can you trust a system that can’t ever be proven to fish out every single attempted cheater? If it isn’t at 100%, to me, that isn’t “trustworthy”, is all I’m saying.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think in this case, the problem is less with the testing system and more with completely unrealistic expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: zacksdad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the players that do not cheat and forced their own union to implement stronger testing for all players so that we could believe in the &quot;testing system&quot;, I would start to not lump all the players as cheats.  You want the cheats out, then push for the strongest testing possible.  Also by catching the real cheaters, it will allow the non-cheats to make more money.  When cheats have a PED year and get new inflated contracts, it takes potential money from the non-cheats.  

So in conclusion, I believe most players are taking PEDs because there is not an outcry for stronger testing.  Stronger testing helps players that do not take PEDs and only hurts the players that take them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the players that do not cheat and forced their own union to implement stronger testing for all players so that we could believe in the &#8220;testing system&#8221;, I would start to not lump all the players as cheats.  You want the cheats out, then push for the strongest testing possible.  Also by catching the real cheaters, it will allow the non-cheats to make more money.  When cheats have a PED year and get new inflated contracts, it takes potential money from the non-cheats.  </p>
<p>So in conclusion, I believe most players are taking PEDs because there is not an outcry for stronger testing.  Stronger testing helps players that do not take PEDs and only hurts the players that take them.</p>
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		<title>By: El Bravo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Bravo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly agree with that, but that gives me no reason to put full trust into it.  How can you trust a system that can&#039;t ever be proven to fish out every single attempted cheater?  If it isn&#039;t at 100%, to me, that isn&#039;t &quot;trustworthy&quot;, is all I&#039;m saying.  I do agree that it is certainly working to large extent and def beats the previous decades of no testing.  I love where the MLB is going on this front, but we shouldn&#039;t be so ready to bless it as infallible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree with that, but that gives me no reason to put full trust into it.  How can you trust a system that can&#8217;t ever be proven to fish out every single attempted cheater?  If it isn&#8217;t at 100%, to me, that isn&#8217;t &#8220;trustworthy&#8221;, is all I&#8217;m saying.  I do agree that it is certainly working to large extent and def beats the previous decades of no testing.  I love where the MLB is going on this front, but we shouldn&#8217;t be so ready to bless it as infallible.</p>
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		<title>By: bsbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bsbiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But as you pointed out, it wasn&#039;t the owners themselves who said, &quot;You know what? Some of this looks suspicious. We should talk to MLBPA and see if we can do something about this.&quot;  It took a threat by Congress to the owners&#039; Precious to start the PR war (which the players lost). There is no moral high ground in this. Absolutely none.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as you pointed out, it wasn&#8217;t the owners themselves who said, &#8220;You know what? Some of this looks suspicious. We should talk to MLBPA and see if we can do something about this.&#8221;  It took a threat by Congress to the owners&#8217; Precious to start the PR war (which the players lost). There is no moral high ground in this. Absolutely none.</p>
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		<title>By: kjericho43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kjericho43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see how some of these dudes who know they are clean can play on the same field with guys who they know AREN&#039;T. Especially the self righteous guys like the above mentioned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how some of these dudes who know they are clean can play on the same field with guys who they know AREN&#8217;T. Especially the self righteous guys like the above mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: El Bravo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Bravo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I think Braun likely did beat the system last year (and again, no proof, but there&#039;s mounting evidence).  That chain of custody portion of the rules was broken for sure if that is what got him off while he actually cheated (and I believe he did cheat).  MLB has since beefed up the chain of custody procedures, which means the MLB is going about this the correct way.  Sometimes they&#039;ll be a step ahead, and more often, they&#039;ll be a step behind.  This is not new.  The IOC has been dealing with this for a long time.  They retest every sample from two or three olympic games past once advanced tests become available and they find cheaters years after the fact.  Baseball will follow this course, which is the only viable and realistic course.  So yes, the system will always be imperfect, but it is not broken.  That said, that means I don&#039;t trust it, yet still see it&#039;s purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think Braun likely did beat the system last year (and again, no proof, but there&#8217;s mounting evidence).  That chain of custody portion of the rules was broken for sure if that is what got him off while he actually cheated (and I believe he did cheat).  MLB has since beefed up the chain of custody procedures, which means the MLB is going about this the correct way.  Sometimes they&#8217;ll be a step ahead, and more often, they&#8217;ll be a step behind.  This is not new.  The IOC has been dealing with this for a long time.  They retest every sample from two or three olympic games past once advanced tests become available and they find cheaters years after the fact.  Baseball will follow this course, which is the only viable and realistic course.  So yes, the system will always be imperfect, but it is not broken.  That said, that means I don&#8217;t trust it, yet still see it&#8217;s purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: kirkvanhouten</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kirkvanhouten]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How can we trust it? It has failed to find everyone who has cheated since it has been implemented.&quot;

Nothing, ever, in any way shape or form will catch everyone who cheated. 

I think we can all pretty much agree that steroid use is way down in MLB, and with the implementation of HGH testing, that will probably go down to.  With these results, we should absolutely trust the system because it seems to have been pretty effective in vastly reducing the number of players who use steroids in the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can we trust it? It has failed to find everyone who has cheated since it has been implemented.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing, ever, in any way shape or form will catch everyone who cheated. </p>
<p>I think we can all pretty much agree that steroid use is way down in MLB, and with the implementation of HGH testing, that will probably go down to.  With these results, we should absolutely trust the system because it seems to have been pretty effective in vastly reducing the number of players who use steroids in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: TIF</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TIF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Craig, really good points here.  I think it is a cop out for writers to simply lump a generation together and say they are all cheaters or consider all players guilty until proven innocent.  That being said, I don&#039;t know if the standard for determining that a player used PEDs must be that he was &quot;caught&quot; under the MLB testing system.  Players like Alex Rodriguez and Mark McGwire, who admitted to using PEDs but could not be punished under the MLB drug testing program, were still &quot;caught.&quot;  The problem I have is the writers&#039; treatment of players like Bagwell and Piazza, where there is no evidence linking them to PEDs other than writers&#039; speculations and assumptions without a basis in fact.  Bagwell being &quot;big&quot; and Piazza being an overachieving 62nd round pick should not be enough to label them as PED users.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, really good points here.  I think it is a cop out for writers to simply lump a generation together and say they are all cheaters or consider all players guilty until proven innocent.  That being said, I don&#8217;t know if the standard for determining that a player used PEDs must be that he was &#8220;caught&#8221; under the MLB testing system.  Players like Alex Rodriguez and Mark McGwire, who admitted to using PEDs but could not be punished under the MLB drug testing program, were still &#8220;caught.&#8221;  The problem I have is the writers&#8217; treatment of players like Bagwell and Piazza, where there is no evidence linking them to PEDs other than writers&#8217; speculations and assumptions without a basis in fact.  Bagwell being &#8220;big&#8221; and Piazza being an overachieving 62nd round pick should not be enough to label them as PED users.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Stowe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rich Stowe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The owners are too blame as well....however, when the owners did try to do something about it, the MLBPA said no.

it took MLB going in front of congress and being threatened to loss their anti-trust exemption (which would affect the players too) that the players finally agreed to do something (mainly because Selig was starting to look like a good guy by asking for testing with next to nothing for punishment and the players were still saying no).  Once the players realized they were losing the PR battle, they gave in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The owners are too blame as well&#8230;.however, when the owners did try to do something about it, the MLBPA said no.</p>
<p>it took MLB going in front of congress and being threatened to loss their anti-trust exemption (which would affect the players too) that the players finally agreed to do something (mainly because Selig was starting to look like a good guy by asking for testing with next to nothing for punishment and the players were still saying no).  Once the players realized they were losing the PR battle, they gave in.</p>
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		<title>By: scottgilroy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scottgilroy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Wright was referring the the Levinson brothers who represent him and a number of players in the Biogenisis case. The testing system will always be a battle since their is more money for those in the buisness of making the newer harder to detect PEDs,than in the testing program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Wright was referring the the Levinson brothers who represent him and a number of players in the Biogenisis case. The testing system will always be a battle since their is more money for those in the buisness of making the newer harder to detect PEDs,than in the testing program.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffa43</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeffa43]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[El Bravo.... If it does not work its broke, and those like Braun know it and trying to capitalize on a broken system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Bravo&#8230;. If it does not work its broke, and those like Braun know it and trying to capitalize on a broken system.</p>
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		<title>By: bsbiz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bsbiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;they (the players) were still the ones behind the guise of the MLBPA that prevented testing for over a decade.&quot;

All the while completely absolving the owners who did soooooooooooo much to stem the horde of roided up ballplayers from filling their stadia for that decade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they (the players) were still the ones behind the guise of the MLBPA that prevented testing for over a decade.&#8221;</p>
<p>All the while completely absolving the owners who did soooooooooooo much to stem the horde of roided up ballplayers from filling their stadia for that decade.</p>
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