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Stay classy, Joel Sherman

Feb 28, 2013, 8:30 AM EST

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I guess Joel Sherman of the New York Post decided that today was the day that he was really gonna put a middle reliever in his place. He spends a column calling Joba Chamberlain immature, saying that “the Yankees, as an organization, are tired of all the theatrics and untrustworthiness that comes with Chamberlain.”

Which, fine. It’s not exactly a newsflash that either Sherman himself and/or his sources on the Yankees don’t approve players who don’t  Know Their Place. If it wasn’t Joba it would have been someone else getting the “not a professional; not a True Yankee” treatment.  This, however, is a bit beyond the pale:

I think Chamberlain was a physical red flag no matter how he was deployed, that he never was going to have the consistency in personality or performance to thrive at any one specific role and that his immature nature always was going to be tempted by the trampolines of life.

Really? “the trampolines of life?” We can talk about whether playing on trampolines is good judgment for anyone, but you’re really going to slam the guy’s very character by reference to a horrific injury he suffered while playing with his kid?  Nice.

  1. drewsylvania - Feb 28, 2013 at 8:41 AM

    Why even give these people airtime?

    • dpearson45 - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:50 AM

      Completely agree, but there’s a hidden agenda here. This medium absolutely thrives off of stories like these. After all, we did click on the link. Spring training stories about actual baseball are very boring, so hey, why not? HBT has to pay the bills somehow. That said, certainly getting tiresome of this writer’s continual cool kid at the lunch table mentality.

    • natslady - Feb 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM

      Isn’t this the same guy who was trashing R.A. Dickey? I’m not a big R.A. fan, but this Sherman guy doesn’t have a lot of credibility with me.

      • protius - Feb 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

        Sherman is a Woody Allen wannabe, i.e., a nebbish.

        He probably wants to get laid this month, so he wrote an attack article to impress his wife.

    • fanofevilempire - Feb 28, 2013 at 1:56 PM

      Joel is a nerd and he writes for the Post. I asked Craig to stop with the Post
      and he refuses, he’d rather annoy me. Post sux.

      Chamberlain is a good kid, he had the DWI and yes he was tempted by that wicked
      trampoline but sometimes you take the good with the bad.

  2. manute - Feb 28, 2013 at 8:44 AM

    The whole True Yankee thing is always vomitous. This is way over the top. Is he just trolling?

    Although, come to think of it, Thurman Munson, due to his immature nature, was probably always going to be tempted to pilot the private planes of life.

  3. jm91rs - Feb 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM

    Yay, another post having nothing to do with baseball. I love it when you tell us just how wrong other writers are.

    • number42is1 - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:05 AM

      Take it easy Joel….

    • ptfu - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:12 AM

      • ptfu - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:12 AM

        Bah, image imbed fail.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:12 AM

      I love it when you tell us just how wrong other writers are.

      Except he is wrong. Here’s three pitchers, one’s in the bullpen permanently and the other two are starters. Through their first 43 starts, pick out which one is which, or pick out the one that’s “inconsistent in performance”

      A – 221.2 IP, 4.19 ERA, 9.24 H/9, 4.11 BB/9, 8.38 K/9, 1.02 HR/9
      B – 235.1 IP, 4.67 ERA, 8.73 H/9, 3.37 BB/9, 7.58 K/9, 1.07 HR/9
      C – 257.1 IP, 4.23 ERA, 9.37 H/9, 3.08 BB/9, 6.23 K/9, 1.01 HR/9

      • ThatGuy - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        To be fair, giving a stat-line over the course of 43 starts gives zero indication of a pitchers consistency. He could have had those exact stats in every start or half the starts with a 0 era and half with with a 9.

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:03 AM

        True, but what are the odds that Sherman has done the research and knows exactly how each of those pitchers has performed on a start by start basis? And if he did, does he know that the one he labeled as “inconsistent” was considered a full time reliever at 24?

      • djpostl - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:48 AM

        @ThatGuy Chamberlain has actually been more consistent than Hughes or Nova have ever been when starting.

        His 2008 starts were between early-June & late July (11 of them):

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=chambjo03&t=p&year=2008

        Gave up 3 runs twice, 0 runs twice and either 1 or 2 runs six times & had one bad start (his last) where he gave up 5 runs.

        2009 as a starter:

        http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=chambjo03&t=p&year=2009

        April three starts with 1 run yielded…one bad start.
        May three QS, one bad start and one where he left game early as precaution after taking come-backer off him.
        June 4 QS, six total starts yielding 3 runs or less.
        July 5 starts, only gave up more than 3 runs once.
        August he had a bad month but even then he was very cosnistent, giving up 4 runs three times, 2 runs once and one start where he got bombed.
        September they had him on the dumb ass 60 pitchers per start s***. STILL very consistent. Gving up a couple runs per start with one horrific start out of six.

        Despite being the human yo-yo and never complaining once he did a remarkable job providing a level of consistency that Nova nor Hughes have really managed to do.

    • hammyofdoom - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      How is this not about baseball? It’s about a current player on the Yankess, thats like, Uber baseball

  4. heyblueyoustink - Feb 28, 2013 at 8:54 AM

    Yes yes. True Yankees must be classy, like George Herman and Mickey Mantle.

    ( Personally I think hot dogs and being a lush are tantamount to classy, but now is not the time nor place )

    Hey Craig, just breathe the clean Desert air, chew on some Peote, and dive into

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PzRpe36Qls

  5. indaburg - Feb 28, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    I’m often tempted by the trampolines. I mean, who isn’t? They’re fun and bouncy, and you can jump really high, turn flips…

    Trampoline of life. That’s some poetry right there.

    • historiophiliac - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:36 AM

      Urgh. I hope Gator decimates that one. He should get called for too much cheese alone.

    • unclemosesgreen - Feb 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

      If there are no trampolines, then there can never be girls on trampolines. They stay, case closed.

  6. drkincaid - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    Thing is I like Sherman, he is pretty knowledgable, especially when cohosting MLB radio, but this is just pure troll. I wish the paper would get someone else to post the Mariotti/Bayless-esque articles.

  7. blovy8 - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:09 AM

    What a tool, Sherman missed the proper metaphor – there’s no better way to emulate the ups and downs of a short relievers’ career than the trampoline…

  8. byjiminy - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:11 AM

    It’s funny because the entire rest of the world is tired of all the theatrics and untrustworthiness that comes with the New York Post.

    • Old Gator - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:29 AM

      And Rupert Murdoch in general.

  9. dukepatrol - Feb 28, 2013 at 9:58 AM

    This is Joel’s total M.O..He makes up these imaginary scenarios and actually gets to write about them.He’s always making up imaginary trades that never happen. The Post must love home because he’s had the gig for years..He is a smart guy and good writer but sometimes he lives in his own fantasy baseball world

  10. drunkenhooliganism - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:09 AM

    I think you have the story backwards. Joba was always at the bounce house. It was his son that was making the effort to hang out with his dad that day.

  11. andyreidisthegoat - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM

    joe who?

    • andyreidisthegoat - Feb 28, 2013 at 10:40 AM

      joe-joel whatever. filler article. nothing to see here.

  12. sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo - Feb 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM

    Inside Sherman’s Head: Oh, this guy isn’t going to be around much longer? OK, I will make up some sensational crap about him since the repercussions are limited and the interest level could be sky-high.

    The Yankees have jerked Joba around for years, leading to multiple injuries and diminished earnings and earnings potential. All he has done throughout is offer his assessment that he feels he is capable of being a starting pitcher in the major leagues. And the evidence supports that assertion fully. He has never demanded one position or another. He has never demanded a trade. (**cough**not michael young**ahem**excuse me!) He has always done his job to the best of his abilities, which has generally been quite good. What’s the problem here?

  13. cur68 - Feb 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    When people bitch about Craig trolling The Phaithphul keep in mind he straight up acknowledges it as just that: trolling. You can laugh if you want to, he isn’t serious in the trolling and he always has a point that’s rooted in fact. This guy, Sherman? He is serious. Whole article is mean spirited and lacks any semblance of objectivity. Just a junk article.

  14. deathmonkey41 - Feb 28, 2013 at 12:10 PM

    It’s not Joba’s fault. The government needs to ban trampolines- plain and simple. Joe Biden says he should use a jump rope instead- it’s easy to handle than a trampoline. Use a jump rope, Joba, use a jump rope.

  15. unclemosesgreen - Feb 28, 2013 at 12:46 PM

    The trampolines of life have been chasing my soul, and my mind is transcendental and I’m losing all control.

  16. randygnyc - Feb 28, 2013 at 1:04 PM

    Sabathiawbgt- the problem is that Joba went to the media with his grievances instead of confining them within the organization. Joba created this “controversy”, where there didn’t need to be any. He can sign elsewhere at the end of the season with his own demands on contract and position.

    • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM

      went to the media with his grievances instead of confining them within the organization

      No, he didn’t. Like most other athlete responses, he was asked a question and answered it honestly. He didn’t go out looking for reporters saying, “hey you, I got something i want to tell you!” Here’s the response from Feinsand’s article. I’ll bold the important part:

      Speaking with reporters after the outing, Chamberlain was asked what his ultimate aspirations were as he enters his free-agent year.

      “This is probably going to spark a bunch of stuff,” Chamberlain said. “But it’s one of those things where it’s like, do you think you have the capability to start? Yes. Do I have four pitches that I can throw for a strike? Yes. Do I have two plus pitches in the bullpen that I can throw at any time? Yes.

      • cackalackyank - Feb 28, 2013 at 7:02 PM

        Exactly, this is very much like the Verlander $200 million story… would he have liked to be the first $200 mil pitcher yeshe would. Does Joba think he’s capale of starting…of course he does…his stat line is not really any worse than two guys in the NYY rotation. (Net of the effects of his injuries since he last started) Did he sit there and say something like “I should be starting, not Hughes, Nova or Phelps.” No he did not. Did he say “If I don’t get a guaranteed chance to start I do not want to play here any more.” Again, no he did not.

  17. pooinyourface - Feb 28, 2013 at 1:50 PM

    I AM A NEW YORK YANKEE!!!!!!!! hahah go get another DWI with your meth head mom you fat waste of life.

    • cackalackyank - Feb 28, 2013 at 6:39 PM

      Wow, and I thought Sherman had issues with class.

  18. scoocha - Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

    Craig is the biggest jock sniffer out there. The players no matter what they do…do no wrong at any time. Steroids, offseason injuries, etc.
    Get over it, the jocks in HS just didn’t like you. You went to a good law school, you’re better than them now.

  19. cackalackyank - Feb 28, 2013 at 6:54 PM

    Joba certainly has had a few personal issues, and has the flare for tettering on the edge of self destruction. So far though, he has not completely gone over the edge. @ 25 years ago a couple of young players burst onto the NY baseball scene, one was a pitcher, the other I believe was an outfielder. They were swallowed up in a media circus…and flamed out in semi spectacular fashion. Their self destructive tendencies went up to and eventually included imprisonment. Both of these players did briefly redeem themselves with career concluding sucesses with the NYY. What I am getting at here,and in no way trying to diminish the seriousness of the DUI, is that Joba having burst on the scene at age 22, having suffered some family and career adversity has not fared nearly as badly as guys in similar settings did in the same media market a quarter century ago. Is there a need for further maturation? Certainly…but we have all seen sadder and worse stories than Joba. I for one hope he has a decent season, matures some more, and either gets a decent FA deal, or maybe just maybe gets a 2 year deal in New York as a middle or set up reliever.

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