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Yankees have “no interest” in Kyle Lohse

Feb 21, 2013, 10:15 AM EDT

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It’s now been one week since Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com wrote that Kyle Lohse “is almost certain to sign with a team soon” and he remains unsigned.

MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan reported yesterday that the Rangers “have not changed their position on their lack of interest” in Lohse and the Yankees still aren’t in the mix either, with Joel Sherman of the New York Post writing that general manager Brian Cashman “reiterated yesterday he has no interest.”

Cashman was asked about Lohse because Phil Hughes is out for at least two weeks with a bulging disk in his back. Lohse is the last of the unsigned free agents with draft pick compensation attached and agent Scott Boras got bigger-than-expected deals for Rafael Soriano and Michael Bourn, but more or less the only reports about Lohse all offseason have involved teams saying they aren’t interested.

  1. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    What did he do to the Cardinals to make them take this hard of a stance against him. They don’t actually have to give up a first round pick to sign him, and they lost Carpenter for the year. Loshe has been damned good for the past few years. What’s the deal??

    • icanspeel - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:38 AM

      Maybe Lohse just wants too much? Teams probably feel they have the leverage since it’s already spring training, but Lohse isn’t cracking.

    • bfunk1978 - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      They offered him $13M for a year (that’s what the qualifying offer was this year). He said no. My guess is that he wants that $13M/yr for 3-4 years, and the Cardinals really don’t need that. They’ve got a ton of young pitching.

      If he could hit and play 2B I think they’d take him up on it.

      • stlouis1baseball - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM

        What bfunk said.

    • bolweevils2 - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:47 AM

      Sure they have to give up a pick to sign him. They’d be giving up the pick they’ll be getting from another team if he signs with anyone else. They’ve just decided they’d rather have that pick than have Lohse.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

        You don’t get the other team’s picks if they sign a QO free agent, the pick just disappears. The team that lost the player gets a new pick in the “supplemental round”.

      • Jeremy T - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM

        his point still stands, since that’s still a pick that the Cards don’t get if they sign Lohse

    • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:43 AM

      Lohse has been good for two years. The other two years of his deal, most Cards fans thought he was terrible, mostly because he was injured all of the time. The Cardinals’ front office doesn’t really have anything against Lohse, per se, but instead have a plethora of young, cheap options who may or may not be better than Lohse, depending on how the chips fall.

      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 21, 2013 at 1:39 PM

        Still, over the last 2 years he gave the Cards 400 innings of 3.00ERA pitching. While ERA is not the only indicator of how well a pitcher performed, it is a decent record of what happened. And that is studly. Considering that he has already achieved a certain level of studliness, and considering that the best prospects rarely work out, let alone draft picks, are the Cards really getting better with a sandwich round pick over Loshe?

        While he turned down 1yr/$13MM, I can’t imagine he has been seeking $13AAV on his contract. I am guessing he wanted something like 3/$24, which would be a gretty good deal.

        What about the Pirates? They already have 2 protected top-ten picks in this draft, and a Jeff Karstens-sized hole in the back of their rotation.

      • ultimatecardinalwarrior - Feb 21, 2013 at 2:38 PM

        sabathia, I actually recommended the Pirates sign him in another comment yesterday. I think he’d be a great fit and might be the guy who pushes them over the top into a winning season, if not a playoff berth (the NL Central is going to be competitive this year, with the Reds on top, the Cardinals an 85-90 win team and Brewers playing .500 ball, in my opinion).

        Personally, I would be excited to have Lohse back, mostly due to two question marks (Garcia and Shelby Miller’s shoulders) and a dud (Jake Westbrook) in the rotation. I don’t think that the front office is thinking that way, and, while I don’t think they’re willing to punt this season, they’ll accept some lumps if it means giving some rookies an extended chance.

        Also, I’d bet Lohse and Boras were looking for $13 mil annual at least. I mean, going from $14 mil a year to $8 mil a year after coming off his best season isn’t what an agent is for, especially one like Boras. According to some Cardinals blogs, Lohse was asking for 5 years and willing to settle for 3-4. Now he’ll probably take 1/$8 mil just to get to spring training.

    • paperlions - Feb 21, 2013 at 12:22 PM

      The Cardinals don’t have a stand against him….they just have a crap ton of young, cheap talented pitchers. They have 3 guys competing for one spot, and each of them are capable of being a league average or better starter. There is just no reason for them to sign Lohse because they don’t currently need starting pitching….even without Carpenter, they are still swimming in starting pitcher depth right now.

  2. digbysellers - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    From everything I’ve read and heard about it, he didn’t do anything in particular to the Cards at all. He was a good player for them and all but it’s time to see what they’ve got in Miller, Kelly, and Rosenthal. There’s no doubt they’re thinking that at least two of them can give the team something close to what Lohse did last year but at a fraction of the cost. Yeah you can sign him for a discount right now, but why bother when you’ve got 3 guys already signed and the organization is high on each of them.

  3. uyf1950 - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:27 AM

    ” Brian Cashman reiterated yesterday he has no interest.” That should come as NO surprise to anyone. Boras is looking for a deal of at least 3 or 4 years AND Lohse is tied to the loss of a draft pick. The Yankees aren’t going to go 3 or 4 years for a 34 year old Lohse and they certainly aren’t going to give up the 27th pick in the draft for him.

  4. JustMeMike - Feb 21, 2013 at 10:44 AM

    Lohse’s age –
    Number of years desired –
    Cost

    Plus; 1st Round Draft picks – an irresistible lottery that GM’s love to play. And hate to toss away for a an expensive free agent. Consider that these players listed below were 1st round picks. Note, supplemental 1st round picks (awarded as compensation and to replace protected picks) are not included –

    2008
    Pedro Alvarez, Eric Hosmer, Brian Matusz, Buster Posey, Yonder Alonso, Gordon Beckham, Justin Smoak, Jemile weeks, Brett Wallace, Brett Lawrie, Ike Davis, Andrew Cashner, Ryan Perry, Lonnie Chisenhall

    2009
    Stephen Strasburg, Dustin Ackley, Zach Wheeler, Mike Minor, Mike Leake, Jacob Turner, Drew Storen, Aaron Crow, Shelby Miller, Mike Trout

    2010
    Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Drew Pomeranz, Matt Harvey, Yasmani Grandal,

    2011
    Trevor Bauer, Dylan Bundy

    Yes the Draft doesn’t always yield gems. quite often picks turn out to be worth less than a lump of coal. Or take an exceedingly long time to develop. So there’s no guarantee – just as there’s no guarantee about what Lohse might be worth down the road.

  5. riverace19 - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    This is the case where Scott Bor-ASS strategy is doubling back to bite him and his client. Nobody wants to deal with him, and throw in the draft pick for Lohse who has had success but doesn’t miss bats, an it’s buyer beware!

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:14 AM

      Yes, no one has signed a Boras client this year. It’s why Bourn and Soriano are still free agents and Prince Fielder has been sitting out for more than a year. Oh wait…

  6. greymares - Feb 21, 2013 at 11:08 AM

    the Yankees will show little interest in anything that cost money,going forward they are demonstrating they are not your daddy’s Yankees anymore. get used to it.

  7. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 21, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    If Loshe sits out until after the draft, the draft pick compensation goes away, right? Perhaps he should just wait until a a few of this year’s crop of James Andrews patients reveal themselves.

  8. cackalackyank - Feb 21, 2013 at 8:08 PM

    “Yankees have “no interest” in Kyle Lohse” …and probably wisely so…

  9. hitdog042 - Feb 22, 2013 at 9:17 AM

    In other words the Yankees have interest.

  10. slo2act - Feb 22, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    I met Kyle’s Father-in-Law on afternoon last fall, who proceeded to share with a number of people all kinds of “dirty laundry” about how bad theCardinals organization was (obviously from Kyle’s perspective). Dad in law also claimed that the real decisions of where players go are completely determined by MLB, and not the the actual teams. If Lohse actually had that kind of arrogant attitude about his club, and MLB as well, to me it’s no wonder the Cardinals don’t want him. And since it’s such a small league, who could blame the other teams as well. ….Just sayin…

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