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Jose Reyes says Jeff Loria is lying

Mar 1, 2013, 7:36 AM EDT

Toronto Blue Jays Jose Reyes hits a single against the Houston Astros in Dunedin

You would think that the whole “Jeff Loria told Jose Reyes to buy a house in Miami” thing would have died by now, but nope, it isn’t.  After Reyes said Loria gave him such advice despite knowing he’d be traded, and after Loria denied that he did it, Reyes tells the New York Post that Loria is lying, and that his agent Peter Greenberg can vouch:

“He did it during the season, too: ‘Tell Jose to get a nice place in Miami, a good house,’ ” Reyes said. “He always told me that, me and Peter. I don’t know why he said he didn’t say that.” Reyes continued: “You can ask Peter if I’m a liar. Two people are better than one.I don’t have to lie about that. He traded me, that’s fine with me. Just be real with me. Be honest. Don’t tell me to buy a house and get a nice place for my family and stuff when you [know] you’re going to trade me. Why [did] you do that?”

He says that Loria is also lying about giving him a heads up about the trade before it happened. Reyes and his agent say that Loria called Greenberg less than 24 hours before the trade went down and that Reyes, being in Dubai, was unreachable and ultimately heard about the trade second hand.

Players and owners have spats, but I can’t remember the last time a player just flat out called an owner a liar.

  1. cur68 - Mar 1, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Wow. Jeff Loria accused of lying or misleading someone else? I’m shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you.

    • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:10 AM

      My word just spun off its axis, man.

      And good thing too, missed that asteroid by only a half a parsec.

      • drewshawforpresident - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM

        You got lucky, 9.6 trillion miles is dangerously close

    • fanofevilempire - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM

      Jose, why bother, Loria is a douche and he lies like a dog.

      • paperlions - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:36 AM

        Dogs don’t lie.

      • Gamera the Brave - Mar 1, 2013 at 4:10 PM

        True, paper, but that’s mostly because dogs don’t talk. In English. While humans are within earshot…

        On the other hand, I don’t really know that they DON’T lie…

    • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 5:13 PM

      Tell me about it. I used to have a fishing dacha just outside of Chelyabinsk.

  2. tahjay - Mar 1, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Doesn’t everyone know Jeff Loria is lying, no matter the subject?

    • chadjones27 - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      Even if it’s true, by association with Loria, it’s a lie.

      • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:11 AM

        “Scrooge McLoria is Lying” is a tautology.

  3. indaburg - Mar 1, 2013 at 7:54 AM

    Good for Reyes to call out Loria.

  4. paperlions - Mar 1, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    Indeed, in the world of he-said he-said, “Two people are better than one.” Also, one person is better than a Loria.

    • indaburg - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:26 AM

      One Kleenex full of snot > one Loria

  5. greymares - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    He wanted Reyes to have a nice place to spend the winter. He’s definitely not wintering in Canada

    • samsonleague - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

      Hey… if Blue Jay fans have to winter in Canada, then so does Reyes!

      • dan1111 - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:23 AM

        Blue Jay fans with six year, $106,000,000 contracts can winter wherever they darn well please. And so can Reyes.

      • samsonleague - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:27 AM


        You knew I was joking… right? If I could winter anywhere other than Canada, I would too :)

      • dan1111 - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:45 AM

        @samson, yes. Look on the bright side: spring is only 4 months away.

      • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:54 AM

        Speaking of which, here’s the definitive comment on the Canadian weenter:

    • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:14 AM

      I weenter in Florida. Macondo is a vacationer’s paradise. Come on down and hunt pythons with us, and let us teach you how to drive defensively!

      Chad comes down and hangs with us quite a bit, too.

  6. maritime85 - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:03 AM

    Last player I recall to label the owner a liar was osi Umenyiora

  7. alexo0 - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:05 AM

    Has anyone actually verified that Loria does indeed own the Marlins? For some reason I don’t quite believe him when he says he does.

  8. rlj2170 - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    maybe baseball should to to Loria what they did to Marge Schott

    • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:06 AM

      This is just getting insane. Why would baseball do to Loria what they did to Marge Schott? Now you are comparing a guy who maybe BS’d a player he signed to a racist, homophobic piece of crap like Marge Schott? On another post, the Loria was called the “anti-Christ”. I mean…come on people. Is Loria a great guy? Nah, probably not. But he hasn’t done a single thing to harm Major League Baseball. He gave it a shot last year and failed and cleaned house. Again, nobody at HBT wants to give him credit for spending over $100 million on a payroll when you have owners of teams like the Royals and Pirates who year after year don’t do shit, spend far less than what Loria did last year, and they get away with it.

      On the issue of Jeff Loria, HBT commenters are as hypocritical as it gets, and it is a clear example of piling on like a bunch of sheep.

      • chill1184 - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:24 AM

        While Loria, Wilpon, Glass, Nutting and Dolan aren’t lovers of Hitler like Schott was you can’t deny the fact that these owners need to be removed from MLB.

      • rockthered1286 - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:25 AM

        Okay I give- how are you related to Loria?

      • humanexcrement - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:29 AM

        Or you could look at it this way: the guy has dismantled two world series champions and the 94 Expos, who finished the season with the best record in the game. He alienated and destroyed the fan base in not one but two cities–believe it or not, the Expos were once very popular–and when given another chance, a new stadium and making all sorts of promises that things were going to be different this time, he strips the team again. If this had been the first time he’d done this, I doubt the reaction would have been as severe or as vocal. But to me this has all the makings of a con job. He gets his new stadium and scraps the roster yet again–you have to wonder if he was planning it all along. Either way, he’s turned not one but two MLB franchises into the laughingstock of Major League Baseball. At best, he’s woefully incompetent. I’m well aware of the way owners in places like Kansas City and Pittsburgh have figured out a way to field low-cost, 100 loss teams that nonetheless turn a profit. I don’t like them either. And by the way, just because everyone disagrees with you does not make you the only freethinker in a world of automatons. Sometimes it just means you’re full of shit.

      • officialgame - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:29 AM

        Are you actually giving credit to Skinflint Loria for spending money one year to tear it apart the following year which he has now done three times? Did Loria not just get the City of Miami to build him a state of the art indoor, outdoor half billion dollar stadium based on his promises he needed it to be be compete? Your defending the indefensible when you make ignorant statements about the Royals and Pirates which are totally different markets and situations. The truth is the truth and if Loria being “piled on” is well deserved and by his own doings. I would also like you to explain how HBT writers are being hypocritical of Loria? Do you even know the meaning of the word?

      • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:30 AM

        Chris – do some math. Take the backloading of all, I mean all, of those Roseann Barr lookalike contracts and check out the first year salaries. They were all backloaded. In fact, he didn’t spend what you think he did – the teams he traded to are gonna be stuck with the bulk of it. The whole beeg payroll thing was a P/R sham from the git-go, but I will grant you that this guy can spin like a charmed quark.

        And if you don’t have the stomach to watch us boot Scrooge McLoria around, hey, go rent Ichi the Killer or Audition or maybe wait till the season starts and run some Feelies infield highlights on your video recorder, while munching on a horrible horsemeat and Velveeta™ sandwich with a bloody Mary mix and a half-bottle of Tabasco (to honor the late Paul McIlhenny) chaser. Then, when you’ve toughened yourself up, come on back and watch. It’s better than terriers and rats.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:45 AM

        OG, the fact is that the Marlins payroll for 2012 was over $100 million. And my only beef in this issue comes about when people like the original poster who I responded to says things like “Treat him like Marge Schott” or another poster who called the guy the Anti-Christ. Why? Is what he did comparable to racism? Homophobia?

        I know you are a Marlins fans…but that doesn’t give you the right to treat the guy that poorly. Say what you want about his being less than truthful to players, congressman, and whoever else you want to. But don’t disparage the man to the point where his actions are comparable to Marge Schott.

        I am just an individual who cares about being fair. It is patently unfair, and pretty stupid I might add, to write that baseball should look into getting rid of Loria when there are worse owners out there. The only difference between Loria and the owners of the Pirates is that when Loria got his building, he doubled his payroll to $100 million while the Pirates barely raised their 25% to get to a little more than $50 million. Yet the outrage was not there when the Pirates got their stadium…built on the backs of the taxpayers mind you.

        Face it people…a guy like Jeff Loria is never going to be forcibly removed from baseball because he has done nothing against the rules. Just because the city of Miami got suckered into building a stadium for the guy doesn’t make him a rule-breaker. Just because he realized he had a bad mix of talent and traded it away for a top-5 minor league system doesn’t make him a rule-breaker. And just because YOU don’t like the guy doesn’t mean he should be removed from baseball!!!!!

      • historiophiliac - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM

        Scrooge? I like the sound of that name. Does he play for me, honey?

        — deadmargeschott

      • chill1184 - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:55 AM

        “Face it people…a guy like Jeff Loria is never going to be forcibly removed from baseball because he has done nothing against the rules.”


        You and the rest of HBT know that the reason why Loria and Wilpon havent been removed from MLB is because they like David Glass, Larry Dolan and Robert Nutting are all cronies of Selig. Selig isn’t going to kick out owners who are in his corner. McCourt got kicked out because he and Selig were constantly butting heads, if McCourt had the same relationship with Selig that Wilpon and Loria did he still would be in charge of the Dodgers.

      • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 10:00 AM

        Chris – I never compared him to Marge Schott or anyone else. The magnitude of the long term financial damage to this community he collaborated in inflicting – and I do not mean to let any of our execrable so-called “public servants” off the hook for that either; I understand that Scrooge McLoria was a big part of the process, not the whole story – is more than enough justification for reviling him.

        Then, as a matter of definitively secondary importance, we can talk about whether or not he has damaged baseball per se. In this community, he definitely has. What the ripple effects may be we can argue about. I gotta run out at the moment but we’ll have, I’m sure, lots more to discuss on this point.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM


        Why would Selig get rid of Loria and under what pretense? That he had a couple fire sales? You would have to explain to me how he would keep around the owners of many teams if he is going to get rid of Loria for that. Because he hurt the fan base of the Marlins? So an owner who doesn’t do everything the fan base wants gets kicked out of the league?

        Again, Loria has done nothing against the rules so it is just idiotic to think he can be removed from his ownership. It is just straight-up hate.

      • grangieboobs - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:05 AM

        He may not have violated any rules….but you have to agree that pocketing appx $300M worth of revenue sharing dollars from 2002-2010 and not putting into back into players or player development was definitely outside of the spirit of the rules.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:20 AM

        Between 2002 and 2012, the Marlins spent around $500 million on their payroll. How can you say they didn’t put that $300 million in revenue sharing money back into the team? During that entire time(except 2004 where they were 14th of 16), they were either last or next to last in attendance in the National League, so it isn’t like the gate was paying their payroll during that time. Last year, they upped the payroll to $107 million and STILL only managed to get up to 12th in the National League…with a brand new stadium!!! That’s just a disgraceful display by the Marlins fans.

        Face it folks…Miami sucks as a market for baseball. They won the World Series in 2003 and finished 15th in the NL in attendance. The following year, with a World Series championship team, there was so much excitement that they finished 14th in attendance.

      • paperlions - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:45 AM


        MLB said that Loria didn’t put revenue sharing money back into baseball operations. He was even formally warned about pocketing revenue sharing money because the sharing laws were enacted to promote competitive balance, not to make owners more rich. The only owner that has received such a warning about pocketing revenue sharing dollars is Loria.

        I agree though that the suggestion that Selig can unilaterally remove or force out owners is laughable. McCourt was struggling to make payroll and was going to have to sell no matter what because he was going bankrupt. There have always been cheap owners in MLB….and there always will be….and the commissioner has never had the power to influence an owner to sell his team.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 12:07 PM

        paper…my biggest beef is that we see too many of these stories on HBT…

        And not enough of the other side kind of stories like these…

        Then I see the guy this morning compare him to Marge Schott and it just got my blood boiling. The other guy comparing him to the anti-Christ wasn’t much better. I mean…really people? It’s just ludicrous.

      • historiophiliac - Mar 1, 2013 at 12:24 PM

        People seem to think that Selig protects the owners and that’s how they get away with things, but it goes the other way. The owners picked Selig & they did so precisely b/c he wasn’t the type to push them around. How would Selig have the power to do anything to them? The answer is for other owners to gang up on Loria, but really, there’s not much legally they can do. It’s a confederacy, not a centralized union. If he can pay his bills, all they can/will do is little punishments for revenue sharing violations, if he has more of them.

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 12:30 PM

        histo…if he continues to go around the luxury tax rules, like paper said, then I think he would be opening himself up to some problems with his fellow owners. However, with the way the TV money is increasing, I can’t see how Loria, as shrewd of a businessman as he is, would allow the team to have that problem.

        As I said above, if the fans would go to the ballpark, then he would be forced to spend more money. But the fact is that the Marlins are the third stepchild down there behind the Heat and the Dolphins…and they may even be behind some local Jai Alai teams as well for all I know.

      • snowbirdgothic - Mar 1, 2013 at 1:10 PM

        Chris, the multimillionaire who has strip-mined both MLB’s competitive balance rules and Dade County to line his own pockets while materially damaging the municipality and baseball in general deeply appreciates your sticking up for him.

        Also, I have no idea how sheep pile on, but I would imagine the physics would be kind of daunting.

      • jwbiii - Mar 1, 2013 at 2:52 PM

        “You and the rest of HBT know that the reason why Loria and Wilpon havent been removed from MLB is because they like David Glass, Larry Dolan and Robert Nutting are all cronies of Selig.”

        chill1184, It’s not quite that simple. The commissioner is hired by, and can be fired by, the owners. This system makes the commissioner extremely weak and makes Bud Selig ideal for the job. He doesn’t do anything without having the consensus of a solid majority of the owners. Fay Vincent and Bowie Kuhn did things that they believed to be in the best interests of baseball. The owners disagreed and fired them. Selig makes $20M. He does not want to get fired. The owners don’t want to kick anyone out of their club because, good heavens, any one of them could be next. Frank McCourt had to go because of the Dodgers’ bankruptcy, but short of that, they’re not going to support removing an owner.

        This is also why the A’s to San Jose fiasco is being drawn out. Every single owner may believe that it would be better for baseball if the A’s were in San Jose but the majority of them do not want to set the precedent of abrogating territorial rights. Plus the Giants would lose sponsorship and luxury box income and TV viewing eyeballs and eventually TV revenue. The Expos to Washington situation was like the McCourt ownership of the Dodgers. It had become untenable and something had to be done.

        Remember when Selig decided to end the All Star Game in a tie? That stupid and confused look he had on his face? That’s what happens when he has to make a decision other than what he would like for breakfast without spending a few hours on the phone talking to the owners.

      • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 3:39 PM

        Chris – you’re a free market guy, right? You wrote that if the fans would go to the ballpark, he’d spend the money. Is that how the market works? Consumers buy an inferior product until the manufacturer responds to his increased profits by upgrading the product and increasing his overhead, thus decreasing his profits? Um….no. I think if you’re gonna keep reminding us that baseball is a business and Scrooge McLoria is a businessman, you also should take the position that Scrooge is playing the marketplace all wrong. Which, of course, that ticket buyer’s line five guys long on the first day of game sales pretty much confirms.

        Now, as far as the ranking of Feesh ticket revenues among baseball teams, B/R ranks Macondo as the 16th largest baseball market in terms of population. So, if they ranked 14th and 15th in MLB when they were winning, they were actually running proportionately ahead of their situation for their market size.

        Now, you have to assess that against the fact that the fan base had watched its team get raped and now it’s had to watch it get raped again. The hard work of putting a consistent winner on the field and earning the trust, respect and affection of fans is something none of the Feesh ownerships have been willing to do. If it’s not fair to claim that Scrooge is getting lambasted while equally inept ownerships keep their heads down, is it fair to claim that Feesh fans are noncommittal when they’ve been pissed on over and over either?

      • Chris Fiorentino - Mar 1, 2013 at 6:28 PM

        OG, first just to correct the attendance #’s, my ranks were out of 16 in the NL. Not sure if you are saying that the Marlins are the smallest market in the NL at 16th or they are 16th in all of baseball. If they were good fans, when the team won the world Series in 2003, you would have seen some type of bump in attendance in 2004, but alas, it only went up 1 rank.

        Even last year, with a new park and at least a reason to go check it out, they averaged 27K out of a possible 38K capacity. All that cash spent and a new stadium and they STILL could not sell the thing out for the first year, barely filling it 70%.

        It’s like I said all along this whole stadium fiasco…they should have just let the team go. There’s no market for a baseball team in Miami.

  9. Charles Gates - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:17 AM

    In Miami, the hometown discount refers to the percentage you need to trim what was said in order to make it align to
    the reality of the spoken intentions.

    • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:31 AM

      In Macondo that’s not a discount. It’s an estate auction.

  10. mattintoledo - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:19 AM

    When I read the headline, I assumed Jose Reyes was just guessing that at that particular moment, wherever he was, Loria was lying.

  11. snowbirdgothic - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:37 AM

    “One’s a born liar and the other…no, that about covers it.”

  12. realgone2 - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    If Loria’s mouth is moving he is lying.

  13. randygnyc - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:40 AM

    Because Loria is a flat out liar. You’d be hard pressed to find other players/owners as duplicitous as this criminal. Who here would be really put off upon hearing Loria was the victim of vigilante justice? Not me. I’m a believer of Divine Justice.

  14. tfbuckfutter - Mar 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM

    The funniest part about all this is that Loria isn’t even rich.

    He just goes around telling people he is, and somehow he keeps ending up with baseball teams.

    It’s the damndest con. Before owning the Expos he was a garbage man. For real.

    Found a suit in a dumpster one day, and the next thing you know….

  15. kevinleaptrot - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM

    Gotta go with Reyes on this one. If Loria’s lips were moving, he was lying.

  16. humanexcrement - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:18 AM

    What the fuck was Jose Reyes doing in Dubai?

    • tfbuckfutter - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:20 AM

      Wow….that is a lot of anger over a man going on vacation.

    • chill1184 - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM

      Charity event maybe?

    • henryd3rd - Mar 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

      One question? Do the Blue Jays have to honor the contracts that the Marlins signed these guys to? Just Sayin!

      Stop bitching and play. Plus having a home in South Florida can’t be all that bad. Lots of “snow birds” from Canada do it all the time. Plus Old Gator and I live here year round.

      • chill1184 - Mar 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM

        In trades the receiving team takes on the sending teams’ contract terms unless the two teams agree on something else. IE Team A that is sending player 1 to Team B but eating a portion of player 1’s salary.

      • indaburg - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM

        This is not about whether Reyes almost bought a home in Florida. Sure, with real estate prices as depressed as they are in Florida, he could have made out with a nice winter property. Reyes also sounds pretty happy about playing for the Jays, so I don’t think he’s bitching. Reyes just wants to set record straight. This is about Loria being disingenuous with Reyes, and then lying about his lie. Reyes just wants us to know, in case any one of us had any doubt, that Loria is a lying liar.

      • jwbiii - Mar 1, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        ‘burg, The luxury residential markets in Miami and New York are doing quite well now. This is being largely fueled by Europeans who see them as better values than, say, the Cote d’Azur and London.

        As for Reyes, Dubai has a big beach resort area. Due to its location, most of their business comes from Arabs and Europeans. There are familiar names there like Hilton, Radisson, Sheraton, and Meridien, and getting bacon and eggs and a bloody mary isn’t a problem.

      • jwbiii - Mar 1, 2013 at 3:27 PM

        henryd3rd, In this case, the Marlins sent $8.5M to the Blue Jays. This makes Heath Bell, Mark Buehrle, Jim Johnson, and Jose Reyes the second through fifth most highly paid players by the Marlins.

  17. DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:24 AM

    Jeffry Loria is scum. Jose Reyes did not have a no trade contract.

    Not cool on Loria’s part – to put it mildly – but if Reyes wanted a guarantee he should have bargained for it. Put it this way. Cliff Lee does not have a not trade contract, and the Phillies do not want to trade him. But if the Braves one day came to the Phillies and said “You can have our whole outfield if you give us Lee” – guess what? He is Atlanta bound.

    But somehow Jose Reyes was not aware of this reality of baseball? Let alone Loria’s history?

    • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:34 AM

      No doubt. If the no-trade was so important to these guys, they should have signed somewhere else (and you can bet that Mark Buehrle, at least, is really wishing that he had). But Reyes isn’t complaining that he was traded per se. He’s bitching that Scrooge looked him in the eye over dinner, smiled and said go buy yourself a house when he already knew that there was a trade in process.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM

        Oh I agree – Loria is scum, no question about it. To put it more strongly, I don’t know how you tell Reyes soemthing like that then look yourself in the eye. I’m not saying Reyes shold not be ticked, not even saying he should not be calling Loria out. Just saying he knew perfectly well that no one is ever guaranteed anything in baseball unless it is in writing

  18. henryd3rd - Mar 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    One question? Do the Blue Jays have to honor the contracts that the Marlins signed these guys to? Just Sayin!

    Stop bitching and play. Plus having a home in South Florida can’t be all that bad. Lots of “snow birds” from Canada do it all the time. Plus Old Gator and I live here year round.

  19. jimmymarlinsfan - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:28 AM

    Perhaps if Jose lived up to his contract at all, he wouldn’t have been banished to up north

    • thebadguyswon - Mar 1, 2013 at 11:42 AM

      Ahhh….little Jimmy bitter is he? How exactly was that a subpar year from Reyes anyway?

      • jimmymarlinsfan - Mar 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM

        His numbers were down across the board and the team finished in last by a lot. That spells time for change

      • Old Gator - Mar 1, 2013 at 3:29 PM

        Wait’ll you see the numbers on the guy who replaces him.

  20. drewsylvania - Mar 1, 2013 at 12:01 PM

    Selig has dumped owners before. Hell, he’s dumped TEAMS before. If he/MLB want to, they can force Loria out. We’ll see if it ever happens. I suspect that it doesn’t happen because Loria makes money.

  21. officialgame - Mar 1, 2013 at 3:26 PM

    Why would anyone go to the trouble to defend Loria on this site except someone working for the Marlins or even Loria himself? Chris it’s time to remove your shades and come clean.

  22. iamjimmyjack - Mar 1, 2013 at 9:22 PM

    What’s the problem here? Jose acts like he can’t afford two houses! Give me a break. Cry me a river Jose.

  23. tahjay - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:00 AM

    I don’t think the anti-Christ comparison is too far off, but don’t compare him to Marge Schott. If anything Hitler is a more fair comparison.

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