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Pat Gillick thinks Phillies still have 2-3 years of contention left

Mar 2, 2013, 8:00 PM EST

Former Blue Jays and Phillies GM Pat Gillick watches the two teams play during their MLB Grapefruit League baseball game in Dunedin Reuters

Former Phillies GM Pat Gillick, now a special assistant to the team, still sees a window of opportunity for the aging and injury-prone club.

“I certainly see enough for two or three more years, for sure,” said Gillick, now a special assistant to the Phillies. “I kind of got the feeling when I came here this year that Chooch, Rollins, Howard, and Utley, they want to win. They really want to win. When people have that attitude, it carries them a long way.”

The Phillies are expected to finish third in the NL East and miss out on the playoffs once again according to almost all forecasting. They lay claim to the oldest roster in baseball and have a slew of question marks that will be answered as the season goes along, mostly pertaining to the health of Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Roy Halladay, and Mike Adams. Halladay’s 2014 option will almost certainly not vest, meaning he may join Utley, Michael Young, and Carlos Ruiz as free agents.

They have nearly $105 million already committed for 2014, $73.5 million of which is going to Cliff Lee ($25 million), Howard ($25 million), and Cole Hamels ($23.5 million). The Minor League system is barren, earning bottom-third rankings from Keith Law (27) and John Sickels (20), among others. Unless Domonic Brown and Darin Ruf turn into bona fide Major Leaguers, and the Phillies are able to aptly fill in their future gaps with a relatively limited budget, it is hard to see them keeping a steady trajectory.

  1. proudlycanadian - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:14 PM

    In today’s game against the Jays, the wind was blowing out and the mighty Philadelphia sluggers hit 3 home runs as part of their 6 run outburst against the Jays. 2 of the homers came off Dickey and Johnson. Toronto could only muster 2 home runs against the Phillies.

    • proudlycanadian - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM

      Philadelphia’s Cliff Lee only gave up 3 runs in the game. The other Philadelphia pitchers were much more generous and allowed another 8 runs. Of course the game does not count and tomorrow’s rematch could easily go the other way. A lot of Jays players are now heading west to participate in the WBC.

  2. DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:15 PM

    I love the guy, and we owe him a huge debt of gratitude. And I am not even saying he is wrong. But lets put it in perspective – the guy was never an optimist:

    “We’re flawed in a multitude of areas….It would probably be a stretch to think we’re going to be there [as a contender] in 2007″ – Pat Gillick, July 30, 2006.

    He later was quote as saying he didn’t think 2008 looked good either.

  3. thundercat19 - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM

    People seem to forget that the Fightins are only 16 months removed from winning 102 games. They’re not dead and buried just yet. Let the Nats get the headlines and win 100 games this year. The Phils will just sneak right in to the playoffs and bring home another title.

    • Kevin S. - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:42 PM

      Sixteen months ago, they had Shane Victorino’s best season, a full year of Carlos Ruiz, two months of Hunter Pence going bananas, Placido Polanco hitting well enough for his glove to play, Ryan Madson and Roy Oswalt being quality contributors, Roy Halladay being one of the best pitchers in the game, Ryan Howard and Chase Utley with two fewer years of wear and tear… it’s not the same team from 2011. They’ve replaced almost nothing of what they’ve lost to age, injury and players leaving the organization.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:48 PM

        Oh, and Vance Worley had himself a pretty solid year, too.

      • thundercat19 - Mar 2, 2013 at 8:57 PM

        And last year after Howard and Utley came back, they played .587 ball. Which would have put them in the playoffs over a full season. Oh and that was without Halladay and with Howard on one leg and with Cliff Lee having a freakishly unlucky year and a black hole in the 8th inning. Just sayin. They’re not done yet.

      • thundercat19 - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:02 PM

        Oh and in 2011 Utley misses almost half the year, Polanco was banged up (as usual), Chooch didn’t produce anywhere near what he did last year, and Oswalt was a bust after mid season. At least this year if Adams is healthy, they have a set up man. And they have a 3rd baseman who for the first time since Rolen left, might be productive offensively.

      • unclemosesgreen - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:10 PM

        They have another old 3rd baseman, only this one can’t catch, throw or hit for power, three things Rolen can still do. Not only have they not recharged, they have no blue chippers on the farm left to trade. It’s over, it’s time for a rebuilding cycle to begin, but the Phillies’ organizational delusion is going to prevent that from starting.

        Conservatively, they probably won’t have another winning season until 2017 or so if you’re lucky, Phans.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:36 PM

        Or more accurately – Shane Victorino’s had a season equal to ’08 and ’09, a full year of Carlos Ruiz having his worst power ever (40 RBI’s) , four months a platoon in Right headed by Ben Francisco, Placido Polanco having an injury riddle season that saw the lowest OPS in his career, and Roy Oswalt mentally checking out of baseball.

        It is no secret what so ever – the Phillies won 102 games that year off of Halladay, Hamels and Lee, backed by a solid bull pen. It is fair to say that outfield was better then what this years outfield will be – but barring injuries, this infield should be on par with the 2011 infield. And there you have it – if Halladay, Utley and Howard stay healthy, this team will be in the low 90’s. Heck – they won 81 last year with massive problem with those three, and a black hole bull pen.

      • dwdive - Mar 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM

        Oswalt did not have a very good year that season, he was hurt for half of it, as was Polanco. The Phillies have M. Young at 3B, Pap’s as the closer, Adams as the set up man, D. Young replacing Pence, Rivere replacing Victorino, and they still have the 2 young arms that helped that bullpen in 2010 (Stutes & Bastardo). They still have the big 3 (Halladay, Lee, Hamels) and with Kendrick coming off his 2 best seasons in the bigs along with Lannan as the 5th starter, the rotation is still one of the best in MLB. Not to mention their 3 best prospects outside of the 2 guys that will be platooning LF (Ruf & Brown), are all pitchers. This team can be as good as 2010. Not sure you you can say “they didn’t replace anyone at these positions”. That’s just not correct and quite a silly and trolling thing to say.

      • dwdive - Mar 3, 2013 at 11:10 AM

        Oh yeah, and Ruiz is only out for 25 games, and Kratz looked good last year filling in for him. Not worried about that.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 11:14 AM

        I love how I’m called a troll in the same post that claims Young, Young and Rivere [sic] adequately replace Pence, Polanco and Victorino.

      • dwdive - Mar 3, 2013 at 6:30 PM

        No, you are troll for saying they didn’t replenish many positions. They replaced Madson with Pap’s and Adams. That’s an upgrade. Polanco was awful at the plate but a good fielder, they replaced him with M. Young (much better at the plate but worse fielder) that’s a push. As far as the outfield, if you take Pence’s numbers and compare them to D. Young, they are not much different, and they are both sub-par defenders, so we are down to Victorino and Rivere. Defensively they are comparable, offensively Victorino has more power and Rivere has a better average and slightly more speed. You are forgetting about Brown and Ruf added in, they add the power you lose with Rivere, you are a troll. That outfield is just as good, and might have a little more depth than it did in 2010. You are the troll

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 6:48 PM

        The stupid, it burns. Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Michael Young is no longer a good hitter and is a butcher in the field. Delmon Young can’t carry Hunter Pence’s jock strap at the plate. Ben Revere has hit like a backup catcher over the course of his career. But yeah, facts make one a troll. Good god, we’ve advanced past 1930’s methods of evaluating players.

  4. thundercat19 - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Rolen is effectively retired at the moment so it isn’t looking like he’s going to catch, throw, or hit for power any time soon. The Phils finished .500 last season with half a team. Sub .500 for the next 4 years? Not likely. Not to mention they have a new TV deal approaching which will only increase their budget. They’ll be fine.

    • unclemosesgreen - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:36 PM

      Thundercat – HO! Yes Rolen is retired, my point is that he’s STILL better than Michael Young, whose toolbox has been reduced to “hit for average.” Not what you want from a 3B. Worley is gone, Halladay is a shadow of his former self. Soon Cole Hamels will look around and wonder why the heck he re-upped.

      Increased budget is all well and good, but your GM has proven that he can’t use the money effectively. They finished .500 last year, and now they are a year older, with the worst projected OF in MLB. It’s too bad, there was enough talent and money there for a competent GM to turn over the roster without stinking this bad. Now it’s too late. The Phils aren’t going to make the playoffs until at least 2017. The sooner you come to grips with this, the sooner the pain will pass.

      Snarf!

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM

        All you have is troll comments – if what you are saying is true, how did they win 81 games with eveythign that can go wrong going wrong? are you saying you think that wil happen again? You can’t give a serious answer, all you can do is throw out “Phillies are poopie heads” – which is fine if that is what you want to do, you and El Bravo can go form a club.

      • thundercat19 - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM

        …and that’s why they play the game. We shall see.

        Why are you fixated on 2017 as the magical year they return to winning? You’ve clearly invested an enormous amount if thought and research into this.

      • unclemosesgreen - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:49 PM

        I pointed out specific reasons that they aren’t going to be good again anytime soon. I’m the opposite of a troll, I actually believe this and you happen to disagree. It’s simple. Plus you don’t read very carefully. You keep expecting old guys to get healthier as they age, and I’m telling you it doesn’t work that way. At all. If you think that everything that could go wrong did – just wait – you haven’t seen anything yet.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 10:04 PM

        Oh really? You are the opposite of a troll?

        “Conservatively, they probably won’t have another winning season until 2017 or so if you’re lucky”

        You look at the facts objectively, and your rational conversvative analysis was that…..your “conservative” analysis was that?

        Roy Halladay is 36, he is not young, he is not ancient. He also is perhaps the best picther of the past decade. But you know that he is to be written off, huh? Cliff Lee is not showing any signs of aging, and Cole Hamels is 29 and at the top of his game. They improved the bull pen, and they really have no where to go but up with Utley and Howard. Trash Michael Young all you want – 3rd base was as bad as bad could be last year….I don’t care what Polanco did with his glove (which was not nearly what it once was), he sucked the life out the team last year

        If you want to disagree with anything I just said, jump in. But if you want to say “conservatively” they can not get 1 game better then last year….El Bravo has a seat with your name on it

      • churchoftheperpetuallyoutraged - Mar 3, 2013 at 12:32 PM

        Roy Halladay is 36, he is not young, he is not ancient. He also is perhaps the best picther of the past decade. But you know that he is to be written off, huh?

        Well what if last year is the start of his decline? Most of you Phillies’s fans seem to think last year was some aberration and that they’ll bounce back to previous years? Why can they not get worse? Halladay had his worst ERA since 2000, his worst H/9 since ’07, his worst HR/9 since ’00, his worst BB/9 since ’07. His fastball dropped to 90.6 (was 92.6 and 92.0 with the Phillies so far) which is often a sign of injury. Isn’t it possible he won’t be the Roy of old, and then what?

        and they really have no where to go but up with Utley and Howard.

        Again, why are you so certain they will be better? They can be far worse. They could easily get injured again or perform like, respectively, league average and far below league average.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 1:54 PM

        @ church – of course it is possible that Halladay will have a bad year. Which is why I always say if Halladay Utley and Howard improve. But by the same token, you can not deny that HBT is full of posters who are positive, just positive that he is through. And that is ridiculous. He is 36, he has an unreal work ethic….and he is Roy Frickin Halladay! I would submit it is more likely he returns to form. Note – I said “likely”, as in above 50% not “definitely”

        As for Utley and Howard – again, nothing is certain life (which applies to all teams, btw). But it is hardly a strecth to say they will improve. This is not December anymore, they are out teree playing, and we have data to go by. They both seem vastly impoved physically from not only 2012, but even better physcially then 2011. I don’t see 90 HR’s and 220 RBI from them, but I sure as heck see better than last years 25/101. And again, I am basing that on how they have been so far this spring

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 7:35 PM

        I did not say Ruiz had a bad 2011, not at all. Carlos Ruiz had a great season in 2011, he handles the rotation better then anyone the Phillies have had in memory. I would expect he would do the same this year – with the same top 3 picthers that were there in 2011. And with a bull pen that on paper should be on par with what they had in 2011 (save your blather, I already know you disagree). I said Ruiz did not have a great season at the plate, as was the case with many Phillies that year. Despite the offensive drop off from 2010 (when they were 2nd), they improved and won 5 more games – would have been even more had they not had a mjor hangover after clinching. And that was bease not of there 7th ranked offense, but based on Hallady, Lee and Hamels

        If Halladay, Utley and Howard stay healthy, they should be in the low 90’s win wise. Sorry that upsets you so

  5. unclemosesgreen - Mar 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM

    You guys love your team and want it bad enough to delude yourself. Believe it or not I have respect for that. I just respectfully submit that 2017 is the earliest they can rebuild and have a decent farm system, and the reason is that they still think they can patch it up so they aren’t rebuilding the foundation yet. If they took a clear-headed look at it and started rebuilding properly today, they might be able to succeed faster than that.

    If they fire Ruben in May and hire a competent GM, they could be good again by 2015. I just don’t see that happening, I see more patches, more chewing gum fastening down baling wire holding it all together.

    • thundercat19 - Mar 2, 2013 at 10:23 PM

      None of the moves that Amaro has made are truly regrettable. He took calculated risks to add major pieces that would hopefully bring home another title or two. It didn’t work out. That’s life. Sometimes teams like the Cards sneak in on the last day and win the whole thing.

      If you think they would have had more success in 2010-2011 if they would’ve held on to prospects and not acquired Halladay, Lee, Pence, etc., then you are wrong. Unfortunately it didn’t result in more rings.

      Having said that, their core players, while declining, simply are not “done”. They certainly have the chance to remain competitive and retool without going through a Marlins like complete implosion.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 10:44 PM

        If the phillies do nto trade for Oswalt in 2010, tehy do not win the division, and the sell out streak ends. which means no Cliff Lee in 2011, and probably no Cole Hamels in 2013. but they WOULD have J.A. Happ and Anthony Gose. Yea….soudns better to me……

        Of course, no one wants to pint out that they have Philliep Aumnt and Tyler Gillies for effectively nothing….or that most guys Amaro traded are total busts…..or that despite doom and gloom predicitions, Cody Asche and Tommy Joseph will be soldi players come 2014….

      • Kevin S. - Mar 2, 2013 at 10:53 PM

        “or that despite doom and gloom predicitions, Cody Asche and Tommy Joseph will be soldi players come 2014″

        Two guys that have shown up on none of the major prospect lists *will* be solid players next year? And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

      • unclemosesgreen - Mar 2, 2013 at 11:00 PM

        Jon Singleton, Jarred Cosart, Domingo Santana for Hunter Pence. Until the Dodgers took most of the Red Sox problems and repaid them with actual prospects (Allen Webster? Really – we would have been happy with Jerry Sands bwahahahah) this was the worst trade I’d ever seen. When you Phans see how good Singelton and Cosart are you’re going to be extremely queasy.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 2, 2013 at 11:03 PM

        Okay, that’s probably a little overboard. The Teixeira trade was probably the worst – closest thing baseball’s seen to the Herschel Walker deal. But yeah, Phillies gave up way more value there than was warranted.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

        @ Kevin S. – I see you don’t want to to take on anythign I directly said to you.

        As for your comment of “Two guys that have shown up on none of the major prospect lists ” – oh please. The Phillies had the #4 Farm system in baseball in 2009. You want to go back and look at who those “blue chippers” were that gave them such a high ranking? You will laugh yourself silly at why the Phillies were rated so high.

        And lastly, since you only zero in on the Asche and Joseph, comments I made, I take it you are conceding the rest of it is correct? Would you rather have Happ and Gose vs. Lee and Hamels? Or do you believe the Phillies still would have Lee and Hamels without all the extra revenue generated by keeping the sell out streak going?

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 2, 2013 at 11:23 PM

        “When you Phans see how good Singelton and Cosart are you’re going to be extremely queasy”

        You did better with “The Philleis are poopie heads”

      • Kevin S. - Mar 2, 2013 at 11:34 PM

        No, actually, I was highlighting the fact that you were so divorced from reality that you weren’t worth the effort of a point-by-point rebuttal. Good night.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 7:58 AM

        @ Kevin S. – wow, all you have is name callling? Okay then…..you have a good day, and always remember to point out age of ball players.

        Hey, did you know that Roy Halladay is 36 and Cliff Lee is 35?

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 10:17 AM

        Case in point, I never called you any names. I just know better than to constantly ram into the Great Wall of Phillie Butthurt.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 1:45 PM

        @ kevin S – sorry, i didn’t realize you meant “divorced from reality” as a good thing. I never understand people who start off with a very pointed case, then when soemone counters it they throw there hands up and get petty.

        You made a lot of points about the 2011 Phillies offense – I pointed out that it was not the offense at all that won the division that year, and in fact their offense stunk. Ergo, if the big three pitchers have a good season this year, and Utley and Howard can do better then a combined 101 RBI’s this year, they should be able to improve from 2012’s 81 wins. You want to counter that – fine. But don’t throw your hands up and act like I am making things up out of thin air – thats El Bravo’s job.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 2:05 PM

        No you didn’t, you made up your own facts and obfuscated on other points. Once you cease to debate honestly, you don’t get entertained further. Their offense was sixth in the NL by Runs Scored and 5th by wRC+, by the way. If you can’t figure out something that basic, why should I bother with you?

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM

        @ kevin S – “you made up your own facts and obfuscated on other points”

        Name one fact I made up

        “you cease to debate honestly”

        Again, you start off with point by point details, then when it is coutered (i.e. Ruiz had just 40 RBI’s in 2011, he was not the force you implied he was), you just get into this pettiness.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:14 PM

        “Name one fact I made up”

        “and in fact their offense stunk.”

        Sixth in the NL in runs scored, hardly stinking. What do I win?

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:15 PM

        Apologies, seventh. I’m dyslexic. Still, that’s using a number that’s generous towards your assertion. Other metrics had them even better.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM

        Oh, wait, I forgot, I’m arguing with somebody who uses “combined RBI” as some kind of measure of value. I lose just by playing.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM

        @ Kevin S – “and Utley and Howard can do better then a combined 101 RBI’s this year”

        I can’t see what is confusing about that statement – but to put it in simpler terms, that is not productive for those two

        And wow, the 7th best offense in the league produced the best record? 7th best offense = best record. The team that scored fewer runs then the Mets won it based on offense. Gosh, I stand corrected…..it was the offense that won the division for the Phillies in 2011. And shame on me for saying a team that dropped in every offense category as “stunk”. That is clearly out of bounds….”stunk”. Yea, that is way out of line.

        As for what you won – you have won the honor of being labled the guy who finally put an end to all the revisionist historians that said teh Phillies won 102 games based on pitching. It is high time people called out that free loading pitching staff – and you have led the way. And that is what you have won.

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:53 PM

        They’re not going to be close to the 7th best offense in the NL, but what the fuck ever, you clearly aren’t willing to listen to any argument that doesn’t put your Phillies in the hunt for the wild card.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 4:03 PM

        Now who is “obfuscating”?

        I said the Phillies will improve on 81 wins if the Halladay, Utley and Howard stay healthy (“of” is a conjunction that means “on the condition of” or “in the case of”. I said that would put them in the low 90’s for wins. I have no idea if that will be good enough to make the playoffs….many years it is not.

        But what do I know – I had always thought the Phillies had the best record in 2011 based on pitching

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 6:53 PM

        And if Giancarlo Stanton spontaneously clones himself eight times, the Marlins might be good, too. Keep telling yourself that you’re looking at this with any objectivity.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 7:00 PM

        @ Kevin S – getting more obscure by the hour.

        So your supposition is that pointing out the Carlos Ruiz had 40 RBI’s in a year, and hence was not a majpor reason the Phillies had the best record in 2011, is akin to somone wanting to clone Stanton 8 times? Please, by all means expand your theory. This is fascnating.

        But again, what do I know….I mean, when has a team ever impoved 9 games from one year to the next by having three key players get heallthy?

        And hey, just curious – who do you think will have the 7th best offense in the NL this year?

      • Kevin S. - Mar 3, 2013 at 7:21 PM

        And this is why talking to you is a waste of time – you think how many RBI Carlos Ruiz had tells you a damn thing about how well he played. You’re not even speaking the same language. He hit for roughly his career averages and played the most games in his career. He’s now two years older, in his age 34 season, facing a suspension for a PED that actually Es your P. It’s impossible for him to play as many games as he did then, severely limiting his value, and it’s unlikely that he’ll hit well enough above his 2011 levels that he’ll be able to replicate that value. But hey, keep talking about his RBI.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 7:36 PM

        @ Kevin S – I did not say Ruiz had a bad 2011, not at all. Carlos Ruiz had a great season in 2011, he handles the rotation better then anyone the Phillies have had in memory. I would expect he would do the same this year – with the same top 3 picthers that were there in 2011. And with a bull pen that on paper should be on par with what they had in 2011 (save your blather, I already know you disagree). I said Ruiz did not have a great season at the plate, as was the case with many Phillies that year. Despite the offensive drop off from 2010 (when they were 2nd), they improved and won 5 more games – would have been even more had they not had a mjor hangover after clinching. And that was bease not of there 7th ranked offense, but based on Hallady, Lee and Hamels

        If Halladay, Utley and Howard stay healthy, they should be in the low 90′s win wise. Sorry that upsets you so

  6. unclemosesgreen - Mar 3, 2013 at 1:24 AM

    May the gods bless and watch over the Phans – they love their teams an awful lot.

  7. garryjercia - Mar 3, 2013 at 8:50 AM

    Did Craig help you write this one?

  8. dwdive - Mar 3, 2013 at 9:32 AM

    He’s right, the Phillies will be one of the best teams in baseball this year. They are not built for the long run, but they are built to win this year. Anyone that says they are dead and buried, doesn’t know baseball, or is just trolling. Take a look at the roster, there are still A LOT of good players on it.

  9. officialgame - Mar 3, 2013 at 9:41 AM

    When a team has Doc, Hamels and Lee starting with Adams and Papilbon on the back end your a threat.

  10. spudchukar - Mar 3, 2013 at 1:27 PM

    The truth is the Pheelies are not in the same category as the Braves and Nats. Fortunately, they play in a division with the Mets and Marlins. Even if Utley and Howard regain form they are unlikely to play in more than 120 games each, and their back-ups are weak. Their outfield is atrocious, arguably the least productive in baseball, and the corners are defensive liabilities. With Young at third, Utley at second and Howard at first, they are poor defensively on the infield also.

    Aging Rollins is still solid, but offensively he is regressing, particularly OBP, and is no longer the base stealing threat he once was. Ruiz is a star, but got caught cheating, so he will be watching early, and one wonders if he can match his offensive numbers, juice-free.

    The big Three should be as good if not better than any starting trio in baseball, but the drop-off is now precipitous with Kendrick and Lannan at #4 and #5. The bullpen is solid, best described as very good, but not great.

    But consider this: about 30% of the time, they will sport a line-up of Rollins, Revere, Young, Brown, Young, Ruf, Galvis, Kratz, and pitcher. That puts them in the Marlins/Mets category, offensively, and a leagues worst defense. Good Luck Pheelies, this is what you have to look forward to in 2013, and that is if you stay healthy, which isn’t a particularly wise bet.

    • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

      “But consider this: about 30% of the time, they will sport a line-up of Rollins, Revere, Young, Brown, Young, Ruf, Galvis, Kratz”

      Say what? First of all, Delmon Young may not even play at all – the guy has been hurt. And as of now, it looks like Darrin Ruf will start in the minors. And if he does not, then Freddy Galvis almost certainly will – so how could you have a line up with both? And you are saying that 30% of the Utley AND Howard will be out…..along with Ruiz? (it’s just 25 games, you know)

      I’ll but you a brand new iPad if that starting lineup occurs more then 5 times. You have my word, boomark this link for future reference ;)

    • spudchukar - Mar 3, 2013 at 2:39 PM

      True, Utley and Howard won’t be benched at the same time very often, but that is the only caveat that has merit. And suggesting that Delmon Young would be in the outfield helps the line-up doesn’t hurt it. Plus, if Ruf starts in AAA, then just insert Nix, which is hardly a measurable upgrade. So yeah, the projected line-up was a little hyperbolic, but just barely, and still one of the league’s worst.

      • DelawarePhilliesFan - Mar 3, 2013 at 9:31 PM

        Oh more then a little hyperbole – and I don’t think you did the math on what 30% is. The Phillies had a major, major let down offensively last year – and were still right on the league averages across the board. So to be “one of the worst” this year – they would have to regress quite a bit. Even more of a drop then they had from 2010 to 2012 (and that is a ton!). I am sure that is what you are hoping for though

    • irishphilly87 - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:30 PM

      Not in the same class as the Braves? Im sorry ehat have the braves done the last decade? Whos your starting pitchers?? Are they hamels lee and halladay? You have the lazy Upton brothers omgggggg stop the presses the Upton brothers are going to be amazing!! Give me a break…. bj Upton is a career .240 hitter and cant hit 30 hr’s. why is there so much love for the braves? Great bullpen and thats it.

      • thundercat19 - Mar 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM

        Yeah it’ll be fun to listen to Braves fans when the Uptons, Heyward, and Uggla spend months at a time hitting .225 and striking out at a record pace.

    • dwdive - Mar 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

      Not in the same category? You are a troll at his best. Atlanta did what? Added the Upton brothers and lost a 1st rd pick, 2 of the best prospects, 25mil a yr, Prado, chipper, and they are now in another category? The Upton Brothers strike out 350 times a season combined, BJ hasn;t hit above .246 in 5 yrs, Justin is a .279 career hitter, both average less than 20 HR’s a yr, and less than 85 RBI’s a yr. What the fuck are we talking about?

  11. thesportsguru7 - Mar 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM

    Ryan Howards fielding % the last 3 years…

    2012 – .991
    2011 – .993
    2010 – .990

    His poor fielding is just a myth that people who don’t watch the Phillies like to use.

    • spudchukar - Mar 3, 2013 at 2:42 PM

      He catches what he gets to. That is it, and his range is non-existent. Plus, he looks fatter than ever. I watch plenty of Phillie games, and a statue is a statue, and particularly damaging when your second-baseman’s range has diminished greatly.

  12. irishphilly87 - Mar 3, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    The guy who wrote this is a moron. The Phillies will always contend like the Yankees and Red Sox because we are a top 5 payroll team and always will be. The GM whether ts Amaro or someone else will always have funds. The farm system needs some more players in it but so what. He says that Utley, Doc, Chooch are all going to be FA’s well thsts alot of money cleared. You can either sign one or two of them or use your money and go after Jacoby Elsbury or Robinson Cano next year. There’s no salary cap in baseball and this guy has no idea what the Phillies “budget” is. Lets theoretically say Doc is done and we dong resign him next year… We still have Hamels and Lee. Thats a 1-2 punch id throw up against any other team’s 1-2. “Experts” crack me up, this team had 102 wins the year before last year and last year Doc Utley and howard were all out half a season. Let them show you you’re all wrong this year just like experts are wrong every year about everything.

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