Comments on: Octavio Dotel on Miguel Cabrera: “I don’t see him as a leader”

By: IdahoMariner

IdahoMariner — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:36:50 +0000

thanks!

By: Cereal

Cereal — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:59:14 +0000

Dotel looks a little like a fatter Dwight Gooden in that pic

By: Minoring In Baseball

Minoring In Baseball — Thu, 21 Feb 2013 01:40:19 +0000

Yeah, this is basically a d!ck move by Dotel. All players are differnt, and leaders don’t necessarily need to be the best players. Looking at hockey, it’s not always the leading scorers who are named captain. Calling team mates out in the press like this does nothing but get spring training off to a negative start, and this team does not need that at all. Maybe time for a ‘code red’ on Dotel…
http://minoringinbaseball.com/

By: shoehole

shoehole — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:59:46 +0000

Great post IdahoMariner. Earlier before this story was published, It was reported in the Tigers blog that Dotel got on Verlander and Fielder during the World Series for not being team leaders while the Tigers were losing the Series.

By: xjokerz

xjokerz — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:30:19 +0000

Lmao……. Miggy and Verlander 1a / 1b for the heart and soul of this time

Miggy might be going to jail tonight, but not for another DUI..beating the piss out of Dotel

what a loser

By: pellypell

pellypell — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:24:32 +0000

Miguel Cabrera on Octavio Dotel, “Who?”

By: jibzek

jibzek — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:54:30 +0000

He will lead you to Old Town Buffet and to a plate of delicious cheesy nachos.

As long as he keeps hitting .330 and cranks bombs like a stud, nobody will care? ie Manny, Albert Belle, etc.

Bad Boy Sluggaz.

By: misterchainbluelightning

misterchainbluelightning — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:00:20 +0000

Having a “leader” is baseball is vastly over-rated, and has little effect on the standings.

By: beelza

beelza — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:57:00 +0000

I’d like JV to tell him to shut the phuk up.

By: IdahoMariner

IdahoMariner — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:40:50 +0000

My only happiness in having Ichiro traded to the Yankees last year was that I would no longer have to read/hear about how Ichiro just wasn’t stepping up and being a leader. Apparently, it’s not enough that someone is present every day, demonstrates his commitment to the team and the sport by always being in peak physical form, always adhering to a training and flexibility regimen that ensured he was injured extremely rarely, could move at top speed through the outfield and around the bases, and picked up a bat to start practicing for the next season within a week of the old one. The man was one of the best hitters and defenders and baserunners in baseball for almost the entirety of his time with Mariners, and it apparently never occurred to many of his teammates to simply watch, mimic, steal, emulate what he was doing. Or ask him how he did what he did. As I understand the tradition in Japan, the older players lead by example, and it’s the younger ones’ job to ask, train, emulate Ichiro is a quiet guy, steeped in the tradition of a very tradition-oriented country. So, the criticism of some fans, one slightly racist local writer, eric wedge (who is just…so, so wrong on so many levels) and a couple of underperforming teammates just was tiring. So lame, so beside the point. Do your job, and if someone isn’t actively poisoning your workplace atmosphere, but is instead workng his ass off – shut up. Just, work.

I have nothing but loathing for what Miguel Cabrera is as a person off the field. But even I can see that he is a ridiculously talented hitter. But that is all he is. So, watch him hit and steal what you can from that – whether it’s his prep, or his swing, or that he watches video of pitchers – whatever it is that he does that contributes to being a great hitter. But ignore his baserunning and his fielding, and ignore what he is, or has been very recently, as a person. Don’t try to make someone something they don’t want to be. If he is a quiet guy, leave him alone to be a quiet guy – because if you force him to be something he’s not, you might get a side effect you weren’t looking for. He might become so uncomfortable in that role that his hitting starts to suffer. I don’t have a problem with that as a fan of a rival team, but i would think one of his teammates would want to avoid that.

By: Detroit Michael

Detroit Michael — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:39:17 +0000

Dotel sort of walked back these comments, but not really. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130220/SPORTS0104/302200400/1129/sports0104/Tigers-Octavio-Dotel-apologizes-Miguel-Cabrera-leadership-comments

“On the field, of course he’s our leader. He’s our horse.”

By: beelza

beelza — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:57:07 +0000

Apparently.Dotel has no problem making dumb-ass statements which will lead to him being booed mercilessly at Tiger Stadium. He’s a mediocre role player at 39 for 3.5 per. When deetroit fans turned on one-time folk hero Inge, they booed his ass down to Toledo and eventually off the roster-and for good reason. He made 2 really bad errors in one month that cost Verlander 2 wins. That was it. You mess with JV, Miggy the fans will be relentless. Dotel may not make it to the All-Star break if he doesn’t shut his donkey ass up. 13 teams, now we know why.

By: yankeepunk3000

yankeepunk3000 — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:43:30 +0000

Even if he shouldn’t open his mouth he’s not so off. Think about them in the World Series you’re down 3-0 to the Giants, you look to the leader, to your captain. You look at Miggy who just won the triple crown soon to be MVP one of the best in the game, and say what do we do man. How do we turn this around? I don’t think it’s too far off and yes Leader on a team is WAY overblown. Yet there is some truth too both sides. Dotel isn’t completely wrong. Though he shouldn’t have said it because some people just don’t have that voice in them like lets say Scuturo and Pence have for the Giants when they were riling them up before each game. Still Miggy is one of the best and in that they should follow in his performance.

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:29:27 +0000

He might have once…but he played for the Wilpoons for a while, didn’t he?

By: historiophiliac

historiophiliac — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:36:16 +0000

Doesn’t have it in him…

By: Old Gator

Old Gator — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:22:39 +0000

Well, Octavio, then why not just shut up, stop looking to cause problems in the clubhouse with your big mouth, and be the leader yourself?

By: louhudson23

louhudson23 — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:18:08 +0000

I don’t think Dotel is knocking him for not being a cheerleader. I think there are times when teams look to their best players for signals. When a star player keeps plugging,remains upright and demonstrates through his body language and attitude that he is there to win and that things will be fine,just keep busting your ass,we can do this and and that nothing is over till the last out and that he will go down fighting. Some great players pull their teams along with them,and others are just another player who can look as lost and bewildered as the the rest of the bench as they watch the ship sink ….no rah rah necessary…..just an attitude and body language can be enough….Cabrera is a very talented guy,but he isn’t “that” guy….

By: unclemosesgreen

unclemosesgreen — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 15:02:26 +0000

There are many kinds of leaders, maybe Miggy is one of those who lead quietly, by example of their consistent hard work and production.

Dotel is a different kind of leader – he leads the league in bridges burned.

By: xmatt0926x

xmatt0926x — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:54:49 +0000

I think most here agree that this guy should shut his mouth. I don’t care what line of work anyone is in. If it’s the type of atmosphere where there are certain people that become leaders then I think most people give little respect to the people who aren’t really leader types but attempt to act like they are, maybe because their boss asked them to do it. I think that type of insincere rah-rah thing from someone who’s not a natural leader is easy to spot for most people. Like Craig said, it would be great if the people who were the most talented were also your leaders but if it’s not in Cabrera then he should not attempt it. His teammates would love his bat buy roll their eyes at him every time he tried the phony cheerleading crap. Outside of having natural leaders on a team, it;s also a good thing for people to know their roles and Octavio should understand his place and shut the bleep up with the media about a player who will provide much more to their teams success than he will.

By: vincentbojackson

vincentbojackson — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:03:48 +0000

Rather have a guy speak with his bat than be a damn cheerleader.

C’mon Dotel, know your roll and stay in your lane.

By: papacrick

papacrick — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:48:40 +0000

Seriously, shut up dude

By: philliesblow

philliesblow — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:24:00 +0000

Some guys lead. Some guys hit the $^%#&@ out of the ball and win Triple Crowns & MVPs. Some guys need to just shut their journeyman trap and enjoy playing on a World Series contender.

By: uyf1950

uyf1950 — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:13:58 +0000

Who cares if he’s a leader. What important is he “IN THE BEST SHAPE OF HIS LIFE”. Sorry couldn’t resist that since the article came just after the J.J. Putz piece.

By: jrs45

jrs45 — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:09:36 +0000

Burn!

By: heyblueyoustink

heyblueyoustink — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 13:08:57 +0000

” No Si, mother#@&%*+ !”